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Old 10-07-2014, 02:13 PM   #1
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Finally ready for HD - Which way to go?

Since nobody has started this topic under DirecTV since 2007 I thought it might be nice to get an update.

It took me all of one month of retirement to kill my old SD TV so of course I am jumping to a 60 inch HD Plasma with 3D and Wi-fi. That means I need a Blu-Ray and DirecTV HD service.

My current setup:

Phase III oval dish feeding my trusty and much-valued DSR6000 with 500 SD hours and a D12-100 DirecTV standard receiver in the bedroom for a Series 2 TiVo and a 21 inch SD TV.

I want to keep my DSR6000 as long as DirecTV will support it. Love the remote management capability with TivoWebPlus along with the flexible padding with EndPadPlus and download capability with Tytools. Also have saved/replaced the hard drive multiple times.

I guess the big question is whether I sacrifice the TiVo interface to add a Genie to the mix or sacrifice newer features to get a THR22 and keep the TiVo interface albeit without the features I love on the DSR6000. The new TV will have all the online features that I could want and I'm not interested in the networking that the Genie provides. I don't really even need a DVR in the bedroom. The five-tuner capability of the Genie is the real draw in my eyes.

Along with the features I mentioned for the DSR6000, being able to recover the contents of the disk is a paramount concern as we tend to get very far behind on our network shows. For instance we are nearly a year behind right now. I know - record fewer shows. The other possibility the new TV provides is online services to get old episodes.

So, I guess it's a Genie versus a THR22. If the THR22 would be the best bet, is there any disadvantage to getting a large capacity one from Weaknees?

Any advice, especially pointing out anything that I have factually wrong, is appreciated.
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Old 10-07-2014, 10:25 PM   #2
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The THR22 is a decent DVR but as you already know doesn't support whole home dvr and a few other features of the genie and modern tivo's, its a good choice for folks with older TiVos who just want to add HD without relearning anything.

The HR44 genie is a very good dvr, if your used to tivo will be a bit of a change but does basically everything as good, many things much better, and some things not as good. The genie supports many additional features, the major one's are whole home DVR, PIP,directv app(remote management), and 5 tuners. Also EndPadPlus is basically built in all directv branded dvr's 30 seconds before and 90 seconds after, if no conflicts. Also if shows run back to back on same channel padding can be added without using additional tuner.

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Old 10-08-2014, 01:33 AM   #3
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The THR22 is a decent DVR but as you already know doesn't support whole home dvr and a few other features of the genie and modern tivo's, its a good choice for folks with older TiVos who just want to add HD without relearning anything.

The HR44 genie is a very good dvr, if your used to tivo will be a bit of a change but does basically everything as good, many things much better, and some things not as good. The genie supports many additional features, the major one's are whole home DVR, PIP,directv app(remote management), and 5 tuners. Also EndPadPlus is basically built in all directv branded dvr's 30 seconds before and 90 seconds after, if no conflicts. Also if shows run back to back on same channel padding can be added without using additional tuner.
I really like the idea that it will pad that way and I guess I need to research the capabilities of the app. What doesn't it do as well as the THR22? Don't I remember something about the DTV DVRs not doing the equivalent of Wishlists?
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Old 10-08-2014, 07:50 AM   #4
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First, let me state that I'm a TiVo fan. I lived with a THR22 for 2.5 years before finally relinquishing it nearly two years ago for a Genie (I was a beta tester, in case you're doing the math). I haven't looked back since!

I now have the HR44 and an HR21 in the bedroom for a total of seven tuners, plus whole home. I also have a Smart TV and a BRD player with apps, so I don't need to stream from the box.

I can search and do just about everything I could on the TiVo-powered box, plus the aforementioned whole home and, if I want it, On Demand works (it doesn't on the THR22!). In fact, the only thing I miss is the guide. The D* boxes go part-way, but IMHO, the TiVo screen is the best.

That said, I wouldn't go back to the THR22 (I still have it), so form your own opinion and go with your gut. Remember also that you will pay an extra $5 a month for the 'privilege' of the TiVo interface.
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Old 10-08-2014, 08:56 AM   #5
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I really like the idea that it will pad that way and I guess I need to research the capabilities of the app. What doesn't it do as well as the THR22? Don't I remember something about the DTV DVRs not doing the equivalent of Wishlists?
directv has autorecord which is similar to wishlist, wife has many setup.

The directv smart search is pretty powerful, and most people don't even realize all it can do.

Here is a C&P from solid signal on search

Smart Search on DIRECTV receivers is pretty smart. It can predict what you want as you're typing and even suggest likely matches. Did you know it's even smarter than that?

What if you could use Smart Search to create complex conditions like, "Show me all programs that contain the word HOUSE in the title on channel 229." You can!

