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Old 06-11-2014, 11:18 AM   #1
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Fargo - S01E09 - A Fox, a Rabbit, and a Cabbage

Just not sure what Lester was hoping to accomplish by confronting Malvo especially after Malvo told him to walk away.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:23 AM   #2
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There were several minutes of show where I wasn't sure if it was Malvo, or some dentist that looked like him!

Also lots of tension as Malvo left the diner only to just miss Molly and the Feds.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:25 AM   #3
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Malvo telling the guy who bought Lester's house about the murders in front of the kids. Classic.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:40 AM   #4
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I'm no prude but there is certainly a lot of cold blooded killing. It seems to me that its way more than what was in the movie. Sometimes it almost too much in-your-face and somewhat disturbing.

But its a great show and I wouldn't want to miss a minute of it!!!

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Old 06-11-2014, 11:53 AM   #5
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Just not sure what Lester was hoping to accomplish by confronting Malvo especially after Malvo told him to walk away.
Yeah. You'd think by now that Lester would know - no matter how drunk he is - the correct answer to Malvo asking, "Do you really want to do this?" is "No!" especially after Malvo said, "Walk away." Lester was soo high on how well things were going.

The stretch of believability here is that Malvo would work 6 months for a measly $100,000 bounty.

Who hired Malvo anyway? He done did in the "Real Estate office."
I guess he's a well known name brand hitter.

Malvo can fake being a dentist.

How did anybody know that Lester was a witness in Vegas?

Lester drops his wives like old socks.

Didn't ya think that Lou was in danger? The music was made to make the scene be tense.

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Old 06-11-2014, 12:10 PM   #6
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The elevator scene made me laugh thats some dark comedy right there. Lester be who you are, you get in deep doo doo otherwise. Him sending his wife into the shop to get shot thats the Lester we know!
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Do we think that Malvo knows he shot the wife and not Lester?
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Old 06-11-2014, 12:25 PM   #8
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Do we think that Malvo knows he shot the wife and not Lester?
Well he knows he didn't shoot Lester. Unknown if he knew who Lester's current wife is. I think Gus will see Malvo again.
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Well he knows he didn't shoot Lester. Unknown if he knew who Lester's current wife is. I think Gus will see Malvo again.
They'll ALL see Malvo again. I just hope that we don't end up with, say, Lou getting killed.

You'd think that Lou would know that Molly had Lester in her sights and would have told her that the weird guy was just asking for him.

How it should go, but nothing on Fargo goes straight: Gus plays a key role as a cop for once. I still say that Lester takes out Malvo. We'll expect the last scene to be Molly having Lester in the car, "So was that all worth it, then?"

And Key and Peele and Bill get offed on the way. Molly becomes chief.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:30 PM   #10
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Lester escalated the situation in the elevator because he wanted to watch Malvo shoot them. He later sent his wife into the office, making sure she was in that coat and hood so he could watch Malvo shoot her. Pay close attention to what Lester was doing while his wife was being shot. I am surprised no one caught that yet
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:46 PM   #11
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Don't the writers of this show know that there are surveillance cameras everywhere in Vegas hotel casinos? The security guards would have responded in less than a minute of Malvo shooting those people in the elevator. And even if they were asleep or something, they would have recorded it, showing Malvo killing the people, and Lester hitting Malvo in the back of the head and leaving. The Vegas police would have done a lot more than send a small town police officer with vague instructions to interview Lester.

Also, why was Malvo bothering to move the bodies out of the elevator? Just leave them and take off. Or was he really expecting to have time to dispose of the bodies and clean all the blood and gore out of the elevator?

Why did Lester's wife lie to Molly about the reason for leaving the hotel? It was Lester -- not her -- who decided to leave early.

As someone mentioned, it is surprising that Lou did not recognize Malvo's face. Surely Molly showed Lou his picture at some point. Lou obviously sensed that Malvo was not trustworthy, but just as obviously he did not recognize Malvo's face.

