1st June 2011

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by microbe, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. Feb 15, 2011 #81 of 625
    healeydave

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    Its not so much that, its the fact that aside form Sky, Virgin was really the only option for a new partnership that was ever going to be on the table (as a pay-tv service was always going to be absolutely necessary, ruling out FreeView).

    Unfortunately, neglecting to cover one's bases with a country like ours where-by the cable infrastructure is pretty much static as it stands (and has stood still for over a decade) is a little naive. In the USA, all new building developments have cable run is as a standard service along with the sewers, water & electricity etc. These developments often also consist of hundreds of homes at a time. Thats not how we roll in the UK, extending the cable infrastructure on this island is cost prohibitive in the main and explains the last decade of non-expansion.
     
  2. Feb 15, 2011 #82 of 625
    sad_tivo_man

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    Clearly you've never worked for an American company.
     
  3. Feb 15, 2011 #83 of 625
    PhilG

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    Except the "life time" people who would, perhaps rightly, not be happy about paying for a replacement service to the original one that was free

    And perhaps this is part of the problem

    Whatever TIVO inc do, they have to be cognisant of the contract they have with lifetime subs

    So continuing the service "as is" (even reintroducing the monthly sub for non-lifetimers) would be viable

    Introducing a replacement service and expecting everyone to pay might be a legal setp too far
     
  4. Feb 15, 2011 #84 of 625
    healeydave

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    Playing devils advocate here, I've seen some coverage maps in the past that look mighty more impressive than reality. A bit like those wonderful cellular mobile coverage maps we saw by each service provider in the late 90's :)
     
  5. Feb 15, 2011 #85 of 625
    PhilG

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  6. Feb 15, 2011 #86 of 625
    ramtops

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    I suspect this may very well be the case - Virgin would have wanted exclusivity, and it was a way for Tivo to get back into the UK market.

    I'm sure they would have done due diligence on the deal too, but 50% of the Virgin coverage is a damn sight better than 0% of anything else.
     
  7. Feb 15, 2011 #87 of 625
    DB70+

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    But as most lifetimers have had a very good deal for sometime they may prefer to pay for a contracted service if that was the only alternative. I would.
     
  8. Feb 15, 2011 #88 of 625
    taid

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    It's the wishlist that I would miss most .. TiVo's suggestions occasionally throw up something that I've missed,

    Also, the only freexxx box I have had contact with didn't automaticaly delete to make way for new recordings, which was a B******Y pain
     
  9. Feb 15, 2011 #89 of 625
    taid

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    Wouldn't mind paying the phonecall plus a bit

    but it ain't gonna happen .. from June Tivo 1 is dead and beginning to smell
     
  10. Feb 15, 2011 #90 of 625
    dmd

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    I am gutted about all of this.

    Yes I know I have had extremely good value for my lifetime sub, but that's not the issue. I would happily have shelled out another few hundred quid for a series 2, and probably a series 3 too if they had been available here. TiVo could have had a lot more of my money and I would have been happy about that.

    The fact is that the best PVR is being killed. I still absolutely love my TiVo and now feel lost at the prospect of not being able to use it.

    If someone is about to provide a new EPG, then I'll be a customer for sure. I don't want a Toppy, or a Humax, or anything from Sky. I am miles from the nearest VM connection so that's never gonna be an option.

    Still don't understand why TiVo won't provide an untethered new model like the Aussie one.
     
  11. Feb 15, 2011 #91 of 625
    sad_tivo_man

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    Because then maybe no-one would buy the nice 'Shiny Thing' from VM.
     
  12. Feb 15, 2011 #92 of 625
    Glen

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    seeing as they are paying him to use the Virgin name, it could be seen as damaging to the brand
     
  13. Feb 15, 2011 #93 of 625
    dmd

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    So have I.
     
  14. Feb 15, 2011 #94 of 625
    18MM

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    Has any lifetime subscription holder checked the terms and conditions to see whether Tivo can withdraw the service?
     
  15. Feb 15, 2011 #95 of 625
    PhilG

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    Yes - to both questions (unfortunately)
     
  16. Feb 15, 2011 #96 of 625
    kitschcamp

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    The good news is that if you do end up rolling your own, suggestions, wish lists and season passes still work.

    Incredibly annoying. But at least there is time if there is the will to sort something.
     
  17. Feb 15, 2011 #97 of 625
    Teepee

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    It's clearly a case of "if you can't beat it, shut it down". I dare say that has been VM's intention from the start. Let's hope that a new source of guide date is made available soon, along with a modified disc image. Either way, I will not be dealing with VM.
     
  18. Feb 15, 2011 #98 of 625
    VirginMediaPhil

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  19. Feb 15, 2011 #99 of 625
    sad_tivo_man

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    Well, bully for you.
     
  20. ALanJay

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    I have a Panasonic Freesat PVR and frankly its user interface is crap - slow and unwieldily it makes Sky+ look fantastic.

    It is a real shame that TiVo have taken this attitude as the EPG data in TiVo format will still be around for the new VM machines it seems unproductive that it can't be collected (at a cost if there is) by people who can't upgrade because they aren't in a Virgin Media Cable area.

    I'm sure many if not most of the people in Virgin Media areas will upgrade but then again I think Virgin Media missed a trick in not making the box work as a digital terrestrial box and IPTV box as well as the primary cable solution.

    But it is surely big company politics getting in the way of sensible policies.
     

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