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Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by tivoknucklehead, Apr 1, 2017.
There are age limits for beer and cigarettes too. Certainly no kids partake in that.
Rich parents, no real evidence, Hannah never said "no".
He'll walk. I don't think his admittance on tape holds us at all.
There were a few things that point to a Season 2 in my mind.
1. Camera-boy with the gun
2. Camera-boy taking down Alex's photo in his darkroom towards the very end of the series
3. Report by Principal that Alex was shot in the head - specially not mentioned as a suicide
Now I do know Camera-boy seemingly liked Alex for sticking up with him in the hallway when Montgomery was bullying him. But Alex did end that sequence with a very mean, rude comment to Camera-boy. I think there's something going on. Perhaps Camera-boy didn't pull the trigger, perhaps he bought the gun for Alex. Or someone else.
... and IMHO, Sheri and others deserve little to no blame either. I mean if Sheri had reported the sign, I am not even sure it would have been fixed that night. Alex could have easily still blazed through the intersection.
Clay did nothing wrong.
And the whole Hannah "I wish he came after me." "I wish he had stopped me". "I wish ..." was not something I'm hugely sympathetic too.
They were told there were other copies. Destroying the tapes would have done little. Everyone was going to hear them.
IMO Tony was chosen because he'd honor Hannah's wishes and everyone would get the tapes. She was right, he did his job well.
I am stunned that at least one of the good kids that did little wrong (Clay, Sheri, Alex, The Poet Publisher) didn't immediately give the tapes to their parents or the school/lawyers. But teens don't always think straight.
That goes with my line about secrets. They all seemed hell bent on keeping the secret and of course nobody could talk about it just listen. Maybe I miss heard it but didn't Clay say at the end something about the originals of the tapes. Forensic people can usually tell if a tape is an original or a copy which is the only reason I can think of for that statement.
Yeah, I suppose we all need to chalk it up as "teenagers made bad choices".
I binged on this show over the last three nights. It was tough to watch at times and yet I could not stop watching. I had tears in my eyes more than a few times. I cringed at one scene and basically covered my eyes in a few spots that were just too brutal to watch because I cared so much about the two main characters.
The actors who played Clay and Hannah definitely should get nominations for some awards.
Just a heartbreaking show.
There is a companion show called "13 Reasons Why: Behind the Reasons" that I highly recommend everyone watch after they watch the 13 shows...
The cast, writers, and producers discuss how important the show is and how to start a conversation with loved ones.
As someone who had a tough time in high school and college and often felt so horribly, crushingly alone, this show resonated with me. Hard to watch, but important.
This show is still sticking with me. Normally I binge on a show, think "that was pretty good", and move on to the next one forgetting all about the last one. But this one rattled me to the core. I still think about it when my mind wanders and it still makes me choke up when I do.
I had a terrible childhood. I was bullied by my peers, abused by my Step Father, and was homeless for several years. And through all of that I never once considered taking my own life. Not even a passing thought. So it scares, and confuses, me that a child with so much to live for could see that as a viable option.
I'm one of those abnormal kids who liked highschool. I didn't love it, and had times when I didn't have friends to eat lunch with and times I was definitely on the outside. But in general I enjoyed highschool and studying and extra-curricular activities. I liked my teachers and generally enjoyed going to school.
So many of the themes are known to me, but very, very foreign.
I thought that she made it clear on the tape that he did not really deserve to be categorized with the others and she said that it was not him, that it was her issue and that she thought he deserved better. She was just broken by that point.
Her admittance of that at the end of that tape was one of the things that really tore me up. I also about lost it when Clay flat out asked Tony if it was his fault and Tony said yes. It was obvious that was going to be the answer but it still hurt to hear it.
I thought Tony's answer on that was wrong.
In retrospect, it was harsh and misleading but as Clay said at the end, they were all responsible.
I am so sorry to hear this-my heart breaks for you. You must be such a strong person to never consider suicide.
It was so interesting to me how they showed other kids with such horrible home lives-abuse, poverty, which led some to drug/alcohol abuse-
It could have been any of those kids who killed themselves-
But it was Hannah, who had a stable home life-two loving parents-sure, they argued about finances, but they weren't destitute-and had a bright future...
I can't imagine what life is like for kids today with all the bullying on social media.
Can you tell this really resonated with me?
This show is the modern day "After School Special" drawn out to 13 episodes. I am not through it yet but got to the second crime, I will call it. I am enjoying it but am not totally sympathetic with Hannah. She has more going for her than many kids in school. Yes she appears to be the Forrest Gump of high school where everything that goes on is somehow connected to her. Of course the story is told through her so it is all from her perspective. Some of the major plot points were telegraphed and the overall plot is not that believable. Keeping the tapes a secret seems unlikely. Why wouldn't Hannah leave one for her parents? I also don't see what case the parents have against the school, but I didn't see the end so maybe she does it there. Actually she must I suppose to even think the school is responsible.
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I haven't watched this yet, or even heard of it until yesterday, but now I want to.
Yesterday our local school system sent out a warning that the National Association of School Psychologists does not recommend that vulnerable youth watch this series.
I agree. But teens should with their parent(s).
That should send every kid running to watch this if they haven't already.
Wow. That was quite a show.
My 13yo read the book a while ago and said she didn't want to watch the show, that she thought it would be too much for her. After finishing it I absolutely agree. The
rapes & suicide
scenes really stick with you.
I started the book when I was about half way through the show and there were spoilers in the prologue. I shut it quick and am reading it now that I'm done with the show. I'd probably feel differently if I'd read the book first but I think the writing is better on the show.
There's a lot of buzz about this getting a second season. Based on the strength of the writing in this season I'm all for it. Obviously they left the door wide open with
plus you could look at the events of the last year through any of the other characters' perspective. The format is so flashback-heavy it would be easy to integrate Hannah. Having her as narrator would be trickier, though. I think they could pull off another character narrating and being the central point.
So far Hannah's parents aren't in the book. To me they were the most compelling part, obviously because as the parent of a teen I relate. To me the show is a perfect PSA for NOT killing yourself because you see how it destroys the people who love you (Clay, her parents) but I get that to a teen they're seeing how it destroys the people who hurt her so it's practically pro-suicide.
Speaking of Hannah's parents:
It broke my heart when Hannah asked to move and her parents blew her off. Not because they did anything wrong in that moment, they had no reason to believe it was anything more serious than typical teen drama, but knowing that they'll replay that scene and blame themselves, thinking that if they had just listened she'd still be with them. That, and when she tried to get them to talk her out of going to the party. They won't know until they listen to the recordings what a difference that could have made.
It killed me when Hannah tried to confess to Clay about Jeff and he turned her away. That's gonna haunt him.
Man, Clay had it rough. He did everything right. He tried so hard to get through to her but he's always going to blame himself for not doing even more, even though it probably wouldn't have made a difference.
Episode 13, I think:
Her story was just devastating. I didn't realize until near the end that she was raped in her own bed. She spiraled nearly as far as Hannah. The talk with her dad at the end was amazing. It was so nice to see someone trust an adult for a change.
(If anyone wants to start a spoilers-allowed thread for full discussion I'm game.)