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Old 03-16-2014, 10:42 PM   #1
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The Walking Dead - S04E14 - The Grove

Damn. That was a brutal episode.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:44 PM   #2
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Best episode this season. Left a lump in my throat the size of a basketball.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:49 PM   #3
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:56 PM   #4
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It was another slow one until it took its turn. Rare to see a child killed by one of the good guys in a TV show.

Hopefully we can skip the posting of links to spoilers for next weeks episode this time.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:18 PM   #5
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Did not see that one coming.

It was pretty obvious, though, when they showed Lizzie going through her calming ritual that she had been under professional care at some point...that is, that her mental problems predated the Zombie Apocalypse and were being managed. Too bad Mika was the only one who knew, and wasn't up to the task of helping her manage.

Yet again, the worst horrors in the show aren't the zombies.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:19 PM   #6
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Hopefully we can skip the posting of links to spoilers for next weeks episode this time.
No one is forcing you to click on the link.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:26 PM   #7
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Did they also kill Judith? Why?

She wasn't with then when let left the property.

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Old 03-16-2014, 11:27 PM   #8
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No one is forcing you to click on the link.
Right. I didn't click and knew nothing about the episode.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:31 PM   #9
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Did they also kill Judith? Why?

She wasn't with then when let left the property.

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It looked like Tyreese had Judith wrapped up in a blanket and he was carrying her on his back. You can see it when they come out of the woods and turn on to the railroad tracks, as they are walking away from the walker that is still squirming around on the tracks.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:33 PM   #10
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It looked like Tyreese had Judith wrapped up in a blanket and he was carrying her on his back. You can see it when they come out of the woods and turn on to the railroad tracks, as they are walking away from the walker that is still squirming around on the tracks.
I had to watch it twice but I believe this is correct because I wondered the same thing.
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I'd think they'd make her appearance a little more obvious. I watched it twice and am still not convinced she's there.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:44 PM   #12
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Oh and despite the "twist" I was still bored stiff during this episode.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:46 PM   #13
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Judith was on Tyreese's back.

Definitely a tough episode, but impressive they were willing to go there. I think Carol is one of the great characters on this show; to think about where she started and where she is now, it's pretty amazing.
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Nicely done.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:51 PM   #15
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Did not see that one coming.

It was pretty obvious, though, when they showed Lizzie going through her calming ritual that she had been under professional care at some point...that is, that her mental problems predated the Zombie Apocalypse and were being managed. Too bad Mika was the only one who knew, and wasn't up to the task of helping her manage.

Yet again, the worst horrors in the show aren't the zombies.
I was thinking something like this, and I wondered at the time if that was when Carol realized it too, or did she have an idea?
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:13 AM   #16
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No one is forcing you to click on the link.
I didn't click the link but there was really no reason/need for it to be posted or for the vague follow up discussion.
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I thought it was disingenuous of Carol to force Tyreese to choose whether she gets the death sentence at a time when both of them were needed in order to keep Judith alive. I can understand that she felt she had to be honest with him at that moment, but I would have thought better of her if she said something like, you do not have to decide now...wait until we get somewhere that Judith will be safe before you decide what should happen to me.
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:39 AM   #18
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Did the death of Lizzie remind anyone of "Of Mice and Men" When George killed Lennie? "Look at the flowers".
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Oh and despite the "twist" I was still bored stiff during this episode.
That's just lazy writing ... I was totally bored reading your post.

Wow, yet another amazing episode of great character development (and destruction)!
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Someone, I forget who, posted in spoiler-tags (because of the comic) that this was the direction they were going. It was either last week or the week before, but I have to say, you called it. So please step forwards. Congratulations.

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Old 03-17-2014, 01:03 AM   #21
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Did the death of Lizzie remind anyone of "Of Mice and Men" When George killed Lennie? "Look at the flowers".
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Did the death of Lizzie remind anyone of "Of Mice and Men" When George killed Lennie? "Look at the flowers".
I was just about to post this, We did that play in college and I played George so I remember the scene well. There were definitely echoes of that scene.
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I was saying "just shoot the kid now" since she was feeding the rodent to the walker at the railroad tracks. It was rather obvious where the whole episode was headed. And they took long enough. Considering they had to live with the kids for quite some time behaving like they were -- I'm rather shocked they lasted that long.
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Old 03-17-2014, 02:50 AM   #24
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Bah- they are just making up stuff to fill the time slot.

The whole story line is going nowhere. They're just killing people off.

What was the pillar of smoke all about? And the burned up walkers? Were they playing with matches?

I'm pretty close to dumping the whole series.

Thank goodness there are only two more episodes.
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I thought it was disingenuous of Carol to force Tyreese to choose whether she gets the death sentence at a time when both of them were needed in order to keep Judith alive. I can understand that she felt she had to be honest with him at that moment, but I would have thought better of her if she said something like, you do not have to decide now...wait until we get somewhere that Judith will be safe before you decide what should happen to me.

Why didn't she just shut up about the whole thing.

It's like admitting to being a cheater when no one cares.
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Why didn't she just shut up about the whole thing.

It's like admitting to being a cheater when no one cares.
Well, Tyreese obviously cared. But I agree that it would have been better if she kept it to herself until they were in a much safer place.
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What was the pillar of smoke all about? And the burned up walkers? Were they playing with matches?
My interpretation of that was that it was their way of showing that the timelines of these episode are overlapping with each other and to show that the groups aren't that far apart from each other (just like when we saw Daryl encounter the same group who had been in the house with Rick in an earlier episode).

The smoke would have been from the moonshiners' house that Daryl and Beth burned down a couple of episodes ago. The burned up walkers had walked through that fire and even though they were burned, they weren't destroyed, showing that fire is not an effective way to dispose of walkers.
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I thought it was disingenuous of Carol to force Tyreese to choose whether she gets the death sentence at a time when both of them were needed in order to keep Judith alive. I can understand that she felt she had to be honest with him at that moment, but I would have thought better of her if she said something like, you do not have to decide now...wait until we get somewhere that Judith will be safe before you decide what should happen to me.
That would be "logical," but I think what she did made sense. She's done terrible, terrible things in the name of keeping people generally, and those two girls specifically, safe, and now it was all for nothing. I think she half wanted to die, didn't have the guts to do it herself, and was giving Tyreese the excuse to do it for her.

Let's face it...you execute a little girl you love, that's gonna mess with your head. And logical is probably gonna take a vacation.
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Well, Tyreese obviously cared. But I agree that it would have been better if she kept it to herself until they were in a much safer place.

There is no safe place in the zombie apocalypse. That house is about as safe as it gets.

Really shocking episode. I'm so glad I was spoiler free.

I don't remember anything like that from the comics. If it was there can anyone point out the issue? I'd like to go back and read it.
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I don't remember anything like that from the comics. If it was there can anyone point out the issue? I'd like to go back and read it.
#61.
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Ben is the psycho kid who kills his brother so he'll come back a zombie; Carl is the trigger-man.

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