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Old 06-17-2014, 10:55 PM   #31
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Which raises a whole OTHER question
Well, the terrorists were very specific that Heller should come alone. Kind of hard to be alone when someone flies you onto the pitch and parks a helicopter there.

Besides, you're already down a President on this deal; why would you waste a perfectly good helicopter as well?
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:16 PM   #32
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Why is everything, including Wembley stadium, completely deserted at 6:30 p.m.? And why isn't it colder if it's dark at 6:30.

Didn't Heller survive something he had no business surviving once before? A car he was in, submerged under water, or something like that? Anyway, this time I think he's dead.

"How will we know when it's done?" Um, dear, your father's the President if the United States. If he's dead, it'll be on the news.

Jack pardoned is a nice touch. Opens the door for happily ever after.
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Old 06-17-2014, 11:19 PM   #33
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Jack pardoned is a nice touch. Opens the door for happily ever after.
Wait until the Russians hear about that. Mark Boudreau is going to be in a world of hurt.
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:48 AM   #34
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Pure speculation: I wonder if Chloe was able to get into their system and interrupt the video feed with a delayed feed, or something like that.

If I were the greensman at Wembly I'd be PISSED.
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The non-silent clock, plus Chloe commenting on the two other streams that she was "closer" to figuring out makes me agree here. Chloe was able to do something to the drone video feed that "faked" Heller being there and the facial recognition. Will be a little disappointed if this is the case (a Chloe "super-hacker in mere seconds, let again), but it is 24...


Nit: I think I remember them saying to take the drone down to 20K feet. Assuming 1000 mph for the missile (which appears to be ballpark for a hellfire), then would take about 15 seconds between launch and detonation. In both the last two eps, the drone missiles struck nearly instantaneously from launch...

I usually don't care about these types of details, but for whatever reason, this bothered me.
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Old 06-18-2014, 01:24 AM   #35
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Wait until the Russians hear about that. Mark Boudreau is going to be in a world of hurt.
Good. He deserves to be in a world of hurt.
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:05 AM   #36
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Why is everything, including Wembley stadium, completely deserted at 6:30 p.m.? And why isn't it colder if it's dark at 6:30.
after the hospital was struck a curfew went into effect
they mentioned that when the russian met with the chief of staff
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:42 AM   #37
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Well, the terrorists were very specific that Heller should come alone. Kind of hard to be alone when someone flies you onto the pitch and parks a helicopter there.

Besides, you're already down a President on this deal; why would you waste a perfectly good helicopter as well?
I really didn't expect this item to turn into a discussion, but okay. They certainly didn't expect the president to drive himself to the stadium. What difference would it make if the helicopter landed on the field and then took off, or dropped him in the parking lot? But look - this is 24 - if we're trying to apply logic it simply won't work
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:08 AM   #38
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Heller probably had Boudreau draw up Jack's pardon or left it on Boudreau's desk which means it'll disappear or he'll scribble a big "^NOT!" before the word "pardoned". There's no way Jack will be pardoned in the free and clear until the last episode of the season, if at all.
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:15 PM   #39
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Why is everything, including Wembley stadium, completely deserted at 6:30 p.m.? And why isn't it colder if it's dark at 6:30.
There isn't any game going on that night?
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:20 PM   #40
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after the hospital was struck a curfew went into effect
they mentioned that when the russian met with the chief of staff
Good point. But in that case why wasn't the RAF shooting at the helicopter?
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Old 06-18-2014, 09:46 PM   #41
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after the hospital was struck a curfew went into effect
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And they were able to completely clear the streets in an hour. The streets of London. During rush hour.

Sometimes I'm not sure whether I'd rather live in the alternate word of 24, where traffic is never an issue even in the biggest, most congested cities on Earth; or the alternate world of Alias, where apparently teleportation technology has been developed.

I mean, teleportation is cool, so points to Alias. But I still can't shake the feeling that any realistic teleportation system must involve the destruction of the original.

And then I laugh at myself for using the word "realistic" in this context.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:16 PM   #42
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Sometimes I'm not sure whether I'd rather live in the alternate word of 24, where traffic is never an issue even in the biggest, most congested cities on Earth; or the alternate world of Alias, where apparently teleportation technology has been developed.

I mean, teleportation is cool, so points to Alias. But I still can't shake the feeling that any realistic teleportation system must involve the destruction of the original.

