It's made for cable subscribers and cord cutters alike. Both the cable and the antenna model boast easy one-screen navigation between apps and all major streaming services, live and online TV, and recordings. They both have superior Dolby audio and visual quality, along with all the fan favorites like Auto Skip/SkipMode, OnePass, and universal search.
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I’ll have to wait on the initial reviews to see how these Tivo Edge units perform. I have a 3TB 6 Tuner Bolt on TE3 and my initial impression is to be very skeptical. One reason for that skepticism is the advertisement and website is like super flashy without giving much detail.
Here is why I’m not updating for now (if I could get some feedback on if my logic is correct please):
1. I still use the Live Guide and it’s my preferred option for using Tivo after trying the Grid Guide multiple times.
2. Transfers of video recordings between TiVo’s doesn’t really work very well and fail after 1 or 2 videos have transferred. I’m not sure if this has been fixed but I doubt it given TiVo’s history. I’ve got a pretty big library of movies at this point.
3. 2 TB hard drive which is smaller than my current 3TB hard drive.
4. Tivo Plus software just looks to be an extension of the excessive tiles in Hydra. Beyond that after looking at TiVo’s website I’m not entirely sure what the software is.
I'll have to wait on the initial reviews to see how these Tivo Edge units perform. I have a 3TB 6 Tuner Bolt on TE3 and my initial impression is to be very skeptical. One reason for that skepticism is the advertisement and website is like super flashy without giving much detail.
Here is why I'm not updating for now (if I could get some feedback on if my logic is correct please):
1. I still use the Live Guide and it's my preferred option for using Tivo after trying the Grid Guide multiple times.
2. Transfers of video recordings between TiVo's doesn't really work very well and fail after 1 or 2 videos have transferred. I'm not sure if this has been fixed but I doubt it given TiVo's history. I've got a pretty big library of movies at this point.
3. 2 TB hard drive which is smaller than my current 3TB hard drive.
4. Tivo Plus software just looks to be an extension of the excessive tiles in Hydra. Beyond that after looking at TiVo's website I'm not entirely sure what the software is.
1. I don't use the guide enough for that to make any difference to me. But since the live guide is important to you you should stay on TE3.
2. As I understand it transfers using TE4 are initiated through the Tivo web site. Most of the comments I've read around here are not positive about the ease and success with TE4 transfers. Transfers are important to me and, as you know, very easy using TE3.
2a. You didn't mention it, but transfers from PC to Tivo are not allowed under TE4. This is very important to me and a good reason to stay with TE3.
3. Bigger is better. Size does matter.
4. TE4, or Hydra, is loaded with tile graphics. Personally I really prefer the non-graphic UI in TE3.
5. Not on your list, and not nearly as important to me as it seems to be to many members here, TE3 is apparently not going to get the pre-roll ads. If you are sensitive to ads on your Tivo this would just be one more item to add to your decision to stay away from TE4.
So, to me, it appears that your logic to avoiding the Tivo Edge and being locked into TE4 forever is solid.
There are 2 USB ports on the back. I would buy the new Edge if it allowed any external drive to be plugged into the USB port on the back.
It would have been nice if the antenna Edge had apps for some or any of the streaming services like Sling, Youtube TV, PSVue, Philo, Hulu TV, etc.
As hardware updates go, this is more modest than all previous generational updates.
Edge CPU is a 25% bump, rather than the 2-3x we usually get. This is not really Tivo's fault, but it's just to point out that the difference won't be very discernible unless you're hardcore into Dolby Vision or Atmos and the two apps that'll be updated support it. (I'm being snarky saying two, but I'm probably not far off.)
It's going to feel VERY "Bolty" with just a pinch more performance in the navigation.
TiVo, like every consumer electronics company, is more than willing to let the early adopters pay full price (if you want it badly enough, you get to pay list). At some future point there might be one/more discount offerings, but never refuse full price at initial release time.
