1st June 2011

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by microbe, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. May 9, 2011 #501 of 625
    TCM2007

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    Lots of quibbling over semantics. At launch the AltEPG will simply replace the current TiVo one for UK S1 devices. It may or may not support a manned mission to Mars at some later point.
     
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    healeydave

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    Love it, the first thing thats made me smile today!
     
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    sjp

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    now there's a beta test the wife would support, for me of course :)
     
  4. May 9, 2011 #504 of 625
    CarlWalters

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    Where do I register for the Mars Mission? :)

    (struggling through Red Mars/BlueMars/Green Mars at the moment)
     
  5. May 9, 2011 #505 of 625
    irrelevant

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    Nothing. But in #484, by using the word "only" you also specified what people will NOT get. It was a categorical statement, and it is that which got peoples backs up, as you are not in a position to state such things.
    Anyway, I'm not going to argue any further. I have much more enjoyable things to do.
     
  6. May 9, 2011 #506 of 625
    Pete77

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    In my experience that is the normal consequence of pouring large amounts of liquid fuel on something before stepping back and tossing a match on it.

    I have found all of irrelevant's posts on this topic to be perfectly helpful whereas I unfortunately cannot always say the same for your own at times distinctly caustic literary style.

    It is the nature of this project that it is bound to be a little amateur since no business angle is involved (no one is going to get any money out of all the hard work they are doing) and in the nature of things volunteers can complete tasks when it pleases them within reason.

    I view it as entirely possible that there could well be a short term break in EPG service after June 1st but if Tivo really do cut us off on that date (I see a last minute extension of 3 to 6 months in service as being far from impossible given that Virgin have not yet upgraded all Tivo S1 customers who want to be upgraded) then that fact will I am sure spur people in to Herculean final efforts to get a new EPG service going pretty quickly.
     
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    spitfires

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    Thank you - I really value your support.
     
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    Pete77

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    I'm sure we shouldn't all disagree like this when ultimately we are all on the same side (wanting to keep our S1 Tivos going) but as the 30th June deadline approaches people are bound to become a little more worried and stressed.

    Also mikerr's mysterious disappearance from involvement in the project seems rather discouraging but I suspect happened at the point when he realised that people wouldn't be forced to replace their hard drive with one prepared by him or Dave in order to go on receiving S1 service.

    And of course he now has a Virgin Media Tivo as his own main means of recording tv programs........
     
  9. mikerr

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    More the issues of my lack of time due to work commitments and development going private when the OzTivo folk allowed use of their server & emulator code. While I did make a start with a direct epg slice loading system, the emulator is the better way to go, and there's no need for two competing systems.

    They've done a sterling job, and everyone should be grateful to have any service after June 1st.
     
  10. healeydave

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    Thanks Mike.

    Being a VM customer, can you advise if the Series 1 Remote works with the new VM box.
    My gut feeling is TiVo might have kept the frequencies compatible but like the USA black remotes, there are probably buttons missing etc!?

    I had someone ask and I have no idea and no means of finding out :(
     
  11. mikerr

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    No - it uses the exact same codes as the V+ remote (to the extent a V+ remote will control a VM TiVo).

    It does mean you can have S1 TiVo and VM TiVo in the same room without interference.
     
  12. Pete77

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    So no chance for any Virgin Tivo owner to replace their remote with a nasty Home button with one with a nice Tivo Guy on it then?

    Short that is of pulling off buttons on the remote and trying to use Superglu?

    So far as the AltEPG project is concerned I'm just hoping that the fact that it has been done before makes it all as straightforward a task as it appears to be compared to designing something from the Ground Up as you clearly started to try to do at one stage. The only thing that worries me is that none of those other places previously had a full Tivo service so were probably more inclined to put up with any deficiencies or omissions in their home grown service compared to the full OEM Tivo EPG product. Whereas we having had the full blown product might find some of those omissions in the replacement data feed rather more frustrating.
     
  13. mikerr

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    You might be able to get a TiVo Glo-remote to work with it, as that can learn IR codes on a key by key basis - it would be very laborious though, doing that for all the buttons!
     
