1st June 2011

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by microbe, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    TMS really have a monopoly on a gold mine, don't they?
     
  2. sjp

    sjp Active Member

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    possibly not "out of court" in the strictest meaining but housebuilders Wimpy did bottle out of a claim I had against them a few days before the court case was due to be heard.
     
  3. martink0646

    martink0646 New Member

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    Thanks for putting me straight. That still leaves Steve to answer the question about how much he feels the claim is worth to him (although he understandably may not post that if he feels it is giving away the info too early).

    I hope he succeeds because I always like to see the little guy win. Not that I believe TiVo/Virgin are guilty of anything other than standard business practice. I just like the little guy/underdog to win, I am a Brit after all:D

    Martin
     
  4. Steve_K

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    IF IF IF I went for a claim and IF I went for small claims court I'd claim for £100

    Couldn't be @rsed really were it not for TiVo just getting away with it and sending me repeat wind up messages

    IF my plan of buying lottery tickets in increasing numbers each time I get that system message yields a jackpot (yeah as if) then I'll claim the full £598 + costs and go for an injunction
     
  5. Pete77

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    I just came across this little story dated 6th January 2011 showing that Tribune Media Service has been given a contract to provide the Metadata for the new Virgin UK Tivo. This is even though I have seen posts elsewhere claiming that Virgin will be manipulating all of its EPG data in house.

    Given that Virgin's channel package also contains all the main Sky channels and that the S1 EPG merely involves alternate channel number mappings for other tv platforms (which TMS clearly holds for other clients) this does leave me wondering whether or not for those of us who get hold of our Tivo data via network card over the internet an EPG service may not still turn out to be available after June 1st as the relevant Metadata will surely still be passed from TMS to Tivo and then processed and made available on Tivo's servers.

    See www.broadbandtvnews.com/2011/01/06/tribune-to-send-data-to-virgin’s-tivo/

     
  6. TCM2007

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    Old post, surprised you missed it.

    I'd say it suggests the very opposite of what you take from it. The EPG is bought by Virgin from Tribune, so it's not TiVo's to give to us even if they wanted to.
     
  7. Pete77

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    However I have seen various other posts on this forum that have suggested Virgin produced its own EPG data for its Tivo and that it has nothing to do with Tribune Media Services.

    However Virgin Media's use of TMS data is also confirmed by a more recent post by an alleged Virgin Media staff member at http://community.virginmedia.com/t5...ave-the-guide-filters-back/td-p/393197/page/2

    My point is that since Virgin Media will still be supplying UK EPG data to Tivo it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that an updated EPG feed will still be available for those of us collecting it directly via a network card without using the 0808 dial up number. Also if Tribune is still supplying UK EPG data then how much can Tivo be saving by not maintaining the rights to broadcast the processed data to the Tivo S1 users. So there can be no explanation in relation to the S1 users being cut off for EPG servicing other than Virgin Media's curmudgeonly insistence on a complete UK Tivo exclusive even in respect of very old Tivo machines no longer available for sale.:eek::mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
     
  8. TCM2007

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kübler-Ross_model

    Try to get beyond "denial".

    However much Tribune charged them for it, plus the cost of the freephone calls. Not zero.

    For someone with a good education, your basic logic skills are poor.
     
  9. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    Just been browsing the area on the AltEPG and an interesting question...

    Come June 1st when your box tries for a download will it get the "Account Closed" status set?

    If it does, it will record no more from that point....

    Or will the calls just fail or something else?

    Place your bets :)

    Countdown To End Of UK Tivo Service

    Automan.
     
  10. spitfires

    spitfires wassock

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    I'm going with "Account Closed" = brick :(

    (Mind you I'm unplugging it from the network/dial-up on the 31st just in case so I won't actually know the answer!)
     
  11. Pete77

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    So far as I am aware an Account Closed Tivo can still dial the Tivo server to check its status (since its account can be opened again by paying Tivo a subscription) but it checks less often than a Tivo with a Status 4 or 5 Account. However it can be still forced manually to connect to make a call at any time.

    With that being so surely the AltEPG's servers will have the intelligence to change the status of an Account Closed S1 Tivo box that contacts them to either Status 4 or 5?

    Or is there some good reason why the AltEPG can't emulate this part of the daily call process to Tivo's servers? Speaking of which will the AltEPG update the Tivo's clock to the correct time each time it dials up as Tivo's servers have always doen?
     
  12. TCM2007

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    Clock - yes.

    Status - I'm sure that will be fine.

    I'd like to think that TiVo would set everyone to lifetime and download some dummy guide data for 2020 so the no data nag screen doesn't appear. But they probably won't.
     
  13. spitfires

    spitfires wassock

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    ^ yes that would be a nice gesture on their part wouldn't it.
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  14. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    If it goes to Account Closed all the EPG and everything vanishes.

    I found this out when I was trying to use the ALTEpg and had no active account.

    It needs another successful main call (not test call) to reinstate all Tivo's functions.

    I guess much the same as it would do to monthly customers who stopped paying their bill.

    Automan.
     
  15. unitron

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    Discontinuing the service is one thing, deliberately bricking it on the way out the door is quite something else and may be actionable legally.
     
  16. Furball

    Furball Totally TiVo

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    Not sure if its been mentioned yet or not but our dial up TiVo has got guide data well past the 1st of June currently :confused:

    It starts to get flakey from the 10th June but thats like 2 1/2 weeks into the future and thats fairly normal, so it looks like I'll have a good two weeks - three weeks of guide data as long as it doesnt get bricked

    Has anyone rang and asked TiVo what they will do ?? rather than just speculate lets get it from the horses mouth eh :up: where's TiVopony etc

    Furball
     
  17. AMc

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    Good question, they binned their phone support a few months ago - bskyb-support@tivo.com is the email address to use.

    I've just sent this

    And got the standard auto response - lets see if there is anything else on Wednesday.
     
  18. Pete77

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    I think TivoPony and TivoJerry etc must have all received communications from a certain Mr Joshua Danovitz telling them that in no circumstances are they to comment in the forums on this matter.

    Ever since the announcement to terminate the service was made Mr in February Mr Danovitz has made just one flowery Tivo blog post (see http://blog.tivo.com/2011/02/1123/#comments) saying how Tivo was going to ensure Virgin reached out to us over the new service only to then runaway and hide and refuse to respond to any further emails to him on the subject.

    Their combined corporate discourtesy in not having a standard polite response to send back to anyone who emails Tivo senior staff about this issue has been quite astounding.

    But then of course Americans tend to only do positivity well and often tend to run away from the truth when it is nasty or negative.
     
  19. Trinitron

    Trinitron New Member

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    No xenophobia in that statement, eh! I wonder what impression the "Americans" get of Brits from reading your posts?

    (You do know this is an American-run web forum? )
     
  20. healeydave

    healeydave from tivoland.com

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    Yes, but frustratingly, under NDA, I can't comment which is really annoying since some of the info I was given, I believe would benefit both Tivo and the end users. :confused:
     

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