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Old 06-19-2014, 04:13 PM   #151
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...and what the heck did the BIRD add to this story so far? I did not like that at all!
I think it was a metaphor for how Cardiff appears to be dead in the water and should they just kill it or let it sit there and suffer.
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Old 06-19-2014, 09:19 PM   #152
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I think she was introduced as being a rather experienced hardware engineer - they're at least equals in skill I believe. (They worked together on that computer they designed).
Actually, I got the impression she was originally a "technician" or something like that.. basically someone soldering parts together on an assembly line.. (Remember, we used to have that in the USA?)

...but then it seemed to me this ep showed she really knew/learned a lot more about hardware.
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Old 06-21-2014, 02:41 PM   #153
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I think it was a metaphor for how Cardiff appears to be dead in the water and should they just kill it or let it sit there and suffer.
OK, but I still did not like it.
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Old 06-21-2014, 04:55 PM   #154
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I am enjoying this show.

Don't care about the technical accuracy.

And maybe I'm the only one but I dig the punk music.

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Old 06-23-2014, 04:40 PM   #155
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I'm just about done with this show. I want to kill the SP but I'll wait a couple of days to see if I'll reassess and give it another chance. I already have to rearrange my Sunday night recordings if I want to watch anything live so one less show won't kill me. I hate Joe. I despise Cameron. Gordon's a weak and spineless character. The only person I like is Gordon's wife.
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Old 06-23-2014, 04:53 PM   #156
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I'm still watching it, though the technical errors in the past week's episode really rubbed me the wrong way.

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I mean how the hell can you read a hard drive manually in that environment? There'd be so much dust that the drive would be unredable. and moving the disk manually You're dealing with head movements on the order of microns.

I'm not a fan of any character, Joe comes across as a smarmy used car salesman with little idea of what he's attempting on a technical level. Gordon is weak and has no ability to stand up for himself or his beliefs. Cameron is the most likeable, but her snarky anti-establishment crap is getting old.


I'll keep the SP since I want to see where the story goes, but I think this is a one season and done for me.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:47 PM   #157
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Yeah last night's episode was pretty lame in a number of ways. Perhaps I spoke too soon.

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Old 06-23-2014, 09:02 PM   #158
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Yeah, the hard drive platters out in the open was stupid.

I keep wondering what the various machines/terminals they're using are (possibly have been answered before). The things that look vaguely like Commodore PETs with built in floppy drives.

Also, I keep noticing other tech in the background. In the scene where the guy asks the secretary to take Cameron to go get cleaned up, they're at an old copier with a (CRT) screen, right? I didn't realize any copiers back then had separate screens for control.
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I've seen those copiers before - they're used by print houses back in the day in order to do copies REALLY fast. As in literally pages per second. You put your original on, key in the number and options, and the thing uses a flashbulb to illuminate a photosensitive belt (instead of a drum) which lets you have dozens of pages in flight and be able to do hundreds of copies in a few minutes.

You had oldschool copiers back in the day, but generally they took anywhere from 5-10 seconds to do one page.

These days, copiers are digital - they scan the document into digital memory first then use a laser or CRT imager to imprint the drum with the page contents. CRT imagers are used in the high speed copiers because they can image a page in milliseconds. (Old style typesetters also used high-res CRT displays to image the plates).
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Old 06-24-2014, 05:01 AM   #160
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Joe is so despicable that I didn't care that he got the crap beat out of him by the good ol' boy cops. Plus, that made me dislike his boss for being too much of a coward to punch Joe in the face himself.

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Old 06-24-2014, 05:48 AM   #161
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Joe is so despicable that I didn't care that he got the crap beat out of him by the good ol' boy cops. Plus, that made me dislike his boss for being too much of a coward to punch Joe in the face himself.
I guess this is now a spoilers allowed thread? I am not sure why they beat up Joe. Was it just because he was an outsider? I didn't get that.

Also, I've always called the File Allocation Table "FAT" as in not skinny. They kept calling it F A T. Do people actually call it that?

I'm still in, but honestly, I don't know why.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:40 AM   #162
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I guess this is now a spoilers allowed thread?

Also, I've always called the File Allocation Table "FAT" as in not skinny. They kept calling it F A T. Do people actually call it that?
I spoilerized my comments. A couple of other people posted spoilers and I followed like a lemming.

I always pronounced it as "FAT" also, not "F.A.T."
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:31 AM   #163
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I spoilerized my comments. A couple of other people posted spoilers and I followed like a lemming.

I always pronounced it as "FAT" also, not "F.A.T."
This kind of thing I guess bugged me in the same way as the more technical here have been bugged by a lot of the other things. But, that's because I know the term. If I didn't I wouldn't have even noticed it.

The show is still all over the place and we still really know very little about what makes these characters tick. They are all just mostly annoying. I keep coming back to Mad Men because I think that's what they are going for here, but by the end of the first episode or two in Mad Men, we already knew enough about the main characters to get a feel about them. Right now all we know is that they are pretty much all unlikable.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:36 AM   #164
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I guess this is now a spoilers allowed thread? I am not sure why they beat up Joe. Was it just because he was an outsider? I didn't get that.
I think it was at the behest of his boss (the bald guy whose name I can't remember).
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:26 PM   #165
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I guess this is now a spoilers allowed thread? I am not sure why they beat up Joe. Was it just because he was an outsider? I didn't get that.

