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Introducing TiVO Edge

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TiVO EDGE Antenna (OTA) 4 tuner 2TB HDD $349.99
Annual service $69.95 ($6.95/mo) or All-In service $249.99

TiVO EDGE Cable 6 tuner 2TB HDD $399.99
Annual service $149.95 ($14.95/mo) or All-In service $549.99
It's made for cable subscribers and cord cutters alike.
Both the cable and the antenna model boast easy one-screen navigation between apps and all major streaming services, live and online TV, and recordings. They both have superior Dolby audio and visual quality, along with all the fan favorites like Auto Skip/SkipMode, OnePass, and universal search.

For cable TV enthusiasts, TiVo EDGE for cable provides a service unlike others and allows for a seamless cable experience on top of all of that. It includes a 2 TB hard drive (up to 300 HD hours) along with 6 tuners.Introducing TiVo EDGE - TiVo Blog

For cord cutters, TiVo EDGE helps you find and record hundreds of free over-the-air HD shows that you can get with an antenna. Then you can skip eligible ads or set your TiVo EDGE to skip commercials automatically. It has a 2 TB hard drive (up to 300 HD hours) and 4 tuners. Think of all the money you'll save having access to ad-skippable content from all of the major networks, every month. Make sure to pick up a good HD antenna (we recommend something like this).
 
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#53 ·
I wonder if the user-agreement for the new Edge says the user agrees to the pre-rolled ads?

They are willing to remove the ads for us right now on the other platforms, but if it was part of the original agreement there would be no reason or obligation for TiVo to turn them off.
 
#55 · (Edited)
For Bolt owners the modest CPU bump, Atmos and DV support are barely worth $95, much less another $950.

Roamio and older customers, I kinda get it IF their cable operator is starting to provide 4K content over QAM they care about watching. If not, they (and OTA users) should just get a $50 stick for FAR superior 4k/app support.

Otherwise, Edge is added to the "Why do I exist?" pile with the 2-tuner Premiere and caffeine-free Mountain Dew.
 
#77 ·
Roamio and older customers, I kinda get it IF their cable operator is starting to provide 4K content over QAM they care about watching. If not, they (and OTA users) should just get a $50 stick for FAR superior 4k/app support
Are there any cable operators distributing 4K channels via QAM? Even if there are, a 4K capable Mini should be able to work with a non-4K Roamio - similar to how Directv uses a non 4K capable DVR with a 4K capable client. Whether Tivo allows such a thing is another matter, but there is no technical roadblock - when a tuner decodes a QAM channel it doesn't know or care whether there are 4K, HD or SD channels inside, or whether they use MPEG2, MPEG4 or HEVC compression. Its just bits, and only means more bits need to be passed to the Mini for a 4K channel.
 
#56 ·
Any idea if we'll see loyalty pricing for existing customers? I recall seeing that a few years back. Of course, they released this just as I got my bolt back from the seemingly all too common HDD failure :(

While it looks decent, I don't see enough that makes me want to pull out my credit card...
 
#58 ·
Interesting, the cable Bolts are gone from the TiVo website. Only the Bolt OTA is still there, probably while supplies last. It's 1TB and $250, vs. the 2TB $350 Edge for antenna. The Edge for cable has 2TB and is $400.

Just looking. I'm actually likely to sell off our Bolt and downsize to just the Roamio Pro and v2 Minis here, and as mentioned above we rely on the Fire TV Stick 4K for streaming now. There are no 4K cable channels here.

I'm also planning an HD HomeRun and Channels DVR system in a parallel test setup as we plan for the future while Rovi continues to run TiVo into the ground. But there's a TiVo Alternatives thread for that discussion.
 
#63 ·
My suspicion is that TiVo will keep selling the Bolt OTA as the "cheaper" cord-cutting option while supplies last. After they are sold out, I expect them to release a 2-tuner Edge OTA with a 1TB hard drive as the "cheaper" option, as was rumored a while ago, to compete directly with the Amazon DVR and Tablo 2-tuner budget options.
 
#65 ·
I’ll have to wait on the initial reviews to see how these Tivo Edge units perform. I have a 3TB 6 Tuner Bolt on TE3 and my initial impression is to be very skeptical. One reason for that skepticism is the advertisement and website is like super flashy without giving much detail.