If you happen to get invited to Lester's next wedding, a suitable gift for the bride would be protective head gear.
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Old 06-11-2014, 04:33 PM   #12
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Pay close attention to what Lester was doing while his wife was being shot. I am surprised no one caught that yet
I watched this scene again and still have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 06-11-2014, 04:39 PM   #13
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I watched this scene again and still have no idea what you're talking about.
I guess he suspects that Lester was masturbating. But I saw no indication that he was. Lester has always had strange mannerisms. Lester was aware that there was a good chance he was sending his wife to be killed, and he just did not care very much.
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Old 06-11-2014, 05:07 PM   #14
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The stretch of believability here is that Malvo would work 6 months for a measly $100,000 bounty.
That struck me, too. He probably had to sink quite a bit of money into his identity (house, lifestyle, etc). But on the other hand, I think Malvo would gladly kill people and ruin the lives of others as long as his expenses were covered. Plus, he gets to lay low for a while (out of the MN area) and torture people while pretending to be a dentist.

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How did anybody know that Lester was a witness in Vegas?
The impression I got, based on him being a "witness," was that Lester had either gone to the police himself (maybe out of desperation since he knew Malvo would kill him) or someone had identified him ("I saw Lester, the salesperson of the year, talking to those people at the bar").
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Several times during this episode I'm thinking, why on earth would you do that? Lester continuing to chase Malvo instead of running as soon as he saw him...killing everyone in the elevator instead of letting Lester go and getting him later....telling the kids someone died in their house after the dad was so nice to him...cover for your husband when he so obviously is in trouble and not telling you what's going on....(ok, maybe I can see her doing that)

Do the 2 FBI agents have authority to investigate this? Or is Molly going to get all excited only to have their superiors call and tell them to go home? Assuming anyone lives that long....

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Old 06-11-2014, 05:27 PM   #16
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The impression I got, based on him being a "witness," was that Lester had either gone to the police himself (maybe out of desperation since he knew Malvo would kill him) or someone had identified him ("I saw Lester, the salesperson of the year, talking to those people at the bar").
Or more likely, they saw lobby surveillance video of him getting on the elevator with the victims.
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Several times during this episode I'm thinking, why on earth would you do that?
I've had those thoughts about the show since the beginning. Kinda turned me off at first, but if you can ignore them, it's pretty entertaining.
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Or more likely, they saw lobby surveillance video of him getting on the elevator with the victims.
Maybe. But then I doubt it would be left to the local small town police to question him when he got back home. And if Lester could be identified based on the video, it seems that Malvo would have been as well.

As someone else posted, it seems like we're to assume that surveillance video doesn't exist. If it did, this is a nationwide manhunt for Malvo with some real cops wanting to ask Lester a lot of questions.
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As someone else posted, it seems like we're to assume that surveillance video doesn't exist. If it did, this is a nationwide manhunt for Malvo with some real cops wanting to ask Lester a lot of questions.
It is difficult to reconcile what happened.

Realistically, there would have been video of what happened inside the elevator. All those casino elevators have surveillance. So, the Vegas police would have Malvo's face (but not his real identity, since he surely has that well hidden). And Lester's face would quickly lead to Lester's identity.

But perhaps we are meant to assume something really odd happened. If security were on the ball, they would have captured Malvo in minutes (or been gunned down by him). But it seems Malvo got away without any drama.

If they had video of Lester, Malvo, and the three victims getting into the elevator, then they would have sent Vegas police or FBI to Bemidji to question Lester, armed with the pictures, including a picture of Malvo. And probably called ahead to have Bemidji police hold Lester in custody until they got there. But they just called the local police station with vague instructions to send someone to question Lester, without any pictures or even details of what happened.
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Since when do you need a passport to travel between the U.S. and Mexico?
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Since when do you need a passport to travel between the U.S. and Mexico?
Since about 2008, you can get away with not having a passport if you drive or walk back but you risk secondary inspection which can take a long time to get through.

If you fly or go on cruise ship you must have a passport.
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Even with Lester blowing his cover, sorta, Malvo could have waited until they were all back in a hotel room to kill them. Malvo also could have easily covered for Lester knowing him, unless the dentist brother would suddenly be too cautious to let "Aces" meet his brother.
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:53 PM   #23
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I guess he suspects that Lester was masturbating. But I saw no indication that he was. Lester has always had strange mannerisms. Lester was aware that there was a good chance he was sending his wife to be killed, and he just did not care very much.
I think that's what he's getting at too but that's absolutely not what it looked like to me either.
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Or more likely, they saw lobby surveillance video of him getting on the elevator with the victims.
Correct.

Based on the questioning of Lester it was clear they knew he got in the elevator with the other 4 people (i.e. "what happend in the elevator?"). They probably had video of Malvo too, but they didn't know who he was.

