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Old 04-03-2014, 01:37 PM   #1
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:30 PM   #2
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the plot was moving along as usual, then claudia admits to elizabeth she's exposed her own true identity and profession to a love interest? really?

that was one step too far for me to accept, coming from the most experienced and seasoned undercover handler. it plays right into mysoginistic stereotypes, and was a major script failure for me.
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the plot was moving along as usual, then claudia admits to elizabeth she's exposed her own true identity and profession to a love interest? really?

that was one step too far for me to accept, coming from the most experienced and seasoned undercover handler. it plays right into mysoginistic stereotypes, and was a major script failure for me.
Yeah, that seemed like a definite WTF moment for me.

Although I'm amused by the little Contra scandle they think they're going to expose when the big one is still to come and leaks from the Iranian side. (But I assume that's the point, the viewer is suppose to feel smart due to their hindsight knowledge)
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I don't know if the writers are beginning to paint themselves into corners or are just trying to be cute, but all of a sudden the series is "getting old". Season 1 was novel. Season two is just another series as far as I'm concerned.
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My bet is Claudia was fibbing...
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My bet is Claudia was fibbing...
hope you're right, it'll be great to watch if the writers try to dig out of this hole.
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:57 PM   #7
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I've been enjoying this season a lot -- much more than the last part of last season, but I agree the writers seem to be writing themselves into a corner. Most characters look like their world is about to come crashing down around them -- I hope the writes don't pull some BS out of their butts to keep things going. The think with Claudia did seem out of place, I hadn't thought she might be fibbing though. Could she be the one that killed the other couple?
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I don't know if the writers are beginning to paint themselves into corners or are just trying to be cute, but all of a sudden the series is "getting old". Season 1 was novel. Season two is just another series as far as I'm concerned.
Certainly disagree. Season 1 was good but had several prominent flaws in my book. For example, the on-again-off-again-on-again-psych!-off-again-no-wait-on-again-fooled you-off-again nature of the Jennings relationship. Season 2 has been uniformly excellent in my book.

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the plot was moving along as usual, then claudia admits to elizabeth she's exposed her own true identity and profession to a love interest? really?

that was one step too far for me to accept, coming from the most experienced and seasoned undercover handler. it plays right into mysoginistic stereotypes, and was a major script failure for me.
Why is it any different than the Navy guy falling for Elizabeth after about two dates and giving her the other guy's file? Or rather, why aren't you rolling your eyes at that too?

It's not a script failure, I don't think; it's likely just pragmatism. Margo Martindale has a full-time job on The Millers. Americans was lucky to get her for a guest shot this season. And The Millers was picked up for a second season, so who knows if Martindale will be available to come back to play Claudia again. The producers likely needed a way to potentially write her off the show.
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Why is it any different than the Navy guy falling for Elizabeth after about two dates and giving her the other guy's file? Or rather, why aren't you rolling your eyes at that too?
the navy guy's actions weren't that far of a stretch, he was portrayed as young, inexperienced, and naive. i don't apply any of those adjectives to claudia, or at least i hadn't before last night.

claudia had shown glimpses of vulnerability before, but that admission was reaching too far out of character, and not in a good way.
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...Season 2 has been uniformly excellent in my book.
Couldn't agree more....and they've really fleshed out the characters more this season, too.
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I think it's continued being excellent as was the first season. One of the things they are trying to show is that they might be spies, but these people are human beings. Margo's character falling for someone I think goes to prove that point. I'm ok with it.

BTW, some interesting ummm intimate scenes this week. And was that Keri Russell's butt or a body double?
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I'm enjoying this season as much as season 1. Sure there are things that don't make a lot of sense, same as every series.
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Old 04-04-2014, 08:49 AM   #14
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I think it's continued being excellent as was the first season. One of the things they are trying to show is that they might be spies, but these people are human beings. Margo's character falling for someone I think goes to prove that point. I'm ok with it.

BTW, some interesting ummm intimate scenes this week. And was that Keri Russell's butt or a body double?
This week we had numerous episodes of coitus (as Sheldon would say), both hetero and homo.
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My bet is Claudia was fibbing...
My bet is that Margo has to go back to do her lame CBS Comedy.

When Claudia said, "Goodbye, Elizabeth," I was waiting for her to drive the car into the bay.

