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Old 08-06-2014, 09:50 PM   #61
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:09 PM   #62
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Now what you are missing is TiVo aims its products solely at the US market which means TiVo needs to look at what their customer base will most likely be using and a quick Google search shows that the US handset market is only now tilting in Android's favor.
About 50% of TiVo subscribers are overseas. US retail market was shrinking for years but is now mostly just stagnant. RCN, a US TiVo MSO, has been pushing TiVo hard on releasing a Android app as Android is what their staff/installers carry. Overseas, here's the Com Hem version of TiVoToGo for Android:

https://www.comhem.se/upptack/nyhete...-android-52296
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...android.comhem

The streaming scenario overseas is different due to more relaxed licensing. For example, I think TiVo's beefing up their cloud offerings and integrations so content comes from the cableco mothership versus box. And maybe recordings will ultimately go into the cloud, as demoed with their nDVR.

Android support was originally described as 'coming soon' - I think they ran into technical issues and/or replaced the team working this. On the iOS side, a prior contractor was acquired. Wonder if that pushed them to move these sorts of skills in house.

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Old 08-07-2014, 03:39 PM   #63
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Last time I looked into comHem, I could not find any indication that they put the transcoder chip in that box. (same for Ono and Virgin).

This made me think it's only useful in the US as a legal loophole (like SlingBox).


I'm betting when the Android app comes out, it will use a Haxe codebase which could mean the iOS implementation should get moved over as well.

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Old 08-08-2014, 06:20 PM   #64
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If TiVo were really worried about fragmentation, they could easily write a Kindle Fire app as a way to prove out the Android platform while having a controlled set of variables. They could also just support Google's reference devices at first.

Fragmentation is a BS excuse at this point. Anyone citing fragmentation is just reaching for something.
Please explain to us how fragmentation is not an issue. Let's start with the support matrix first, then regression testing on all of the devices and all of the different revs.

Annndddd go:
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:52 PM   #65
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Here's a set of HLS test videos for Android for giggles:
http://www.jwplayer.com/html5/hls/

Tivo Stream is at least encrypted.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:29 AM   #66
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Please explain to us how fragmentation is not an issue. Let's start with the support matrix first, then regression testing on all of the devices and all of the different revs.

Annndddd go:
It's not an issue. You make it sound like Android is this impossible to scale mountain. Android already has hundreds of thousands of applications available. There are a lot of people at the top of your mountain laughing.

If what you said was true we'd also never have any Windows applications or games. The PC industry would have collapsed under its own weight two years in. The support and regression testing matrix on PC/Windows is many dimensions larger than Android.

We know how to build abstracted APIs. We know how to write portable code. We know how to do streaming. We know how to display video.

Very similar applications to TiVo's streaming client have already been released on Android and have been around for years. It's BEEN DONE already.

And, if it's still too much of a challenge to do what others have already done, simply don't support every Android device ever released.
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Old 08-09-2014, 09:55 AM   #67
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I did find at least 3 existing implementations from other vendors.

Simple.TV came out Dec 2013, supports Android 2.2+

SiliconDust, came out Jan 2014, requires:
• Android 4.0+ (Ice cream sandwich or higher)
• A NEON compatible ARM processor

Comcast X1 DVR with Cloud, limited release Apr 2014, supports Android 4.0+

Comcast is strange in that when you download a show from the DVR to mobile, it's checked out to the device and unavailable on the DVR.

That leaves missing support:
Tivo
Fios

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Old 08-09-2014, 01:07 PM   #68
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It's not an issue. You make it sound like Android is this impossible to scale mountain. Android already has hundreds of thousands of applications available. There are a lot of people at the top of your mountain laughing.

If what you said was true we'd also never have any Windows applications or games. The PC industry would have collapsed under its own weight two years in. The support and regression testing matrix on PC/Windows is many dimensions larger than Android.

We know how to build abstracted APIs. We know how to write portable code. We know how to do streaming. We know how to display video.

Very similar applications to TiVo's streaming client have already been released on Android and have been around for years. It's BEEN DONE already.

And, if it's still too much of a challenge to do what others have already done, simply don't support every Android device ever released.
I am not saying it is impossible, just that it is harder to support than iOS, that is all.

