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Old 01-08-2014, 11:19 AM   #91
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I don't suppose they'll announce android streaming at CES?
CES 2014 or CES 2015?
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:31 AM   #92
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What do you mean direct connect without a proxy?
I blame my OOH streaming quality issues on the proxy connection. When I've tried to stream OOH in the past I'm doing it with 5mbs up with the Roamio directly connected to my FIOS router. I'm pulling down the stream on my iPhone which was also connected to FIOS with a 20mbs down connection. The pixalation and constant freezes and overall quality of the stream was horrible. My best guess is that my connection to the proxy isn't very good...directly connecting to my Roamio would give me the best shot at a watchable experience.
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With this the 2nd day of CES, its sure quiet on the Tivo front. Would have expected something more than a lame video of folks trying to watch TV too long.

Really had expected some major announcements from Tivo this year. The networked DVR is nothing more than a mini with slightly different software to access a remote server rather than a local one. Big deal.
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:20 PM   #94
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The network DVR is a big deal for TiVo. You have to keep in mind, partner deals are more important to them than retail DVR customers. CableCard will die eventually, and there's no guarantee there will be a replacement. This may be the only hope for the TiVo interface and service at some date in the future.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:08 PM   #95
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With this the 2nd day of CES, its sure quiet on the Tivo front. Would have expected something more than a lame video of folks trying to watch TV too long.

Really had expected some major announcements from Tivo this year. The networked DVR is nothing more than a mini with slightly different software to access a remote server rather than a local one. Big deal.
I agree - first time in years they have a booth and we get people watching TV.

All the future functionality and near term enhancements are still being discussed in invitation only closed door meetings.

Kind of dissapointing...
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:17 PM   #96
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With this the 2nd day of CES, its sure quiet on the Tivo front. Would have expected something more than a lame video of folks trying to watch TV too long.
Now that the major press conferences are about over, you will see the companies like TiVo make their announcements. My guess is they are saving a few of their announcements until near the end of CES. I wouldn't expect anything earth shattering this year though.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:20 PM   #97
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At this point Android Stream support would be earth shattering. I'm hoping now it will show up by the 2014 NFL season. And to think I was hoping I would be able to use a stream with the 2012 NFL season.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:42 PM   #98
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Watching Tebow greet the TV watchers right now... But I don't think they are going to make it.. They look pretty dead.
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CES 2014: TiVo reveals second screen viewing behaviour

http://www.iptv-news.com/2014/01/ces...ing-behaviour/

TiVo data indicates that overall, 78% of ‘streaming-capable’ TiVo subscribers are streaming content to their mobile devices at least once per month since in-home capability was launched in September 2012. Additionally, the average number of streaming sessions per month has increased by almost 50% in the second half of the year, while the time spent on streaming sessions is up 20% per user on a monthly basis.

No mention that is for iOS devices only and us Android users have been left out in the DARK.
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:00 PM   #100
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The fact that there was another announcement from TiVo at all is good news. Maybe we still have hope that more things will be revealed.
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:50 PM   #101
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so far, yahoo! wins my vote for best presentation at 2014 ces :


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That was terrible! Until Kenan came out every joke she told fell completely flat. I felt like I could hear crickets chirping. Even after Kenan came out the laughs were sparse.
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Old 01-08-2014, 05:13 PM   #103
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That was terrible! Until Kenan came out every joke she told fell completely flat. I felt like I could hear crickets chirping. Even after Kenan came out the laughs were sparse.
It was the completely wrong audience to do that skit with. Someone should of realized that before sending them out there. It isn't surprising that Yahoo doesn't get their audience considering they called everyone that didn't live on the coast "normals" aka idiots.
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:53 AM   #104
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The network DVR is a big deal for TiVo. You have to keep in mind, partner deals are more important to them than retail DVR customers. CableCard will die eventually, and there's no guarantee there will be a replacement. This may be the only hope for the TiVo interface and service at some date in the future.
If this is the 'only hope' I will no longer be a Tivo customer at that point.
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"He also confirmed that TiVo has 4K/Ultra HD support on product roadmap, and that the company expects to support native 4K later this year on its new retail-focused Roamio line of DVRs, MSO-distributed TiVo hardware, and on software that it ports to third-party DVRs from suppliers such as Pace."

