10TB Bolt?

Discussion in 'TiVo Upgrade Center' started by tommage1, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. enyce9

    enyce9 New Member

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    Why the need for the external power supply?

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  2. angra

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    3.5" drives won't fit inside a bolt, so must be connected via cables to the internal SATA port. I suspect that the Bolt does not supply 12v power as most 2.5" drives do not require it.

    I also have a 12TB drive available for testing, but if I read everything correctly, there is no current hypothesis for a working 12TB method, right?
     
  3. jmbach

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    There is a way to get 12 TB to work as an internal drive in theory. Depends if we get the 10 TB to work.

    And the Bolt does not supply enough amperage for the drive to spin up reliably.
     
  4. angra

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    I'm happy to delay pressing the bolt into full time service if there is a way that I can help the cause by doing so. I don't plan to dedicate the 12 TB permanently to the Tivo, but I can use it for testing for a while without trouble.
     
  5. jmbach

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    Do you have access to a 6 TB or 8TB drive? If so I would use it to create a MFSR image on the drive and boot it in the Bolt. Once that is done, you can then follow the 10 TB Roamio thread starting at the mfsadd step.
     
  6. angra

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    I do not currently have a 6 or 8 on hand, but I could get one if it would help with testing. also PM coming.
     
  7. tommage1

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

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    If you try this I would be interested in knowing what happens when you pull the drive after formatting in the Bolt and try MFSR. I tried with a 4TB, got "Apple partition errors" when running MFSR. Maybe a problem with my MFSR, if yours works fine with 6 or 8TB (or even 4TB if you want to give that a try now), let me know, thanks.

    Note, when I did all this with Roamios it worked fine, just not with this new Bolt.
     
  8. tommage1

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    If you have not used MFSR, I think the procedure is like this. Put the 4TB (or 6 or 8) in the Bolt. Let it format. It will get to the guided setup screen eventually. At that point pull it, put it in the computer and run MFSR. The put it back and you should have full capacity (up to 8TB). If you get the same error as me (while trying to run MFSR in the computer), Apple partition error, then probably a Bolt specific problem as it has worked fine for me in Roamios (running TE3).
     
  9. angra

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    if I understand it, the experiment you'd like me to try is:

    * Put fresh 6/8TB in Bolt (TE3 OK?), let Bolt format
    * MFSR

    Then what? That sounds like my understanding of the standard process for a <=8TB drive. Are we just attempting to verify that the standard process has not been borked in some way by the newest round of Bolts?
     
  10. tommage1

    tommage1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, though I'd try it with TE4. Correct about "borking" though my process in the past was with Roamios on TE3, MFSR worked with no issues, 4-8TB. With my current Bolt (on TE4) just putting in a fresh 4TB then trying to run MFSR on it came up with the Apple partition errors. Also when I was trying to do copies with MFST 3.3 I was getting boot sector errors. Could fix that with bootsectorfix but then other problems started. For now I would like to see what happens for you, on TE4, 4,6, or 8TB, clean drives, formatted in Bolt, then trying MFSR. Maybe my MFSR is corrupted but it is the same one I ran on a fresh 8TB in the Roamio, on TE3 however.

    You mentioned you could get 6,8TB drives to try, was not sure how long that would take which is why I mentioned the test with 4TB would be fine if you have one actually in hand.
     
  11. tommage1

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    Sometime last year a TE4 software update "broke" a lot of upgraded drive Bolts, different model drives. You could probably find the thread if you search. I'm guessing at least some of the 4TB and up upgraded drives that broke may have been created with MFSR. And now since I get an Apple partition error with MFSR on a simple 4TB drive maybe the TE4 software update did break something. I did not have a Bolt at the time (I like Roamios) so could not test anything but kept note of the problem. The $280 lifetime Bolt was too good a deal to pass up so I got one to experiment with. I was going to put in a 10TB on TE4 but have run into loads of issues (am working on another solution right now, have high hopes but we shall see). That solution does not use MFSR at all though so am still very interested in this test.
     
  12. angra

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    Got it - no criticism intended just making sure I understood as well as possible the specific test(s) to be run.

    It'll be a day or two before I get my test rig set up. I'm going to dedicate a little corner of my workspace to work on this stuff. As a user, I have approximately 0.0 interest units in TE4, so I'm likely to be a little bit biased toward TE3 tests. But I am very interested in helping base of community knowledge to grow, particularly as I think there will an influx of new Bolt users from this deal.
     
  13. tommage1

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    Haha, me too, I'm perfectly happy with my Roamios and will run them with TE3 until Tivo stops supporting it or when the boxes become obsolete (IPTV, ATSC 3.0 etc). This is just a fun project to see if I can get TE4 with a large drive working on a Bolt AND have it survive software updates. Once the test is done I'll probably go back to TE3 on the Bolt or sell it, Bolts are not great to work on, TE3 or TE4. And as for me getting TE4 to work with large drives, I'm just a "tester", the real heroes if we getting it working are the programmers of MFST and MFSR.
     
  14. jmbach

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    Well a 10 TB internal Bolt drive is possible. Just not easy at this point. mfsadd needs to be fixed to be able to add partitions to the Bolt. This was done with manual hex edits to the APM to add the needed partitions that then were incorporated to the MFS with MFSTools.


    10 TB bolt 0.jpg
     
  15. enyce9

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    Wow nice work.

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  16. jmbach

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    With the help of angra we may have resolved the mfsadd issue with the Bolts. Will be doing more testing to make sure it has not caused other issues before posting a new ISO.
     
  17. Henryr

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    All my parts and pieces came in today...FedEx, UPS and USPS all within a few hours. :)
    On hand I have a new Bolt 6t 1Tb from TiVo, a new WD Red 10Tb 3.5 drive and cables.
    Found out the hard way that MFSTools doesn't support 10Tb yet. I kept getting the "5 media regions, which isn't supported at this time" error. Gave up and went to the TC.

    I've formatted the WD Red with Data Lifeguard till I'm blue in the face. I do NOT have any 6 or 8 Tb's laying around. I have a few WD Red 4Tb's that can be pressed into service. At this point I'm at a stand still. How can I help the cause?
     
  18. jmbach

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    So what are you wanting to do specifically. Do you have shows from the 1 TB that you would like save when you expand? Is everything blank and all you want to do is create a new empty drive?
     
  19. Henryr

    Henryr New Member

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    Everything blank. New drive, new TiVo.
    Just trying to get close to 10Tb storage. :)

    Bob...

     
  20. jmbach

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    You have 2 choices. One is to use one of you 4 TB drives and make an image using MFSR. The take that image and copy it over to the 10 TB drive using dd in Linux or a cloning dock. Then setup that drive completely and wait for the newer revision of MFSTools to be posted (hopefully this weekend if I get time) to start adding recording space.

    Other option is to setup the 1TB drive in the Bolt completely then use MFSTools to copy it over to the 10 TB drive using the command mfscopy -m 2000 <source> <target>. Then wait for the newer revision of MFSTools to be posted to finish adding recording space.
     

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