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TiVo Stream 4k is NOW AVAILABLE

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#326 ·
Yes a projector is dim in a bright room. You have always needed a light controlled environment with a projector.
Yes brightness can be tamed. But the picture is calibrated for actual HDr content, not fake HDr and menus. The menus are easily too bright for me but the fake HDR from SDr content is even brighter. If I were to calibrate for how the fake HDR looks, then real HDR would be way off. Which is why TVs are calibrated for SDr, HDr10, and DOlby Vision. Since the settings are going to be different for each content.
 
#335 ·
I got my Stream yesterday, and for me it's unusable on our new OLED (LG CX). I switched between DV and the other HDR mode, but menus and SDR content looks awful. It's way too bright and washed out. I could adjust my HDR picture settings to make it look better, but then any real HDR content would look awful. I'm tossing it in a drawer for now in the hopes that Tivo fixes it, but I won't hold my breath.
 
#343 ·
Have you watched any actual Dolby Vision content? If I adjust the picture settings to make SDR content look okay, then actual DV content looks terrible. I'm not willing to mess around in video settings every time I want to watch DV content. Again it's great that you like the way it looks, but for an awful lot of people it's a dealbreaker as I'm sure you've seen by all the complaints on this board and elsewhere. I'm not sending mine back in the hopes that Tivo fixes it, but it won't be connected to my TV again unless a firmware update is released.
 
#345 ·
I use my calibrated DV input on my OLED that I've used in the past to watch DV content like Lost in Space, See, The Morning Show, etc. Now I watched many channels from Channels DVR and they've appeared normal and actually look better than when I watch it in SDR.

I don't normally watch DV content in my living room though now. I now watch it in my theater on my projector now that I've tried the new Dolby Vision LLDV trick I've been reading about the last few weeks. It also looks much better there now too.

All I am saying is, even if you have to tweak the contrast a little or whatever, once you see what Dolby Vision processing can really do to the regular standard def signal once it is set right, I think you would also feel it's worth the little to no effort.
 
#344 ·
Can someone share some pics of what this bad DV, always on HDR problem looks like?

I’m also not seeing it.

I do care about my picture but I guess I’m not SUPER picky.

I don’t see the washes out colors or anything and my non-HDR stuff on the Stream looks fine to me.

I’m just curious what others are seeing.
 
#351 ·
I unplugged the TS4K last night. The last few days YouTube video was freezing while the audio continued playing. Plex/Emby were still having problems on it too. Just too much aggravation, when all I want to do is watch something trouble free.

If they update it sometime in the next 6 months, I’ll give it another go, but now the old reliable 4K Fire Stick is back in action and things are right again in the streaming device world.
 
#358 ·
Problem with all of this is no amount of adjustments will truly fix the picture. HDR Tone Mapping is the best band aid at the moment, if your TV has such a setting. But the always on HDR bug has to be fixed by the developer. If AT&T TV is indication, it must be pretty hard, if not impossible to fix. Their Android TV box has had the HDR bug for over 3 years now. But their is a glimmer of hope since Nvidia Shield was able to fix theirs. However that may have required new hardware.

If it doesn't bother you, either your TV is masking it well enough or you are blind. The problem still exists and needs to be fixed.
 
#361 ·
Did you get a good price for it? I've noticed lately it's got quite the price tag on it. Not sure what's comparable, considered selling mine a few times...
I sold it before they stopped making it. So I basically covered 98% of what I paid for it, since I had purchased it on sale. There were a bunch of issues with the player initially. Too many for me to deal with. Of course they eventually ironed them out. But it took awhile. I will say this though, I never had any issues with my Sony x800 or Philips 7502 players.

But if I had even held on to my Oppo, I most likely would have still sold it for the crazy prices they were going for. After they announced they were exiting the disc player market.
 