"Because 4K is in the early stages of deployment, he views 4K support as a “future-proofing” measure. “We’re still trying to judge the timing on it,” he said."

http://www.multichannel.com/distribu...ork-dvr/147562
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"He also confirmed that TiVo has 4K/Ultra HD support on product roadmap, and that the company expects to support native 4K later this year on its new retail-focused Roamio line of DVRs, MSO-distributed TiVo hardware, and on software that it ports to third-party DVRs from suppliers such as Pace."

"Because 4K is in the early stages of deployment, he views 4K support as a “future-proofing” measure. “We’re still trying to judge the timing on it,” he said."

http://www.multichannel.com/distribu...ork-dvr/147562
That Virgin Media is testing the network DVR from TiVo is interesting. Virgin is one of TiVo's biggest partners and is owned by Liberty Media, who owns a significant stake in Charter. I know Tom Rutledge killed Charter's TiVo trials when he came on board at Charter but this gives me hope that TiVo still has a chance at some point with Charter here in the US.
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"He also confirmed that TiVo has 4K/Ultra HD support on product roadmap, and that the company expects to support native 4K later this year on its new retail-focused Roamio line of DVRs, MSO-distributed TiVo hardware, and on software that it ports to third-party DVRs from suppliers such as Pace."

"Because 4K is in the early stages of deployment, he views 4K support as a “future-proofing” measure. “We’re still trying to judge the timing on it,” he said."

http://www.multichannel.com/distribu...ork-dvr/147562
TiVo was late on HD TV, as I got my first HDTV in 2004 and had to use a Comcast DVR to record HDTV until 2006 when TiVo came out with an $800 HD DVR (the original Series 3), so now they will be early on 4K!!, to get true 4K will require much more bandwidth than normal HDTV, whatever the compression used (if used on both types of xmission). What I don't understand is the need of any DVR if your program(s) are in the cloud, you just need a interface to download and watch. A DVR without a hard drive is well not a DVR IMHO. Now in your home a TP or Roamio can serve as cloud storage for a TiVo Mini, but your still controlling the total system.
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TiVo was late on HD TV, as I got my first HDTV in 2004 and had to use a Comcast DVR to record HDTV until 2006 when TiVo came out with an $800 HD DVR (the original Series 3), so now they will be early on 4K!!, to get true 4K will require much more bandwidth than normal HDTV, whatever the compression used (if used on both types of xmission). What I don't understand is the need of any DVR if your program(s) are in the cloud, you just need a interface to download and watch. A DVR without a hard drive is well not a DVR IMHO. Now in your home a TP or Roamio can serve as cloud storage for a TiVo Mini, but your still controlling the total system.
You had an HD DVR in 2004? I had an HD cable box that got about 4 channels, was a special cable box (my main cable box didn't do HD) and didn't have a DVR in it.

My original S3 was my first HD DVR.
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"He also confirmed that TiVo has 4K/Ultra HD support on product roadmap, and that the company expects to support native 4K later this year on its new retail-focused Roamio line of DVRs, MSO-distributed TiVo hardware, and on software that it ports to third-party DVRs from suppliers such as Pace."

"Because 4K is in the early stages of deployment, he views 4K support as a “future-proofing” measure. “We’re still trying to judge the timing on it,” he said."

http://www.multichannel.com/distribu...ork-dvr/147562
Gee, I wonder how they expect to change the hardware in the Roamios to handle 4k? IE the statement is out of whack. Tivo may indeed support 4k on a future device, but the Roamio hardware currently being sold will not.


