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Old 07-11-2014, 10:46 AM   #1
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20.4.2 Release Notes

(sorry for the delay in posting these)

We have begun updating TiVo Roamio, TiVo Premiere, and TiVo Mini boxes with the 20.4.2 "Summer Update". There is still time to request an early update with tivo.com/priority. Customers that don't request a priority update will be automatically updated by the end of the month.

Here are some of the changes:
- TiVo Premiere and TiVo Mini boxes will now have the same visual look as TiVo Roamio. (Colors & font.)
- The UI is now written in Haxe instead of Adobe Air/Flash, which is why things are faster than in 20.4.1.
- My Shows now offers an optional left-column with a list of categories you can turn on/off & rearrange to make it easier to find the show you're looking for. Categories include: All, Partially watched, Going away soon, TV Series, Movies, Kids, Sports, News, Suggestions, Video Providers, and Devices. Use the A button in My Shows to change these settings.
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- If you press INFO on a show in the Guide, it will indicate if that episode is available from a video provider, so you can watch it right away.
- HuffPost Live app now available in Apps & Games
- Fixed a problem where large recordings couldn't always be permanently deleted from the recently deleted folder
- Fixed issues related to video freezing when the TiVo's HDMI was connected to an Xbox
- DVR diagnostics should now correctly report QAM modulation
- Fixed issues related to HDMI snow appearing when YouTube videos changed frame rate
- Default recording options should now be respected when a WishList is set up from Search
- Fixed performance problems related to transferring video from a Roamio
- Fixed the occasional bursts of static some customers would randomly hear
- Fixed the pixelation that would appear at the beginning of downloaded videos

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Old 07-11-2014, 10:58 AM   #2
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Thanks for all the updates. TiVo is definitely the best DVR available!
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Embedded switched digital video?!
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:20 AM   #4
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Embedded switched digital video?!
How is that even remotely relevant to a software update thread? That's a hardware limitation.
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:30 AM   #5
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thanks for the incredible premiere performance of the update, and the release notes. communication from tivo to cusotmers continues to amaze, and it's (at least) appreciated by me.
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:40 AM   #6
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How is that even remotely relevant to a software update thread? That's a hardware limitation.
I got it from another software thread that you obviously missed.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d#post10169254

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Just got off the phone with TiVo Tech support and found out that this update also fixed the heartbleed bug that was going around a few months ago (just for the sake of fixing it he said) as well as adding something called "embedded Switched Digital Video" support
So is this for other or non-retail DVR hardware, is the back channel approach used for VOD going to be applied in new ways, something else, confused tech?
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:59 AM   #7
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Amazon Instant Video is missing from the new category "Video Providers". I'm sure this is something that can be fixed on the back end.
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:29 PM   #8
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That was the second time integrated SDV support has come up here in the forums. If true, I'm thrilled for the tuning adapter folks.

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Old 07-11-2014, 12:32 PM   #9
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Embedded switched digital video?!
The "embedded Switched Digital Video" is relevant only to specific cable operator partners with additional support in their headend.
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The "embedded Switched Digital Video" is relevant only to specific cable operator partners with additional support in their headend.
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:36 PM   #11
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The "embedded Switched Digital Video" is relevant only to specific cable operator partners with additional support in their headend.
Sweet, thank you!
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any way to get Amazon added back to the "video providers" list?
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:46 PM   #13
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Thanks a lot Margret, solid update.

UI written in Haxe... that's interesting. (just as a nerd.)

The aspect ratio bug is starting to get annoying rather quickly, though.
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The "embedded Switched Digital Video" is relevant only to specific cable operator partners with additional support in their headend.
As always, thanks Margret! Are you able to share exactly which providers will support this feature?
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- The UI is now written in Haxe instead of Adobe Air/Flash, which is why things are faster than in 20.4.1.

Neat! As a geek, though not a UI design one, I'd be interested to hear how the rewrite went using Haxe though I suspect that such a write up would consume a day or more of TivoMarget's or an engineer's time so maybe not ...

Nice to see that Tivo is a Strategic partner of the Haxe Foundation!

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As a non-geek, I have no idea what Haxe is, but appreciate the speed. It is much better than I anticipated it would be. Now the flash haters can move to something else.