The key is using search keywords. These are hidden parts of the smart search system and although they're hard to use, they are very powerful. The search keywords are:

AALL (boolean AND operator) all the following words must be contained within search results
AANY (boolean OR operator) at least one of the following words must be contained within results
NNOT (boolean NOT operator) exclude programs that contain any of the following words in results
TTITLE Limits the search to the Title field of the Programs
NNAME Limits the search to the Name field (e.g. Actors, Director) of the programs
CCAT Limits the search to programs in the specified category
AABOUT Limits the search to the Info/description text of programs
CCHANS Limits the search to programs on specified channel (one number) or range (two numbers)

These words are intentionally spelled with extra letters so that they don't interfere with ordinary searches. Putting them in a search adds power to that search.

Start with AANY and AALL. Putting these words first will either give you a result that matches any of the words that come after it or all of the words that come after it. Here are some examples:

AANY TREK WARS SEARCH will give you results like Star Trek, Star Wars and Star Search because each of these has at least one of those words.
AALL TREK WARS SEARCH will probably not return anything unless there is a show like Trek to Search for the Wars because all of the words must be there.

You can then add NNOT to limit what you find. For example:

AALL LAW ORDER will find all Law and Order shows.
AALL LAW ORDER NNOT INTENT will find all [i]Law and Order[i] shows except Criminal Intent because it has INTENT in the name.

If you want to limit things further, use TTITLE, NNAME, CCAT and AABOUT. Here are some examples.

AALL LAW ORDER TTITLE would work better because it won't look through the program descriptions, just the title.
KING NNAME will find Larry King but won't find The King of Queens because it's looking only at names.
AANY LIONS TIGERS CCAT SPORTS will find Detroit sports teams but won't find shows about animals, because only sports are searched.
BATTERIES AABOUT will find shows about making batteries but not the movie Batteries Not Included because only descriptions are searched.

Finally, you can search only by a single channel or a range of channels. For example:

AALL CSI CCHANS 2 will only find CSI shows on channel 2.
AALL BEARS CCHANS 206 210 will find shows about the Bears on the ESPN channels


As you can see it can be very powerful and you can use this sort of search to combine series links. Looking at the example above, if you CBS channel is 2, AALL CSI CCHANS 2 will find all the CSIs on the network without the ones on other channels, and do it all on one series link.

To look at the example at the beginning... it's easy! AALL HOUSE TTITTLE CCHANS 229 will do the trick!


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Old 10-08-2014, 08:59 AM   #6
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I really like the idea that it will pad that way and I guess I need to research the capabilities of the app. What doesn't it do as well as the THR22? Don't I remember something about the DTV DVRs not doing the equivalent of Wishlists?
I would say most people would say the guide isn't as good as tivo, its not bad and I actually prefer it, but most like my wife like the tivo guide better.
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Here is some good info videos from solid signal about directv dvr so you can make the right decision for you.

Directv voice control included in directv app
http://youtu.be/92RBvcr0jLw
Manage series links(season passes)
http://youtu.be/r3evjsYwsLI
Directv On demand
http://youtu.be/s-Y8fcdd-2k
Startover
http://youtu.be/lubYVQ5l43g
TV apps
http://youtu.be/rfV7EcIHjcg

Double play(dual live buffer) and a PIP
http://youtu.be/n8rQM3lX8fM

Filter guide
http://youtu.be/kjBP5rxqfyY

old directv app video, but can get general idea, didn't look hard enough for a current one, looks to me only thing missing is voice control and a few recording features though.
http://youtu.be/fSY2I4whc-4

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Old 10-08-2014, 04:12 PM   #8
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I have both the THR22 and the HR44. My wife prefers the TiVo UI, which is why we have the THR22. The THR22 does have "deleted items" and "recording history" (showing why programs didn't record), but lacks many features the HR44 has. I agree that the TiVo UI is easier to navigate than the DirecTV UI (which I find has too many nested menus), but there are also more things to do in the DirecTV UI.
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:46 PM   #9
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I have both the THR22 and the HR44. My wife prefers the TiVo UI, which is why we have the THR22. The THR22 does have "deleted items" and "recording history" (showing why programs didn't record), but lacks many features the HR44 has. I agree that the TiVo UI is easier to navigate than the DirecTV UI (which I find has too many nested menus), but there are also more things to do in the DirecTV UI.
I agree directv should have made some highly used menu's have a direct button. You can enable shortcuts though...


Do a keyword search for MENUSC on you Genie will enable shortcuts

This keyword search gives you {MENU}+# codes kind of like the old TiVo used to give. Press {MENU} followed by a number and you'll jump straight to somewhere that used to take a lot longer to get to.

Menu 0. Settings
Menu 1. Movies
Menu 2. Sports
Menu 3. TV Shows
Menu 4. Smart Search
Menu 5. On Demand
Menu 6. Playlist
Menu 7. Manage Recordings (Really the only one I use)
Menu 8. YouTube
Menu 9. Pandora

As always keyword search 30SKIP gives you 30 second skip vs slip. Unilke tivo though reboots don't remove feature.

Not sure you meant to mislead him but directv dvr's do have a history list of recorded items, cancelled, why something didn't record etc... you just made it sound like they didn't.

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It was my error.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:24 AM   #11
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If staying with DirecTV is a given, I'd go with the Genie over the THR22. The Genie is equivalent in functionality to the Roamio DVRs, the THR22 is much less capable.
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