#362 ·
Regarding Stream4K access to DVR content:
Not currently. Although TiVo's CEO said, back in January, something like, that's something to look into/consider. (Some of us instead think, it should have been looked into/considered earlier and be there now.)
That's one way of putting it. Another would be that at this stage for TiVo to launch their own branded streamer complete w/baby peanut remote that CANNOT INTERFACE WITH THE DVR THEY HAVE BEEN SELLING FOR A GENERATION AND IS THEIR ONLY SOURCE OF BRAND AWARENESS just marks them as TOO STUPID TO LIVE. In this context the baby peanut is somewhere between a sad joke and a slap in the face, the TiVo logo grinning up at you taking on a decidedly sarcastic edge ("Hi, I'm a TiVo. No, you can't watch TiVo with me. Hahahahaha!").

What on earth is so broken in their brains that this seemed even moderately reasonable? We have long had a generic TiVo app that can access DVR content from our Android PHONES, but today's TiVo can't provide an app at least as functional for THEIR OWN BRAND NEW DEDICATED DEVICE?! Other than "Yeah, they used to have smarter people, now the ones left don't have what it takes to develop working software any more," what possible excuse can be offered for this level of blundering self-parody?

With the corporate shenanigans of the past few years, it's been hard for me to maintain much hope of "TiVo" surviving as anything but a label on a weapon in some patent troll's war chest, but the launch of the TiVo Stream 4K w/o connectivity to TiVo DVRs may have killed those hopes for good. Coming alongside the withdrawal of the FireStick app and cessation of development on the Roku and Apple TV apps, TiVo has basically reneged on the full portfolio of promises to TiVo buyers regarding their "coming soon" affordable multi-tiered whole-home TV solution. Delivering the Stream4K with a TiVo app right out of the gate would have gone a long way to restoring their credibility - now every month that goes by without that app just digs the hole deeper. Perhaps worst of all, this glaring misstep detracts from the very real promise of wrapping multiple popular streaming services with a single search engine and content browser. Instead, "TiVo launches new device that can't talk to TiVos" becomes the groaner punchline to CE's longest-running shaggy dog story.

What a mess.
 
#365 · (Edited)
Regarding Stream4K access to DVR content:

That's one way of putting it. Another would be that at this stage for TiVo to launch their own branded streamer complete w/baby peanut remote that CANNOT INTERFACE WITH THE DVR THEY HAVE BEEN SELLING FOR A GENERATION AND IS THEIR ONLY SOURCE OF BRAND AWARENESS just marks them as TOO STUPID TO LIVE. In this context the baby peanut is somewhere between a sad joke and a slap in the face, the TiVo logo grinning up at you taking on a decidedly sarcastic edge ("Hi, I'm a TiVo. No, you can't watch TiVo with me. Hahahahaha!").

What on earth is so broken in their brains that this seemed even moderately reasonable? We have long had a generic TiVo app that can access DVR content from our Android PHONES, but today's TiVo can't provide an app at least as functional for THEIR OWN BRAND NEW DEDICATED DEVICE?! Other than "Yeah, they used to have smarter people, now the ones left don't have what it takes to develop working software any more," what possible excuse can be offered for this level of blundering self-parody?

With the corporate shenanigans of the past few years, it's been hard for me to maintain much hope of "TiVo" surviving as anything but a label on a weapon in some patent troll's war chest, but the launch of the TiVo Stream 4K w/o connectivity to TiVo DVRs may have killed those hopes for good. Coming alongside the withdrawal of the FireStick app and cessation of development on the Roku and Apple TV apps, TiVo has basically reneged on the full portfolio of promises to TiVo buyers regarding their "coming soon" affordable multi-tiered whole-home TV solution. Delivering the Stream4K with a TiVo app right out of the gate would have gone a long way to restoring their credibility - now every month that goes by without that app just digs the hole deeper. Perhaps worst of all, this glaring misstep detracts from the very real promise of wrapping multiple popular streaming services with a single search engine and content browser. Instead, "TiVo launches new device that can't talk to TiVos" becomes the groaner punchline to CE's longest-running shaggy dog story.