Overall for Tivo putting up a full display and all at CES this year, they announced very little new and none of the things that were anticipated. No android support, no new Amazon client, no new partners to speak of.
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I asked @tivomargret via Twitter about any "real" announcements and all she said was this:
We're showing the Opera TV Store with 100+ free apps for Series4 and Series5 TiVo boxes.

wow, really? 100+ worthless Roku like apps? thanks Tivo!
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I got my first HD TiVos in May 2004. It worked with OTA and DirecTV.

Prior to that I had to use a couple of HTPCs to record and watch my HD content. A couple of HiPix DTV200 cards. I started using them in 2001 to recrod HD. But it was basically a digtal VCR that recorded OTA HD. I was so glad when I got a couple of the HD TiVos in 2004 and could stop monitoring all my HD recordings to make sure the shows came on at the time I had set.
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I'd be happiest if I could stream from my Roamio to my Samsung Smart TVs via an Opera App.
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4k support is interesting when coupled with the Netflix & Amazon announcements at CES.

Also, 4K support could potentially lead to four simultaneous 1080p screens in a 2x2 grid or six 720p screens in a 3x3 grid. I never understood why TiVo never explored this option, multiple live TV screens, would be epic for Football and News junkies.
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Why try to watch multiple live stations simultaneously when you can just record them and watch them one at a time? And why are you watching live TV at all? The whole point of TiVo is to record everything and watch whatever you want whenever you want.
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You had an HD DVR in 2004? I had an HD cable box that got about 4 channels, was a special cable box (my main cable box didn't do HD) and didn't have a DVR in it.

My original S3 was my first HD DVR.
Comcast (in CT) had a HD DVR at the end of 2004, it only had 15 or 20 hour of storage. Few stations were in HD at that time, most of our family recording was with the Series 2 analog, not in HD. Cable Co starting HD xmission in 2003.
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Why try to watch multiple live stations simultaneously when you can just record them and watch them one at a time? And why are you watching live TV at all? The whole point of TiVo is to record everything and watch whatever you want whenever you want.
Because you like to football sports book look with multiple games on.

Or at least that why one of my friends does that - with multiple DirecTV DVRs driving it so he can replay anything interesting for everone over watching football and tracking their various fantasy teams.

Don't entirely get that myself, but it's certainly an impressive collection of screens. A projector which is usually on the Red Zone channels, one monitor with the scoreboard channel, and 4 or 5 more with individual games on.
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Why try to watch multiple live stations simultaneously when you can just record them and watch them one at a time? And why are you watching live TV at all? The whole point of TiVo is to record everything and watch whatever you want whenever you want.
Sometimes when watching something on Comcast Video on Demand I won't get back to the program prior to Comcast losing my position in the program. Then I have to replay the entire program I've watched, including commercials, until I get back to where I was. Since I've got two TiVos, I switch to the other one during the playback and then back to the Video on Demand recording when I think it's at my restart point. Two screens would be a nicer solution to the problem, assuming Comcast never allows fast forward during viewing. And it would also give people a trick to do something more interesting during Comcast's irritating VOD commercials.
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VOD is an app isn't it? Not sure this feature would even work with that. I know it technically uses a tuner to function, but it's still being controlled by the app so I doubt that even if this feature existed you'd be able to push it to a PIP window while you watch something else. This would be more for live TV stuff. I know some people use it for sports, but even then you can't actually watch 2 things at once so you're either constantly darting your eyes between them or watching one and ignoring the other. But I'm not a sports guy, so maybe I don't understand.
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I asked @tivomargret via Twitter about any "real" announcements and all she said was this:
We're showing the Opera TV Store with 100+ free apps for Series4 and Series5 TiVo boxes.

wow, really? 100+ worthless Roku like apps? thanks Tivo!
Could one of the apps be Amazon Prime Instant Streaming???

I have having to switch to my PS3 to watch that.
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