1st June 2011

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by microbe, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

    Jun 2, 2005
    Lancashire, UK


    Not just PVRs though - the entire userbase including non-PVR boxes will be running TiVo software eventually.
    That's a big score for TiVo.
  2. taid

    taid New Member

    Oct 19, 2008
    Unfortunately that is 100% true ..

    but there wouldn't be so many gripes if an equivalent were available .. but there isn't

    what annoys me most is that I will now have to lash out a couple of hundred quid and buy another box which will not give me what I had with TiVo ..

    unless the TiVo concept was heavily patented, I do not understand why other manufacturers have continued to produce boxes whose functions are so basic when compared to TiVo
  3. swuk

    swuk New Member

    Jan 19, 2004

    I'm disappointed, but knew it wouldn't last forever. Heck, I've been expecting the PSU to go at any time.

    I didn't realise the VM deal meant having the XL TV package. So they can shove that one where the sun doesn't shine.

    I'll be looking into alternative arrangements with the S1 box if possible.
  4. TCM2007

    TCM2007 New Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    Sky excepted, it's the business model. Humax or whoever make all their money on the initial transaction and then that's it. They therefore don't have the resources to build something like TiVo, which requires custom EPG data and an ongoing revenue stream to fund it.

    I have high hopes of YouView, but it won't ship until next year.
  5. ALanJay

    ALanJay New Member

    Jun 14, 2000


    I think TiVo have been amazing continuing to support the service and keep the EPG running.

    What I think many of us feel is that it is being discontinued for marketing reasons rather than cost reasons. A new owner has been handed the whole thing and has said its not part of our plan get rid of it.

    It is a shame and it will lead people to do what was done in Australia for some time before they entered the market there so I'm not sure how making the community manage an EPG helps them or their goals when it is considered something across that line of acceptability that we all try to follow and behave.

    Overall this is a very sad time but my Son will just have to get used to using Sky+ (though I'm not keen on the extra management it will involve from my side).

    I wonder if the comments will create any response at all or will we be left with a great silence.
  6. regdor

    regdor New Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    I agree TCM2007, from a business point of view the few Tivo owners left are of no concern to Virgin Media and we have have had a good run in this fast moving age. However they pay Marketing Directors lots of money to protect their brand. VM should have been more up-front and just said sorry to those of us abandoned with no VM solution on offer. We are not stupid, most of understand basic economics, be honest with your customers and don't put up messages about "the VM new box" as if it makes everything OK. Some people are very angry and in this internet age can make lots of noise way beyond the true scale of the problem. VM marketing have not handled this well.
    I happen to use Virgin as my mobile phone carrier and they market to their, mainly, very young audience, i find it hilarious as of course as i am very old. Perhaps its the same team is managing this Tivo thing!
  7. TCM2007

    TCM2007 New Member

    Dec 25, 2006
    There's probably a disconnect between TiVo and VM here. People are tending to talk about them interchangeably, but of course they are not.
  8. merlin

    merlin New Member

    Jul 22, 2002
    This is very disappointing news indeed... and I was just about to sell one of my lifetime TiVo's as well ;-)

    Surely, there must be a way of downloading the EPG from somewhere else?

    I had the new TiVo from Virgin installed yesterday, but to be honest I still prefer my old S1... the new TiVo is a little too red for me and at the moment its not very flexible what we can do with it!

    What I really mean is that I can no longer telnet to this new TiVo and change anything I want!
  9. Davyburns

    Davyburns New Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    North East...
    We all knew it was going to end someday, and I looked forward to the replacement, but even at a reduced price to "buy" it when it will always belong to them, and an extra £20 a month to upgrade to chanels I dont want is way over the top. No thank you VM

    Will there ever be a chance to purchase them outright from a 3rd Party?
  10. dmd

    dmd Apprentice hacker

    Dec 31, 2001
    In the...
    Does anyone know much about the new box? Will it only record from cable or can it be used for other things in the same way that the S1 TiVo can? Is there a way it could be used without a cable TV connection?
  11. steveroe

    steveroe Must do some work...

    Oct 29, 2002
    Oxford, UK
    It can only be used with Virgin cable
  12. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

    Jun 2, 2005
    Lancashire, UK
    The VM Tivo is cable only - it can't record from any external input.

    As for price, remember the original price of TiVo was £400 (or £600 inc lifetime sub...)
  13. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

    Oct 29, 2000
  14. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

    Jun 2, 2005
    Lancashire, UK
  15. scoopuk

    scoopuk TiVo from week 1

    Mar 7, 2001
    London N7
    Carl please stop being so defensive on here - we know you are a confident advocate of Virgin's wares - and indeed previously Telewest's. You are an important and highly respected member of the Tivo community in the UK but I seriously think you've misjudged the anger and upset this decision has made.

    You jumped on my post to claim it was inaccurate. Well I was directly quoting Joshua Danovitz - who runs "the TiVo International business". His blog reply to our complaints says this: "While we do understand that Virgin Media doesnÂ’t service all of the UK we are confident that a great majority of customers will have access to the new solution and we encourage all Series1 users to investigate the potential to upgrade."

    It's HIS words which are inaccurate - which is the point I was making.

    TiVo at the highest levels simply doesn't realise that cable in the UK is, for many of us, an impossible substitute for what we have now - and they're just dropping us for no good reason.
  16. healeydave

    healeydave from tivoland.com

    Jun 4, 2003
    I think what narks many off, is TiVo EPG servers are in the USA and they are going no-where. They will be continue to be used to supply guide data to USA S1, S2, S3 units etc.
    I believe they will be suppling guide data to the UK VM box too.

    We all appreciate the technical support for PVR10UK boxes via the Sky call centre had to end and are quite happy to handle it ourselves, that's a given, we've been doing it for years already.
    I'm not sure how much cost involvement would be attributed to continuing to supply UK S1 boxes, hell, if it helped, I think most people would have been happy for the DUN POP number to go to curb all costs this side of the pond, if it helped keep the guide available, all-be-it only though a Cache/Turbonet card!
  17. Bluefastcar

    Bluefastcar New Member

    Nov 3, 2004
    Totally agree.
  18. irrelevant

    irrelevant Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Salford, UK
    Or change the number to a Geographic or UK-Wide number - no running costs for them, and many users would still get the calls free anyway, especially if they can be kept off-peak.
  19. Millimole

    Millimole New Member

    May 29, 2003
    Exactly - and that's why those that are disgruntled need to let both Tivo and Virgin know how this will affect their separate brand images. Tivo need to know this may affect their brand in the UK and that the reputation if Virgin isn't maybe what Tivo-US think it might be. Virgin need to realise that this could damage their already tarnished reputation further.
  20. telajayra

    telajayra TeLaJayRa

    Feb 24, 2006
    VM have just contacted me to offer an extra special on the new Tivo.
    I currently pay £27 for TV, Phone & Broadband.
    & the Extra special deal is..........
    PAY £149 for the new box & then £63 for life.
    I've told them to cancel the lot, I'd rather go to Sky.
    Some Special Deal!

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