Here is why I’m not updating for now (if I could get some feedback on if my logic is correct please):

1. I still use the Live Guide and it’s my preferred option for using Tivo after trying the Grid Guide multiple times.

2. Transfers of video recordings between TiVo’s doesn’t really work very well and fail after 1 or 2 videos have transferred. I’m not sure if this has been fixed but I doubt it given TiVo’s history. I’ve got a pretty big library of movies at this point.

3. 2 TB hard drive which is smaller than my current 3TB hard drive.

4. Tivo Plus software just looks to be an extension of the excessive tiles in Hydra. Beyond that after looking at TiVo’s website I’m not entirely sure what the software is.
 
#72 ·
I'll have to wait on the initial reviews to see how these Tivo Edge units perform. I have a 3TB 6 Tuner Bolt on TE3 and my initial impression is to be very skeptical. One reason for that skepticism is the advertisement and website is like super flashy without giving much detail.

Here is why I'm not updating for now (if I could get some feedback on if my logic is correct please):

1. I still use the Live Guide and it's my preferred option for using Tivo after trying the Grid Guide multiple times.

2. Transfers of video recordings between TiVo's doesn't really work very well and fail after 1 or 2 videos have transferred. I'm not sure if this has been fixed but I doubt it given TiVo's history. I've got a pretty big library of movies at this point.

3. 2 TB hard drive which is smaller than my current 3TB hard drive.

4. Tivo Plus software just looks to be an extension of the excessive tiles in Hydra. Beyond that after looking at TiVo's website I'm not entirely sure what the software is.
In my opinion:

1. I don't use the guide enough for that to make any difference to me. But since the live guide is important to you you should stay on TE3.

2. As I understand it transfers using TE4 are initiated through the Tivo web site. Most of the comments I've read around here are not positive about the ease and success with TE4 transfers. Transfers are important to me and, as you know, very easy using TE3.

2a. You didn't mention it, but transfers from PC to Tivo are not allowed under TE4. This is very important to me and a good reason to stay with TE3.

3. Bigger is better. Size does matter.

4. TE4, or Hydra, is loaded with tile graphics. Personally I really prefer the non-graphic UI in TE3.

5. Not on your list, and not nearly as important to me as it seems to be to many members here, TE3 is apparently not going to get the pre-roll ads. If you are sensitive to ads on your Tivo this would just be one more item to add to your decision to stay away from TE4.

So, to me, it appears that your logic to avoiding the Tivo Edge and being locked into TE4 forever is solid.
 
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NOTE: I updated initial post with new hardware information thanks to Ted:
 
#67 ·
There are 2 USB ports on the back. I would buy the new Edge if it allowed any external drive to be plugged into the USB port on the back.
It would have been nice if the antenna Edge had apps for some or any of the streaming services like Sling, Youtube TV, PSVue, Philo, Hulu TV, etc.
 
#71 · (Edited)
As hardware updates go, this is more modest than all previous generational updates.

Edge CPU is a 25% bump, rather than the 2-3x we usually get. This is not really Tivo's fault, but it's just to point out that the difference won't be very discernible unless you're hardcore into Dolby Vision or Atmos and the two apps that'll be updated support it. (I'm being snarky saying two, but I'm probably not far off.)

It's going to feel VERY "Bolty" with just a pinch more performance in the navigation.
 
#88 ·
TiVo, like every consumer electronics company, is more than willing to let the early adopters pay full price (if you want it badly enough, you get to pay list). At some future point there might be one/more discount offerings, but never refuse full price at initial release time.

I would not be surprised that either Black Friday, or the (typical) next mid-year upgrade "sale" might offer better prices (especially for upgraders who might be offered a lifetime/all-in transfer at an aggressive price), but you have to be willing to wait, wait, and wait (which is not always easy if you want it now, now, now).
 
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#90 · (Edited)
Not sure why anyone would give Tivo money for this given the lack of support for the Bolt ecosystem. Especially when it comes to 4K/HDR and app support. Apps are very limited and out of date due to the OS they use, and there's no Dolby Vision support on the Bolt despite there being no technical reason I'm aware of why it can't support it. Unless major architectural changes have been made, I'd expect more of the same on the Edge. Pretty frustrated with Tivo as someone who paid like $600 for a lifetime Bolt as an all-in-one 4K box which it never even came close to being even years later.