I would not be surprised that either Black Friday, or the (typical) next mid-year upgrade "sale" might offer better prices (especially for upgraders who might be offered a lifetime/all-in transfer at an aggressive price), but you have to be willing to wait, wait, and wait (which is not always easy if you want it now, now, now).
You haven't taken advantage of lifetime transfer or upgrade offers given how long you've had TiVo's? Our original 2 lifetime purchases in 2000/2002 for our S1's were transferred to 2 S3 in 2007 for $199 each and then we took advantage of a longtime TiVo user in 2015 to get lifetime on a new Roamio Pro purchase for $99 (and did the same for my son's HD upgrading to a Bolt with lifetime for $99).
Lifetime/All-in has paid for itself many times over if you can take advantage of the special offers (and would otherwise as well given how long we have used each generation of TiVo).
Not sure why anyone would give Tivo money for this given the lack of support for the Bolt ecosystem. Especially when it comes to 4K/HDR and app support. Apps are very limited and out of date due to the OS they use, and there's no Dolby Vision support on the Bolt despite there being no technical reason I'm aware of why it can't support it. Unless major architectural changes have been made, I'd expect more of the same on the Edge. Pretty frustrated with Tivo as someone who paid like $600 for a lifetime Bolt as an all-in-one 4K box which it never even came close to being even years later.
Also, the huge Disney+ launch is soon and I doubt Tivo is going to have any app support for it on any generation (or at least I've seen zero indication that they will). So enjoy your already-obsolete streaming cable box.
I am semi considering as I have a 10 year old 2-tuner Premiere. If the right deal came, I might bite. I don't really want to wait until the Premiere dies. Might have to look at one of the cable Bolt's since they seem to be reduced to sell.
Except for the (special) person who got one to replace their bolt, it is not yet (officially) shipping so I don't expect an ifixit teardown/repair guide for another few weeks at the earliest (one persons trivial is another persons impossible).
Until Comcast & Tivo get all of their lawsuits worked out, I HIGHLY doubt OD is coming back anytime soon
AND...with their (SLOW) migration to IPTV, Tivo is going to be hard-pressed to get few, if any, Comcast TV subs to buy a new Tivo at this stage...unless the 2 work out a way for IPTV to be supported on Comcast. (again, ain't happening until all their lawsuits play out...)
This is my concern right now. I used to have 4 Series 3 boxes that were rendered useless on Comcast when they moved to MPEG4. Now I'm using a Roamio as my main box with a pair of X1's as well. I would love to buy another Tivo but if Comcast decided to switch to IPTV in the next few months for example I'd have another expensive paperweight as far as Comcast use which is why I ended up with a second X1 instead. If Comcast decided to broadcast their system from Mars next week and my current box doesn't support it all I have to do is drive to a local office and get one that does. With Tivo not so much. And for anyone wanting to point out the cost of renting versus buying a Tivo it would take 4 years of renting before covering the cost of a new Tivo and who's to say Comcast will even be usable on it in say 2 years? That has to be a concern to some.
Seems like a lot of money at the moment but my lifetime subscriptions have all paid for themselves many times over. Take your monthly fee and multiply by twelve. Divide that into the lifetime cost and you will see your break-even point in years. That was an eye opener for me. I always do the lifetime deal especially when it's offered at a reduced price.
Buying lifetime has always been a gamble, but mine too have always paid off - my series 3s are still running beyond 10 years each, and my Bolts paid off quick because of the high-discount transfer offers I used.
BUT, I would NOT buy a new lifetime at the current prices. Just too high, and I absolutely do NOT trust Rovi after this recent forced-commercials crap they pulled.
I fail to realize why anyone would upgrade to this. Dolby Vision and Atmos on Netflix and Youtube seems to be the only added feature. This everyone has with Apple TV, Roku or Chromecast. Am I missing something?? What Tivo should do is focus their efforts on getting more apps capable of 4K/DV/Atmos. Namely Amazon Prime and Hulu.
