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20.4.6 Release Notes

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#1 ·
We have just authorized the first 2,000 TiVo Roamio and TiVo Mini customers from the priority list (http://tivo.com/priority) to receive the 20.4.6 software update. Additional groups of customers (including TiVo Premiere signups) will be updated AFTER the Superbowl. (So, if you don’t get it today, you will get it next week.)

The big news this release is that OnePass replaces Season Pass, and puts links to streaming videos into My Shows so you can watch every episode -- recorded or not. I previously posted detailed information about OnePass functionality here:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10363391#post10363391

I know some people are worried about the change that prohibits getting more than one OnePass for a show. Continuing to allow this added a lot of complication as we made the changes to support streaming video options. OnePass will let you record on “all channels” or one specific channel. If you were using two Season Passes so that you could have different recording options on different channels, here are some things you might consider:

1. Get the OnePass for All Channels, and either mark the important episodes “Keep Until I Delete” after they record, or delete the ones you don’t care about.

2. Get the OnePass for the channel you really care about. Turn Suggestions On, and give the show 3 thumbs up. Any episodes that record on other channels (as Suggestions) will show up in your OnePass folder. You can watch the episodes, mark them “keep longer”, or let them come and go as disk space is needed.

Here are some other changes in the release:

- Ability to add a link to a streaming movie and have it appear in the “Streaming Movies” folder in My Shows

- Updated Amazon Instant Video app (with Amazon Prime) will be available on TiVo Premiere boxes

- If you are running the 3.5 version of the TiVo app for iOS, you will be able to “move” shows that were recorded on your DVR from copy-protected channels. (Once the download has been completed, the original recording will be deleted from your DVR. Downloads must be initiated while on your home network.)

- New “Power Saving” options for TiVo Roamio boxes (Settings > Devices). There are multiple options available. For the biggest power savings the box will wake up for user-scheduled recordings, and will only record suggestions during the “awake” period. For somewhat less power savings the box will wake up to record suggestions.

- Three additional screens are now available in “HD Menus” style: “Set Up a Manual Recording”, “Find by Time”, and “Find by Channel”. They are located under TiVo Central > Manage Recordings & OnePass.

- Amazon Instant Video now appears alongside other apps in My Shows

- Fixed the issue where some Mini customers would see a V87 error when they tried to watch an episode that was still recording on the DVR

- Fixed an issue where some customers would see a blue spinning circle when trying to create or update a Season Pass (now OnePass)

- Fixed an issue where duplicate recordings were happening when a user deleted a single episode from a Season Pass (now OnePass) and created a manual recording instead

- Fixed a problem where modifying a Season Pass in SD menus would set it to record on “all channels"

For those not on the priority list, I expect the full rollout to be complete by the end of February.

Up Next: Our 2015 Spring release will make VUDU available on Premiere boxes.

--Margret
 
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#877 ·
This is by design. A folder "pops to the top" any time new content is available to you (either recorded or streaming). This means when Netflix releases the next season of 'House of Cards' your OnePass folder for it will appear at the top of a date-sorted My Shows.
Right. I was trying to answer someone as to why that happens. I wasn't complaining about it. :)

- Merg

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#878 ·
We also consider the level of complication it adds to the user's experience, and how many people use the feature.
Looks like quite a few people have complained about not being able to set up multiple OnePasses for a given show, as was formerly possible with Season Pass. I can't believe there's no way to bring this capability back, simply because integrated support for streaming video has now been introduced ... I love OnePass, and I don't personally have a need for dual OnePasses, but I think those who do are right to complain ...
 
#879 ·
I have a handful of OP to include streaming, but they're not all showing in order in 'my episodes' view, and some duplicating. Is there a reason for this or is it a bug? Example, Big Bang Theory in this order w/ S=streaming and R=recorded:

S ... S8 E1
S ... S8 E5
S ... S8 E6
S ... S8 E7
S ... S8 E12
S ... S8 E13
S ... S8 E14
R ... S8 E8
R ... S8 E14 (showing S and R of same episode in folder)

Also, there are two S7 episodes that show both streaming and recorded.