Claudia would have little reason to come out from her cover with her squeeze.
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I'm thinking that the writers are setting up Paige to be the one that blows the cover.
She's gets in deeper and deeper with the church (cult) and then at some point does lik Dana Brody did, "Shutup. My parents are communists."
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I'm thinking that the writers are setting up Paige to be the one that blows the cover.
She's gets in deeper and deeper with the church (cult) and then at some point does lik Dana Brody did, "Shutup. My parents are communists."
Except Paige has no idea her parents are "communists". As far as she knows, her parents are entrepreneurs who sometimes behave rather strangely. (For some reason, Surrender by Cheap Trick is popping into my head...)
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Except Paige has no idea her parents are "communists". As far as she knows, her parents are entrepreneurs who sometimes behave rather strangely. (For some reason, Surrender by Cheap Trick is popping into my head...)
Yeahbut, I mean after Paige catches them and/or they clue her in. They do an awful lot of talking where the kid can hear.
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Couldn't agree more....and they've really fleshed out the characters more this season, too.
I also agree and don't get the harsh criticism in this thread.

And I thought this was the best episode of this season.....
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I also think the show has been excellent this season. My only complaint about this show is "Clark's" marriage. That seems totally unbelievable to me.

One of the parents needs to actually have a talk with Paige instead of just yelling at her and rolling their eyes in exasperation.
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My bet is that Margo has to go back to do her lame CBS Comedy.

When Claudia said, "Goodbye, Elizabeth," I was waiting for her to drive the car into the bay.

Claudia would have little reason to come out from her cover with her squeeze.
I thought exactly the same thing. I figured she thought she would be found out by her boss's and figured it was better than spending years in the Gulag.
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I also think the show has been excellent this season. My only complaint about this show is "Clark's" marriage. That seems totally unbelievable to me.

One of the parents needs to actually have a talk with Paige instead of just yelling at her and rolling their eyes in exasperation.
I wonder if part of the scene where Clark's "sister" comes to talk to his fake wife was done so that there's a reason she stays with Clark. Because he's just an animal in bed (and she will do anything for that to continue).
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I wonder if part of the scene where Clark's "sister" comes to talk to his fake wife was done so that there's a reason she stays with Clark. Because he's just an animal in bed (and she will do anything for that to continue).
Yeah, but when the heck is he home? I can see Clark as being her mysterious, always on the road boyfriend but her husband? No.
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So why the cold welcome from Agent John Boy? Is he upset at Stan for losing his position because of the shooting?
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Yeah, but when the heck is he home? I can see Clark as being her mysterious, always on the road boyfriend but her husband? No.
While I agree, there are definitely people out there that are drawn to the animal magnetism. It always seemed to me that Martha was a spinster, so maybe for any man giving her attention, she's willing to go that extra mile. But, you could see before the sister visit, she was pretty frustrated by the whole experience.
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I can see Clark as being her mysterious, always on the road boyfriend but her husband? No.
yeah, i have a major eye roll every time one of their scenes emerge. to be fair to the writers, i try to keep in mind this is the 80's, and there was more naivete and less social media.
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yeah, i have a major eye roll every time one of their scenes emerge. to be fair to the writers, i try to keep in mind this is the 80's, and there was more naivete and less social media.
And let's not forget that during this era, you would occasionally hear of men who traveled a lot and had 2 different families. It's mind-boggling now, but I remember reading about several different scenarios where that happened.

So, yes, it does stretch the imagination, but it's not completely unbelievable.
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Yeah, but when the heck is he home? I can see Clark as being her mysterious, always on the road boyfriend but her husband? No.
I don't really see the rub, here. From the beginning, Martha has known that "Clark" has a job that is shrouded in secrecy and that keeps him away from home for long periods of time. Why would she think that getting married would change that?

The same logic goes for Paige's situation in regards to her parents. There has never been a time in her life when her parent's didn't behave just like they do now. She may realize that, for example, her parents keep unusual hours in comparison to other kids' parents. But from her own perspective, her parents are acting perfectly normal.
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Except Paige has no idea her parents are "communists". As far as she knows, her parents are entrepreneurs who sometimes behave rather strangely. (For some reason, Surrender by Cheap Trick is popping into my head...)
Paige is becoming more curious about them and doing some spying of her own. Remember when she walked in on them in the bedroom? Yikes! Its only a matter of time before she stumbles on the truth and becomes Dana. While Dana stood up and proclaimed kinda proudly that her dad is a Muslim, I think Paige's religious after school club and the culture she lives in will make her hate her commie parents. Plus she is a teenager so she hates them already.
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Well, there's no real "commie" stuff going on, in or out of the house. Just spycraft.

Now the question is whether or not she would be able to make heads or tails out of any spycraft she might stumble upon.
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