Realistic? No, because as had been mentioned, real vegas hotels have cameras everywhere, but we're supposed to suspend belief here and just assume they had cameras where they entered the elevator and that was it.

And also based on this "theory", it's not that illogical that they might send the local cop to question him, as at that point he was just a potential witness. I'm sure they knew the 4th man (who's body wasn't there) was probably the killer.
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And also based on this "theory", it's not that illogical that they might send the local cop to question him, as at that point he was just a potential witness. I'm sure they knew the 4th man (who's body wasn't there) was probably the killer.
Actually, it is unreasonable to assume that. Lester is either a triple-murderer, an accessory, or a witness to a triple murder which he did not report to the police and fled the state suspiciously. Either way, he is in trouble.

And considering that one of the victims is the brother of someone in witness protection, who was apparently in or travelling to Vegas, I would expect the FBI or US Marshals to be talking to Lester posthaste.

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I thought it was interesting that Allison Tolman (Molly Solverson) was working a part time temp position ($11/hour) in Chicago when she tried out for the part in Fargo. I have a feeling she won't need to return to her temp job.
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1) As stated above, ALL major hotel & casino elevators in Las Vegas have security cameras.

2) Sorry, but the comment above that Lester intentionally goaded Malvo to shoot the others in the elevator is ridiculous. While it's unclear (and nonsensical) why he chose to push the confrontation, his expression of fear and surprise at the shooting makes it clear he was not expecting that to happen. Additionally, there's a reasonable expectation that he could - and should - have been shot as well.

3) Re the question about whether Malvo knows he didn't shoot Lester - yes, you could see him lean over and check the body.

Too many things in this episode were simply unbelievable or completely out of character (even for the "new" Lester). Still enjoyable, but certainly not believable (I'm among those who does not accept that this is based on a true incident).
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Don't the writers of this show know that there are surveillance cameras everywhere in Vegas hotel casinos? The security guards would have responded in less than a minute of Malvo shooting those people in the elevator. And even if they were asleep or something, they would have recorded it, showing Malvo killing the people, and Lester hitting Malvo in the back of the head and leaving. The Vegas police would have done a lot more than send a small town police officer with vague instructions to interview Lester.

Also, why was Malvo bothering to move the bodies out of the elevator? Just leave them and take off. Or was he really expecting to have time to dispose of the bodies and clean all the blood and gore out of the elevator?

Why did Lester's wife lie to Molly about the reason for leaving the hotel? It was Lester -- not her -- who decided to leave early.

As someone mentioned, it is surprising that Lou did not recognize Malvo's face. Surely Molly showed Lou his picture at some point. Lou obviously sensed that Malvo was not trustworthy, but just as obviously he did not recognize Malvo's face.

If you happen to get invited to Lester's next wedding, a suitable gift for the bride would be protective head gear.
Yeah there were some HUGE holes in the plotline this week. Heck, NOBODY heard gunshots? Still, this is so highly entertaining and fun (in a weird sort of way) that none of this bothered me in the least and took away from the entertainment value of the show.

Lester is some piece of work. He's either just a HUGE coward despite his change in personality in the past year, or, as said in the thread earlier, he just gets off on watching people die. Either way, if I had to root for him or Malvo, I'm rooting for Malvo.
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Several times during this episode I'm thinking, why on earth would you do that? Lester continuing to chase Malvo instead of running as soon as he saw him...killing everyone in the elevator instead of letting Lester go and getting him later....telling the kids someone died in their house after the dad was so nice to him...cover for your husband when he so obviously is in trouble and not telling you what's going on....(ok, maybe I can see her doing that)

Do the 2 FBI agents have authority to investigate this? Or is Molly going to get all excited only to have their superiors call and tell them to go home? Assuming anyone lives that long....

Awesome show.
My thought was that Lester thinks he's "all that" now. He's trying to act up to his new macho self, so he confronts the killer as a way to prove he's more of a man than Malvo. But he's really still the same Lester.
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My thought was that Lester thinks he's "all that" now. He's trying to act up to his new macho self, so he confronts the killer as a way to prove he's more of a man than Malvo. But he's really still the same Lester.
Yeah, we saw that last week when he stapled the kid, and then looked like he was about to run in terror until the kid backed down.

And that was a stupid kid, not Malvo. I'm surprised his expensive new suit didn't require special treatment at the cleaner after the elevator.
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