In 'all episodes' view they're correct.
 
#880 ·
I have a handful of OP to include streaming, but they're not all showing in order in 'my episodes' view, and some duplicating. Is there a reason for this or is it a bug? Example, Big Bang Theory in this order w/ S=streaming and R=recorded:

S ... S8 E1
S ... S8 E5
S ... S8 E6
S ... S8 E7
S ... S8 E12
S ... S8 E13
S ... S8 E14
R ... S8 E8
R ... S8 E14 (showing S and R of same episode in folder)

Also, there are two S7 episodes that show both streaming and recorded.

In 'all episodes' view they're correct.
What is your sort order? (B button)

Date
Newest
Season
 
#881 ·
Question for those that have the update. Are you forced to use the 3 pane view of My Shows with this software update? I don't like or use the extra categories in My Shows so I currently use the 2 pane view. From the demo videos I saw about the new Streaming options they were all using 3 pane view, so just wondering if 2 pane view is still an option?
Although you CAN use the 2-pane view, the more crowded NPL may give you more reason to want the categories there. I use the TV Series category far more with the new software than ever before.
 
#886 ·
I have a handful of OP to include streaming, but they're not all showing in order in 'my episodes' view, and some duplicating. Is there a reason for this or is it a bug? Example, Big Bang Theory in this order w/ S=streaming and R=recorded:

S ... S8 E1
S ... S8 E5
S ... S8 E6
S ... S8 E7
S ... S8 E12
S ... S8 E13
S ... S8 E14
R ... S8 E8
R ... S8 E14 (showing S and R of same episode in folder)

Also, there are two S7 episodes that show both streaming and recorded.

In 'all episodes' view they're correct.
Most duplicating I see is caused by ratings in prime v netflix, other data differences will do the same.
 
#887 ·
It's funny that the website orders folders and shows fine by date under "My Shows" in your account, when you view what is on your Roamio. At least it is a somewhat simple working around for those of us with a lot of programs recorded.

Hopefully they leave the website alone...
 
#888 ·
But if you come out of high power saving mode all ch will be on the lowest ch in your lineup.
Nope...just woke up our Pro that has the high power saving mode enabled and the 6 tuners where all tuned to different channels. They look like the channels that were in use when it went into standby last night, and one tuner was set to MSNBC, which was used by the Mini in the bedroom early this morning.

Perhaps this behavior is dependent on the cablecard? We have Motorola cards from Verizon.
 
#889 ·
Nope...just woke up our Pro that has the high power saving mode enabled and the 6 tuners where all tuned to different channels. They look like the channels that were in use when it went into standby last night, and one tuner was set to MSNBC, which was used by the Mini in the bedroom early this morning.

Perhaps this behavior is dependent on the cablecard? We have Motorola cards from Verizon.
I'm on FiOS too with a Motorola Cable Card. I have seen the same behavior as you. Which is the expected behavior.
 
#891 ·
According to the text on the "Power Saving Settings" screen, all the different levels control is the amount of idle time the TiVo waits before automatically going into standby.
Not really. They also control if the TiVo will wake up the record suggestions or not. Did you read them?
 
#892 ·
Not really. They also control if the TiVo will wake up the record suggestions or not. Did you read them?
Actually, I didn't read the text for the individual settings, just the global one. I turn off suggestions anyway. For those that do want suggestions recorded, it doesn't say is what it does if you put the TiVo in standby manually.
 
#894 ·
If you reset your TiVo this will do a soft reset of the CableCard and when the box restarts all the tuners will be on the channel it was tuned to before the reset.
If all the tuners is on the lowest channel in the CableCard line up then the box lost power for more than a minute which in turn does a hard reset on the CableCard. The reason it does this is once the power is removed the card will become unpaired from the host as the OOB (Out of Band) messages has stopped. Once the power is restored then the card will receive the OOB messages from the head end and will repair the card and it will start to function.