Also, the huge Disney+ launch is soon and I doubt Tivo is going to have any app support for it on any generation (or at least I've seen zero indication that they will). So enjoy your already-obsolete streaming cable box.
 
#104 ·
Until Comcast & Tivo get all of their lawsuits worked out, I HIGHLY doubt OD is coming back anytime soon
AND...with their (SLOW) migration to IPTV, Tivo is going to be hard-pressed to get few, if any, Comcast TV subs to buy a new Tivo at this stage...unless the 2 work out a way for IPTV to be supported on Comcast. (again, ain't happening until all their lawsuits play out...)
 
#105 ·
This is my concern right now. I used to have 4 Series 3 boxes that were rendered useless on Comcast when they moved to MPEG4. Now I'm using a Roamio as my main box with a pair of X1's as well. I would love to buy another Tivo but if Comcast decided to switch to IPTV in the next few months for example I'd have another expensive paperweight as far as Comcast use which is why I ended up with a second X1 instead. If Comcast decided to broadcast their system from Mars next week and my current box doesn't support it all I have to do is drive to a local office and get one that does. With Tivo not so much. And for anyone wanting to point out the cost of renting versus buying a Tivo it would take 4 years of renting before covering the cost of a new Tivo and who's to say Comcast will even be usable on it in say 2 years? That has to be a concern to some.
 
#112 ·
Seems like a lot of money at the moment but my lifetime subscriptions have all paid for themselves many times over. Take your monthly fee and multiply by twelve. Divide that into the lifetime cost and you will see your break-even point in years. That was an eye opener for me. I always do the lifetime deal especially when it's offered at a reduced price.
 
#113 ·
Comcast charges $10 a month for X1 in my area. At current TiVo prices, my break even would be 7.9 years. My current TiVo just turned 6, if I get 2 more years out of it without a new hard drive it'll be pure luck. A new hard drive will add another year to break even for me (likely). If the power supply lasts 9 years, I'd be surprised.

X1 is cheaper and less risky. I was willing to pay a premium for TiVo until preroll ads became the future plans. I had set aside money to buy this day 1, but with preroll ads and the impossibility of break even vs an X1, I'm gonna limp along with my current one, and then when it dies switch to X1.
 
#117 ·
I fail to realize why anyone would upgrade to this. Dolby Vision and Atmos on Netflix and Youtube seems to be the only added feature. This everyone has with Apple TV, Roku or Chromecast. Am I missing something?? What Tivo should do is focus their efforts on getting more apps capable of 4K/DV/Atmos. Namely Amazon Prime and Hulu.
 
#131 ·
I wouldn't upgrade at full price, but next time TiVo offers a special deal to transfer Lifetime/All-In, I will consider upgrading my Bolts to alleviate fears about failure due to poor heat management. Tivo-Ted has stated that the Edge design has much better air flow than the Bolt. I'd probably just sell the Bolt with All-In in place, and use an old Premiere 2-tuner for the upgrade. Even this is iffy though, since I'm a TE3 fan.
 
#118 ·
Count me out.

1) I would need a 6 tuner model so I could retire both of my 4 tuner Premieres. I wanted the savings on returning the 2nd cable card plus less electricity to cover a significant part of the initial cost over maybe 4 years. Almost $1,000 going out is ridiculous.

2) My ROKU combined with my Premieres do a great job for TV and streaming. I use a Logitech 650 remote to control fast switches - 1 button for TV or 1 button for ROKU.

3) The trend for Tivo commercials before recordings is quite off-putting. It defeats the purpose of commercial skip. Also, PlayOn Desktop offers acceptable commercial skip on recordings. Not perfect but not bad. Some channels have no ads thanks to the ad blocker associated with my router. (note a PC with strong processor is needed to avoid judder on recordings. Mine is an i5 with about 5400 Passmark. A J1900 is too weak.)
 
#129 ·
Could you get a Tivo Edge and downgrade it to Tivo Experience 3?

Thus keeping the live guide and non-tile interface and taking advantage of the faster processor and newer design?
As far as we know, downgrading ("sidegrading") will not be possible.

Someone may come up with a TE3 hack for the Edge, but I'm not holding my breath waiting.
 
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