  14. RichardJH

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    I have VM Tivo and 2 S1 Tivos. Have just played around with all the remotes and they do not interact with each other.
    From previous experience all the VM equipment has used a lot of common IR codes. EG the standard STB remote and the V+ remote do operate some functions on the VM Tivo, also the VM remote has no switching facility to allow 2 units to be used in the same room.

    Hope this helps

    Richard
     
  15. TCM2007

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    What omissions might those be, o miserable one?
     
  16. Pete77

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    Well most critical would be series linking and a series link continuing on from one series to the next as it does at present. Having said that given the number of +1 channels on non Beeb stations I have been giving serious thought for some time to replacing a lot of my Series Links on non Beeb stations with Title Wishlists. The only issue there is series where one watches their very latest episodes on one channel but another channel shows episodes you have already seen a year or two earlier. Of course I know First Run only is meant to solve all that but in practice it brings its own reliability issues.

    The Series Links must surely be coded in by some kind of Metadata that Tribune does work on and as everyone else including Sky does Series Links less well than Tivo/Tribune I can only presume that a fair bit of manual intervention in the data is involved. Of course it may be that in practice that crowd sourcing techniques proposed by the AltEPG service will cause us to spot those broken links and fix them before the program airs.

    I'm not trying to be miserable but just realistic as the greatest enthusiasts on a project will always talk up a storm that we can do it better than lousy old Tribune and Tivo only to find when it comes right down to it that Tribune and Tivo were not doing such a bad job because getting this kind of data right 100% of the time is actually quite difficult to do. If that wasn't true one wouldn't in fact find customers missing recording on things they think they have Series Links or the start or end of programs for on almost every type of PVR currently in the marketplace.

    However I do definitely expect some improvements by the AltEPG project such as random relatively mainstream Freesat channels like CBS Drama that Tribune lacks EPG data for having it provided for the first time.
     
  17. Steve_K

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    FWIW I'll be very grateful for ANY functionality the AltEPG guys come up with.

    Yes there are loads of things we might wish for Pete but as the phrase goes "the best is the enemy of the good". I'll settle for good.
     
  18. Pete77

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    And/or "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" as may be more apt in this particular case.

    However the only thing that is worth pointing out is that aside from a certain economy of the pocket and an allergy to change for the sake of it the reason many of us have kept our S1 Tivos going is because so long as you are prepared to put up without HD recording and suffer the occasional recording clash (now a very trivial problem compared to eight or nine years ago with all the +1 options for non BBC stations for those us with Freesat or ex subscription Sky boxes) our Tivos still have superior functionality (including far superior manipulation of playback and Suggestions) to any other PVR in the marketplace.

    However if whilst the AltEPG project just about worked service was a little wobbly and unreliable compared to what we have now it might be the tipping point for quite a few people (myself included) to more actively consider alternative options. I do however have every possible admiration for the guys who are going to all the trouble to offer us a replacement EPG and I do hope that this will mean I can keep my S1 Tivo going for a long time to come.
     
  19. TCM2007

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    Pete, why don't you give AltEPG the benefit of the doubt rather than just assuming it will have all these issues? You have NO knowledge whatsoever about what the EPG and its metadata will be like, and speading unfounded rumours that it will not work properly helps no-one.
     
  20. Pete77

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    I'm not suggesting that those working on the AltEPG project won't be approaching things professionally but I would imagine there is a good deal of specialist knowledge at Tribune involved in manipulating the Metadata to properly support Season Passes and keyword matches and genre matches etc and matching that completely will be quite difficult. However I am sure if it is not fully possible it won't be for the want of trying.

    However in Australia, Canada, NZ, SA or Holland it was a choice between a Tivo that largely worked and no Tivo at all compared to here where we have had a fully working Tivo up to now so that does mean that expectations about what the AltEPG ought to be able to do will undoubtedly be higher than in any of those countries.

    Of course its worth making the effort to try to get a replacement service going and undoubtedly the AltEPG service will get better over time as those running it move up the Learning Curve but I think it would be wrong to give people the impression that there will be completely smooth sailing for the first few weeks compared to what people are currently used to.
     

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