What a mess.
ditto. ditto. ditto. Tivo could solve all of their problems by allowing liveTV streaming apps like hulu live TV, tivo streaming app or etc on their other equipment like the edge. All of that horsepower sitting there with networking, DVR functions and storage already there. Do they not want to piss off the cable providers? Also The 4k remote is a bad joke and so is the idea that a 50 dollar dongle is ever going to turn into a real DVR. I wonder how many streams it could serve up before it bursts into flames. LMAO. I just dont understand why there had to be a new dongle device to begin with.
 
#363 ·
??? I hit one button and all my HDMI switches change to the correct input, the device turns on, the Receiver turns on and switches to the correct input and the TV turns on switches to the correct input. That's been the way for me for more than a decade in my setups. I currently use Harmony remotes with Harmony hubs to accomplish this. Otherwise I would need a crazy number of remotes since my two UHD setups have at least fifteen devices in each.

Why would I want to go into the picture settings everytime I start watching something? It has nothing to do with laziness. There should be no need to do it. And there isn't with all the other UHD devices I own. But they properly switch between the different dynamic ranges.

The Sony UHD BD players are the only Dolby Vision players that force DV on the user. It has to do with the way Sony initially half assed their DV. It's also the entire reason I did not upgrade my Sony x800(HDR10 & HLG) to an X800M2(DV, HDR10, HLG). I got a Philips one instead. .

I only wish I had not sold my Oppo UHD BD player a few years ago. Of course they don't force DV on you. And neither does the Panasonic UHD BD players. And they are both a step or two above the Sony UHD BD players.
"A Philips one....". Well that answers my quality question. [emoji23].

You're using a Harmony remote in answer to a "lazy" statement? That's a good one too. I also have a Harmony btw, so I'm not saying you are or it's a bad thing. It's just funny from a first world problem perspective.

You also mention Panasonic. So are you going to sit here and tell me you or anyone with one of those players here never, ever go into the menu system while playing a disc to tweak the HDR Optimizer setting up or down a few clicks based on the HDR brightness of the movie? This is absolutely no different, if I even have to do that, which I said I actually don't.

Perhaps you haven't read about the Dolby Vision trick using the Sony players? Many agree on the virtues of converting to DV, when set right. From the looks of it, Sony didn't half-ass anything. If it weren't for them this trick would never have happened, although that wasn't their intent, but it is actually amazing what they were able to do in terms of Dolby Vision if you ask me. The only thing they got wrong is not giving the choice to auto switch and I agreed with that from the very beginning. Quality is not an issue if you know what you're doing.
 
#364 ·
You're the only one arguing that it looks right though, so, like you said "I'm out of this one now."
That we can agree on, although I'm not the only one.

Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend and don't forget why we honor this holiday. May God Bless the veterans who gave their lives for us so we have the freedom to bicker about meaningless things like this HDR bug.
 
#367 ·
Haven't seen the TS4K listed at Amazon or Best Buy, yet--I assume that TiVo is keeping these initial weeks to itself. I wonder if the TS4K will be selling at the "full" ~$70 price at Amazon and Best Buy, etc. once it finally gets there (I assume that it ultimately will be offered at other retail outlets), or if there will be a discounted pricing available there as well.
 
#370 ·
Problem with all of this is no amount of adjustments will truly fix the picture. HDR Tone Mapping is the best band aid at the moment, if your TV has such a setting. But the always on HDR bug has to be fixed by the developer. If AT&T TV is indication, it must be pretty hard, if not impossible to fix. Their Android TV box has had the HDR bug for over 3 years now. But their is a glimmer of hope since Nvidia Shield was able to fix theirs. However that may have required new hardware.

If it doesn't bother you, either your TV is masking it well enough or you are blind. The problem still exists and needs to be fixed.
I just noticed TiVo has quite a sale going on the Edge right now (first time I'm aware of, usually it's just been sales on Bolts) and came here to see if that HDR bug had been fixed yet. Guess I'll pass on the Edge and just keep using the Bolt and Roamio for a while longer. Thanks for saving me some bucks.
 
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