I wouldn't upgrade at full price, but next time TiVo offers a special deal to transfer Lifetime/All-In, I will consider upgrading my Bolts to alleviate fears about failure due to poor heat management. Tivo-Ted has stated that the Edge design has much better air flow than the Bolt. I'd probably just sell the Bolt with All-In in place, and use an old Premiere 2-tuner for the upgrade. Even this is iffy though, since I'm a TE3 fan.
1) I would need a 6 tuner model so I could retire both of my 4 tuner Premieres. I wanted the savings on returning the 2nd cable card plus less electricity to cover a significant part of the initial cost over maybe 4 years. Almost $1,000 going out is ridiculous.
2) My ROKU combined with my Premieres do a great job for TV and streaming. I use a Logitech 650 remote to control fast switches - 1 button for TV or 1 button for ROKU.
3) The trend for Tivo commercials before recordings is quite off-putting. It defeats the purpose of commercial skip. Also, PlayOn Desktop offers acceptable commercial skip on recordings. Not perfect but not bad. Some channels have no ads thanks to the ad blocker associated with my router. (note a PC with strong processor is needed to avoid judder on recordings. Mine is an i5 with about 5400 Passmark. A J1900 is too weak.)
It'll be interesting to see if the Lux remote has a proper motion sensor (for auto-lighting when picked up). If it does, I imagine I'll replace my old peanuts in fairly short order (once you can buy them separately)
The new remote should have been with cable version not OTA. Not a big deal for me but seriously makes no sense. How about packing a new remote in the box separately TiVo? TED?
You haven't taken advantage of lifetime transfer or upgrade offers given how long you've had TiVo's? Our original 2 lifetime purchases in 2000/2002 for our S1's were transferred to 2 S3 in 2007 for $199 each and then we took advantage of a longtime TiVo user in 2015 to get lifetime on a new Roamio Pro purchase for $99 (and did the same for my son's HD upgrading to a Bolt with lifetime for $99).
Lifetime/All-in has paid for itself many times over if you can take advantage of the special offers (and would otherwise as well given how long we have used each generation of TiVo).
No doubt. I've only owned three Tivos, but have not paid a whole lot for any of them. My first was a Toshiba labeled SD Tivo I bought in the early 2000s that came with "Tivo basic" included which was only three days of guide. You could pay to upgrade to full service but I never did.
I used it until about 10 years ago when I was able to get a big break on the purchase of lifetime for a Premiere due to owning that older box with basic service. Then a while back I bought a Bolt on one of those deals giving a massive discount to transfer lifetime from the Premiere. But they never did - it still has lifetime, even though I just let it sit around gathering dust.
I considered taking advantage of the recent offer to do the same deal again, planning to sell the never used Bolt w/lifetime on eBay. I checked and verified my Premiere is still eligible for that deal, but I forgot about it until it was too late. Hopefully the deal comes back again, either for a heavily discounted Bolt when they are trying to clear inventory for the Edge or for an Edge.
I think I paid about $200 for the first Tivo, either $300 or $400 for the Premiere (can't recall) and $400 for the Bolt, so I'm basically at $1000 for well over 15 years of using a Tivo. I would have spent several times that much had I been renting a DVR from the cable company (and pretty sure it was a few years after I got my first one before they even offered one)
Its been a great run, but the Edge is the first one that hasn't tempted me even slightly. While I didn't upgrade until the Premiere, I considered the 3/HD. My cable company just didn't have enough HD channels to be worth it at first. I would have considered the Roamio if a good deal had come along, but I'm glad I waited for the Bolt as it was a much bigger step up and I got a great deal on it. The whole TE4 thing (even before the preroll ad fiasco) means the Bolt is the last Tivo I'll ever use. If it were to die on me, I'd just buy another one either off Tivo's site refurbished, or used off eBay.
I don't read that as precluding the opt-out, just that AutoSkip won't auto-skip the pre-roll ads. If opted-out, the pre-roll ads won't be there for AutoSkip to not auto-skip.
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