I just wish our resident benchmarker had a chance to run some pre tests to help show how much faster some of the navigation is. I still surprised how much better it is on my two tuner premieres, especially combined with the additional functionality.
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Neat! As a geek, though not a UI design one, I'd be interested to hear how the rewrite went using Haxe though I suspect that such a write up would consume a day or more of TivoMarget's or an engineer's time so maybe not ...
If you wanna get your nerd on, I found a Tivo/Haxe developer pdf that offers a lot of insight and nuggets into the transition process. (e.g. early prototype performance was +30%.)

https://github.com/kulick/wwx2014

And a blog post about Tivo at the Paris WWX2014 conference:

http://pigiuz.wordpress.com/2014/05/...ughts-on-haxe/

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Those are great. It seems to directly answer the question on the development of Android stream support. haxe transition first, then new features related to streaming. I'm satisfied with that, especially with the new speed I'm seeing.
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If you wanna get your nerd on, I found a Tivo/Haxe developer pdf that offers a lot of insight and nuggets into the transition process. (e.g. early prototype performance was +30%.)

https://github.com/kulick/wwx2014

And a blog post about Tivo at the Paris WWX2014 conference:

http://pigiuz.wordpress.com/2014/05/...ughts-on-haxe/
Check the guys Twitter post ::

https://twitter.com/pigiuz/status/47...532928/photo/1

A little more than hypothetical as its stated in the pdf. mind blowing indeed
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Looks like switching to Haxe is simplified their multi-OS ambitions, the slides specifically call out "Android TV Devices" for the NME C++ Deployment, and Browsers for the OpenFL HTML/JS deployment.




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Back when the Spring update was released, Margret suggested the Summer update would be "big." Prior to the Haxe revelation, it just didn't feel like what was visibly changed in the Summer update was "big". Knowing that the entire UI code has been re-written is "big" and exciting. Hopefully leads to even better things to come.
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Back when the Spring update was released, Margret suggested the Summer update would be "big." Prior to the Haxe revelation, it just didn't feel like what was visibly changed in the Summer update was "big". Knowing that the entire UI code has been re-written is "big" and exciting. Hopefully leads to even better things to come.
Exactly, I was a little let down at first (before getting the update), thinking it was only a reskin. However, the performance boost and knowing it was a complete re-do from Flash to Haxe is both fascinating and amazing. And they did it one year! It makes my Premiere feel like a premium product and I'm so happy they did this, even it meant there weren't a lot of visible new features. Knowing this is what happened behind the scenes is amazing and I'm glad they made it public. My TiVo satisfaction meter just went from a 7 to a 9!

It's very interesting to see the Amazon FireTV and Xbox One called out as potential home endpoints. I can only imagine the possibilities. Hope they pursue it.

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A little more than hypothetical as its stated in the pdf. mind blowing indeed
WOW! Very cool. Love this stuff!

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- Fixed issues related to video freezing when the TiVo's HDMI was connected to an Xbox
Thanks for this one specifically! It was driving me and my family nuts!

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Thanks for the Release Notes thread and the info.

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The "embedded Switched Digital Video" is relevant only to specific cable operator partners with additional support in their headend.
How will we know if/when it's rolled out and we can dump the TA?

Time Warner .. and specifically Oceanic TW.

I guess the protocol is different from the TA version of it? Is that why it needs head end changes?

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Margret, thank you.

And the Haxe links were awesome, thanks for sharing.

Shame that they needed to dedicate resources for a year, but hey, now it's done, and on to better and greater possibilities.
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Thanks for the Release Notes thread and the info.



How will we know if/when it's rolled out and we can dump the TA?

Time Warner .. and specifically Oceanic TW.

I guess the protocol is different from the TA version of it? Is that why it needs head end changes?

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One would think so, and the more it's different from current TA techniques the better the chance it will be an actual improvement. I have to wonder what motivates the cable cos to fund these head end changes. Surely it isn't just to support TiVo's in general. Or is it just the cable cos that have joint marketing agreements with TiVo's that are customized to their systems?

I'm willing to give great odds that my TWC provider will **never** do anything like this.
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One would think so, and the more it's different from current TA techniques the better the chance it will be an actual improvement. I have to wonder what motivates the cable cos to fund these head end changes. Surely it isn't just to support TiVo's in general. Or is it just the cable cos that have joint marketing agreements with TiVo's that are customized to their systems?

I'm willing to give great odds that my TWC provider will **never** do anything like this.
I'd guess the motive is reducing capital expenditures on TA hardware. I believe most providers don't make anything off the TA lease (mine is free for example)
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I'd guess the motive is reducing capital expenditures on TA hardware. I believe most providers don't make anything off the TA lease (mine is free for example)
right ... they can't charge us anything for the TA. I believe it was part of the SDV agreement. So if they can replace the TA with software, they win too.

If it's possible to improve the protocol that might also eliminate some service calls as well. (perhaps in the long run, but that might be a stretch.)

Hmmm, I wonder if that will spur the tv manufacturers to reconsider cable card?

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