There is two ways to see the uptime of the card.
1. Go to the DVR diagnostics and go past all the data for the tuners and in the look for the "time from OOB tune start". It will show the time in seconds.
2. Go to the CableCard diagnostics and select the Status menu. On the top line you will see "uptime". This will tell the days, hours, minutes that the card has been up and running since the last soft or hard reset.
If you go to the Network section of the CableCard menu you can see the OOB message counter. You can make the counter update by continuously hitting the select button. If you loss the OOB messages then the card will no longer function.

I am wondering if this problem is only happening on the base Roamio model as it has an external power supply. Those that say they have no issue are using the Plus/Pro Roamios which has an internal power supply.
If it is only the base model then TiVo will have to disable this feature or have a new unit made with an internal power supply.

Power loss is the only explanation that I can think of that will cause the card to do a hard reset, so I would safely speculate that the issue is related to a power supply problem caused by the new power saving software.
 
#896 ·
Uh, huh, what? Where did this all come from?

The Plus and Pro merely have an internal supply, putting out the same 12V, at a higher amp rating. The leads to the board are 12V, then are downregulated right on the mainboard, just as the base and OTA Roamios do with the 12V that comes in via wall-wart, with a lesser amperage rating.
The only thing that will cause all the tuners to be tuned to the lowest channel is a power loss that is long enough to cause the CableCard to do a hard reset.
Other than that it will be somebody doing the hard reset at the cable company.
Since people are reporting this with the new software then it has to be related to the box losing power long enough to have the hard reset occur.
Of the people that say they do not have this issue when using the power saving features, they all have the Plus/Pro models.
This makes me wonder if this is related to the base model since it has an external power supply.
I am not saying this is the problem but suggesting that this maybe the issue.
 
#898 ·
All of my Roamios always resume to the channels last on each tuner, and always default to all tuners on the last foreground channel, in the event of a reboot, or even extended loss of power.
I do not plan to use any of the low power modes, but as a test I decided to see what happens after standby. My Roamio Pro goes back to all of the same channels it was on before standby. When there is a reboot, all tuners are on the same channel, which is usually a low numbered channel. (I haven't determined if this was the last viewed channel or not.) I do not have power loss, because I use a UPS, like everyone with a TiVo should do.

I have a Motorola M card and no tuning adapter in both of my TiVos. By the way, my Elite/XL4 does the same thing with the channels for standby and reboot.
 
#901 ·
Ok, that's better.

I will try to see if I can spot the same pattern you are seeing. If I can, and the sample size is large enough, I'll have something to say on it. I've been following the subject closely, and haven't seen enough to draw any substantial conclusions, or many educated guesses.

The power supplies are not being switched-off, or even placed into another state. By design, if 120VAC is coming in, 12VDC is coming out, no matter the model. The only difference, is that the 12V line on the base/OTA models can be manually unplugged, without opening the cover.

TiVos use the most simple design for their power supplies as they can. If anything is being done with the power, it would be on the mainboard. Unless TiVo thought way ahead, when designing the circuitry, I doubt even the lower voltages are being changed in any way.

For the record, I have three base Roamios, and have swapped in 2.5A bricks from Cisco TAs, in place of the 2.0A wall-warts (now running my TAs). I don't just do things like that without attempting to verify that I'm not pushing any safety margins, should something like a hard drive fault (or accidental short circuit) create a large increase in current draw. So, I know quite a bit on the matter, as I also repair power supplies regularly, in a variety of things.

All of my Roamios always resume to the channels last on each tuner, and always default to all tuners on the last foreground channel, in the event of a reboot, or even extended loss of power.

The behavior people see is just as much, likely more, going to vary based on the cablecard brand, firmware, cable provider, regional market, and how the cablecard is programmed to handle cold/warm reboots, change of operational states, loss of power, etc.
So what difference does it make what channels it comes back on? Does it affect anything important?
 
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