Too many people have tossed around the idea that it is an easy task, but there are plenty of reasons why it is more difficult. It should not take this long, but there are obviously complications somewhere.
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Old 08-11-2014, 12:51 PM   #69
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Comcast is strange in that when you download a show from the DVR to mobile, it's checked out to the device and unavailable on the DVR.
TiVo floated the idea of doing this with the Stream for protected content. The CableCARD rules prevent them from making another copy of a protected show, but it doesn't specifically prohibit them moving the show to another device. So it would be possible for them to allow downloading a protected show to a mobile device as long as it was simultaneously deleted from the source TiVo and never available on both devices at the same time.

Although the "check out" feature sounds cooler as that would prevent the show from being playable on two devices simultaneously but still allow you to restore it to the DVR if you decide you want to watch it on the TV instead.
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:06 AM   #70
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I like that idea. Especially if the "checkout" checked back on the mobile device. When you would delete it there would be an option to delete or "check it back in" (i.e. make the tivo version active again.

When I go on trips I will dump a bunch of shows on my Ipad. Some I watch and are deleted (would love to have them delete then on my home DVR when I return and sync.) Others I might want to leave for my wife to watch later, so checking them in would be a great choice.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:03 PM   #71
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I believe part of the problem is that Android devices are so easily hacked to provide root access. This would potentially give the user the ability to do whatever with the media that downloads, to get around any restrictions, or to convert the files to other formats.
I have seen apps that refuse to download to rooted android phones.
Although this doesn't really explain why the apple devices don't have any issues with a streaming tivo app.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:20 PM   #72
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you can hack ios just as easily. I don't think that has anything to do with it. I'd bet that they took a gamble and said "wait for a future release" figuring it would save them time and money in the long run and then ran into a problem with that release.

Used to happen to my old company (semiconductors). You'd hit a problem and find out the next version of the tools will help you, so you wait, only to find out the feature you were banking on is not working right and then you scramble to make it work on a botched plan.

Or not.
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:15 PM   #73
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The streams themselves are encrypted using a key exchange that happens via SSL so it's basically impossible for it to be hacked to gain access to the stream. You might be able to brute force the encryption on a download, but if TiVo is smart they've built in a way to update the key remotely should that ever happen.

The Microsoft Media Center software, which is approved by cable labs, stores protected content in a standard file on a system that is completely open and yet the encryption scheme still hasn't been hacked. Which proves that content can be protected regardless of how hackable the system is.
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Old 08-18-2014, 08:16 AM   #74
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Finally....

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Old 08-18-2014, 08:41 AM   #75
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I'll believe it when I see it. If it is true then wow! Android streaming two years after The Stream was released!

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Old 08-18-2014, 08:42 AM   #76
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At least there is a approximate date. I'll be surprised to see it in September though.
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Old 08-18-2014, 09:40 AM   #77
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Now the real question - what software version did they use as the cut off?


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Old 08-18-2014, 11:56 AM   #78
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I'll believe it when I see it.

On or about September 9, 2012 it was launched, it took 2 years..........?
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:25 PM   #79
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On or about September 9, 2012 it was launched, it took 2 years..........?
Yes, and I think Android has to take part of the blame for that. Even many of the big players didn't deliver an android streamer until late last year.

Because IOS and google cannot agree on a streaming protocol the consumers suffer. Did it take too long? Yes.
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I've been streaming on Android with my Slingplayer 350 I got in October 2012.

And before that I was streaming on Android with my Hava HD Platinum.
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I've been streaming on Android with my Slingplayer 350 I got in October 2012.

And before that I was streaming on Android with my Hava HD Platinum.
Not sure what the Hava HD is, but the Slingplayer doesn't have to provide a secure stream... Nobody said it was impossible to stream media on an Android, that has been available since day one - it is about streaming DRM secure video.

Netflix was the first to put out a secure streaming app in May of 2011 using a proprietary toolset, but many of the smaller streamers struggled for a long time having to wait until Kit Kat was released in September 2013.
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Announced today via Twitter by TiVo, stream comes to android next month
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So the question I have isn't related to Amazon Fire tablets... what about Fire TV??
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So the question I have isn't related to Amazon Fire tablets... what about Fire TV??
Boy, that sounds like quite a bit of wishful thinking!!!!!
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With this little tidbit and based on the reading I have done, I think it is very possible they decided moved to MPEG-DASH - as some have suggested.

Thanks Margret the Android users are looking forward to this release!
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Thanks Margret the Android users are looking forward to this release!

Well, the ones who haven't moved on are.
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4.1? That's great then since my cell phone and tablet are using version 4.4.x. I'm looking forward to trying it out next month!

Thanks for the info!!
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