Also, I've always called the File Allocation Table "FAT" as in not skinny. They kept calling it F A T. Do people actually call it that?

I'm still in, but honestly, I don't know why.
it was his boss showing him who is boss (iow he got his cop buddies to beat him up and arrest him - then he goes to the station and gets him released - an exercise in showing him who is really in charge)

it was a very lame plot device imo

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Old 06-24-2014, 02:15 PM   #166
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Ok, I'll ask. Wtf?
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:30 PM   #167
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Ok, I'll ask. Wtf?
Someone has a Tapatalk fetish.
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:32 AM   #168
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Yeah, the hard drive platters out in the open was stupid.
It's become standard operating procedure for most of the tech sequences... Conceptually correct, individual techniques also true, but actual execution not even in the realm of reality!

But yes, you can take apart a drive and mount its platters into a functional motor unit (and its a valid technique for data recovery specialists to perform) - but yeah, don't want to do that in the open, and certainly not spinning it by hand.

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I keep wondering what the various machines/terminals they're using are (possibly have been answered before). The things that look vaguely like Commodore PETs with built in floppy drives.
There's a number of Zenith Data Systems Z-100 scattered around the office. Those were really nice CP/M machines in the day...

Yet another compromise for a modern audience is the sheer number of computers shown in this 'typical' office. The combination of the high cost and the narrow applications / uses for "PCs" at that time makes that unlikely - more like one unit set out on a desk by itself for people to use when they needed it... The accountant and the executive secretary might have one to themselves. And the chief executive might have one for "show" (unlikely to actually know how to type in those days!).

And for every machine there would have been a hulking printer attached. If you were really lucky you'd have a daisy wheel printer waking the dead at ~16 characters per second.

Now, I want to see some smoking in the office for realism! Especially from the mainframe operators smoking while working on the unit with the access panels open. My first job I watched in horror as the operator did this on more than one occasion! The smoke was so bad in the MIS (we'd call them IT now) department that the CRTs all had a yellow film on them - I could wipe the screens with a paper towel and make nicotine patches out of them if I so desired.


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Old 06-25-2014, 12:50 AM   #169
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Yeah, the technical content has taken a huge dive in the last episode.

Though, a computer on every desk wasn't TOO uncommon - maybe really nice machines, but some companies did put a computer on everybody's desk. After all, we're looking around the early to mid 80's at this point, and I believe even an Apple II was fairly affordable for those who needed a computer (something like starting at $666, and yes, that price is real). Or a Commodore 64.

IBM PCs would be REALLY rare - the basic model started around $5000 or so, and a fully tricked out one could cost $10,000 all said and done.

Anyhow, oddly there's no mention of something the original IBM PC shipped with - ROM BASIC! (A really odd form of BASIC since you had to boot into DOS then run BASIC which jumped into the ROM.) I actually had a program from the ancient days that used it... when you ran it, it came back with "Unable to find ROM BASIC". (I don't know when IBM got rid of it, but I was, coincidentally, running it on an official IBM PC at the time!)
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The Apple ][e (later //e) came out in 1983 for $1395, $1995 with floppy drive and monitor and the full 64KB.


We didn't get computers on all the desks at work until 1995 - when PCs dropped under $1500 so they didn't have to be in the capital plan.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:34 AM   #171
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Unless I missed a post somewhere, no one has mentioned the (to me) 800 pound gorilla in the room. Joe is bi-curious, unless his manhandling of the money lady's boytoy was just a business maneuver.

FWIW, *that* would get you beat by Dallas cops, even as late as the 1980's.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:41 AM   #172
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Considering their business before Joe came was mainframe software, shouldn't you see some 3270 terminals?
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:46 AM   #173
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I think I like the show so far. The alternate history is a bit off putting.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:47 AM   #174
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Unless I missed a post somewhere, no one has mentioned the (to me) 800 pound gorilla in the room. Joe is bi-curious, unless his manhandling of the money lady's boytoy was just a business maneuver.

FWIW, *that* would get you beat by Dallas cops, even as late as the 1980's.
I thought it was pretty obvious that he's bisexual. I don't think it makes a difference.
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Old 06-25-2014, 09:40 AM   #175
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Does Joe's boss know that Joe banged investment lady's boy toy?
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Does Joe's boss know that Joe banged investment lady's boy toy?
As of this weeks episode that was not apparent.
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Old 06-26-2014, 05:49 AM   #178
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Considering their business before Joe came was mainframe software, shouldn't you see some 3270 terminals?
I'd say VT100, VT52, VT320, etc. would be more apt since they weren't selling IBM gear, but competitors thereto.
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:39 AM   #179
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With so many people in this thread who claim they don't like the show, I'm amazed at the number of posts ....I like it, and I'll keep watching. I like the characters and I have a tech crush on Donna...
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I finally got around to watching the 2nd episode and decided the show wasn't for me <shrug>. Ah well, plenty of other stuff I can do instead.
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