And then I laugh at myself for using the word "realistic" in this context.
I wish TCF had "like" buttons. I guess it's this?
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:40 AM   #43
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Sometimes I'm not sure whether I'd rather live in the alternate word of 24, where traffic is never an issue even in the biggest, most congested cities on Earth; or the alternate world of Alias, where apparently teleportation technology has been developed.
I think I'd definitely go for the latter. Innocent bystanders are far less likely to get shot or blown up just to make a point there. They're usually too busy dancing in epileptic-seizure-inducing nightclubs.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:47 AM   #44
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I thought it was funny that the pc controlling the drone just happened to have advanced facial recognition software running too.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:09 PM   #45
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I really didn't expect this item to turn into a discussion, but okay. They certainly didn't expect the president to drive himself to the stadium. What difference would it make if the helicopter landed on the field and then took off, or dropped him in the parking lot? But look - this is 24 - if we're trying to apply logic it simply won't work
I agree with the questionable discussion and the futility of applying logic, or even real thought process, to 24.

But... I actually wouldn't be surprised if they did expect him to drive himself. Who would drive POTUS to his own murder? If they thought about it, which I'm sure they didn't, they probably figured he'd find a way to sneak out.

And, in the same vein, I can't see Jack landing on the pitch, dumping Heller out of the chopper, saying "see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya!" and whizzing away over London.

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I thought it was funny that the pc controlling the drone just happened to have advanced facial recognition software running too.
I guess there is some logic to that. If you are going to use them to target someone with a surgical strike, you want to make sure your target is there.

Or, it's 24, logic never plays into anything.

I finally caught up to the series. I had planned to watch all 12 in one sitting but got bored with nothing on so I caught up over the last few days. This really is the stupidest of the bunch. If it wasn't for Yvonne Strahovski who plays Kate Morgan (and for some reason when I hear that name I think of KATIE Morgan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1025704/b..._=nm_ov_bio_sm) who did those HBO softporn shows).

I used to like William Devane as a pretty decent actor, but for some reason he's just TERRIBLE here. He sounds like a high school actor trying to overact every scene.

As I said before, not sure we needed to bring back 24 again. Over time it just seems stupider and stupider. Yet here I am watching, if for nothing else, the ridiculousness of the whole thing. It's kind of like Under the Dome. Nobody cares about the story, only the gaffs.
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It's kind of like Under the Dome. Nobody cares about the story, only the gaffs.
I don't think many care about UtD's gaffs, either.
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Old 06-21-2014, 09:11 PM   #49
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2) "We found a disk drive". Really? A disk drive? Do they not have editors on this show?
I don't get it.
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I don't get it.
What they found was a disc (a cd or dvd). A disc drive is the hardware that plays the disc.
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talk about picky.....

looked like an external hard "disk drive" to me.
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What they found was a disc (a cd or dvd). A disc drive is the hardware that plays the disc.
I've been in the business way too long, and disk drive is interchangeable with hard drive to me. Back in the day I remember loading disk drives with disk packs that held 65 MegaBytes. The disk packs looked like 8 or 10 stacked record albums, with half an inch of space between them. Floppy drives and hard drives are also just different types of disk drives.
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I've been in the business way too long, and disk drive is interchangeable with hard drive to me.
Yeah, no argument - but clearly in this case they were talking about an optical disc. And just to make you feel better about how long you've "been in the business", my first home computer was an Atari 400 back in 1980
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What they found was a disc (a cd or dvd). A disc drive is the hardware that plays the disc.
I'd have to go back and re-watch the episode, but I remember seeing a hard drive, not a cd or dvd.
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As I recall, what we saw was a cd in a sleeve or soft case. And if I'm not mistaken, it was referred to as a "disc" or "cd" several times during the episode.
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I'd have to go back and re-watch the episode, but I remember seeing a hard drive, not a cd or dvd.
That's my recollection as well, but I surely don't care enough to rewatch.
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but I surely don't care enough to rewatch.
Agreed, at this point it's more conversational than anything else. Considering all the major plot holes and lack of realism, this would be a drop in the bucket.
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I've been in the business way too long, and disk drive is interchangeable with hard drive to me. Back in the day I remember loading disk drives with disk packs that held 65 MegaBytes. The disk packs looked like 8 or 10 stacked record albums, with half an inch of space between them. Floppy drives and hard drives are also just different types of disk drives.
Ah yes! I remember those disk packs. Quite heavy and they were in a protective clear plastic cylinder with a handle on top and you positioned the whole assembly into the drive and used the handle to screw the pack into the drive and then unscrew the protective cylinder. Then you closed the top and the whole thing was almost as big as a clothes washer. And LOUD!! I forget what capacities we had but 65 Megabytes sounds about right!

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Yeah, no argument - but clearly in this case they were talking about an optical disc. And just to make you feel better about how long you've "been in the business", my first home computer was an Atari 400 back in 1980
I beat you as I had an Atari 800!

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I beat you as I had an Atari 800!

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I beat you as I had an Atari 800!

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No you didn't. I replaced the 400 with an 800 when it was released

And my first office PC was an ATT 6300.

Oh - and yeah, I also had a slide rule (in my high school we were actually required to carry one with us).
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