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Old 11-22-2013, 11:28 PM   #1
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An Adventure in Space and Time (OAD 11/22/2013, Spoilers)

Well, I don't know if you can have spoilers about a docudrama, but...

Casting on the show was excellent all around. David Bradley was amazing at playing William Hartnell. I loved the fact that they filmed so much at BBC Television Centre, making good use of the now vacant facility and adding an air of authenticity to the whole thing.

The only major quibble I had was the very end, when they had an appearance from Matt Smith. Not only was it an incredibly on the nose way of making the point, it really took me out of the historical authenticity they had worked so hard over the previous 2 hours to establish. It was really ham-handed, if you ask me.

I would have also liked to see them look a bit longer at Delia Derbyshire and the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. It's a shame that the only thing they showed about it was 2 seconds of Derbyshire playing the theme on the synthesizer.

In the end, I found it a particularly touching story.
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Old 11-23-2013, 12:15 AM   #2
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I like it. I was amazed at how well the actors resembled who they played.

I liked the how William saw Matt, even though it went a tic or two too long. It showed that his legacy as the Doctor went on.
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:20 AM   #3
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Such an excellent program. I enjoyed it thoroughly!
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Old 11-23-2013, 05:56 AM   #4
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A very good article about Delia here:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11...ents_examined/


This article from 3 years ago might give some clues to tracking down more footage of her:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11...who_interview/
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Old 11-23-2013, 06:12 AM   #5
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It was very good. If Matt Smith's appearance was ham handed, call me Porky Pig cause it choked me up. He wasn't there. It was a vision. And why not. The Doctor is a Time Lord. I thought it a wonderful surprise.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:49 AM   #6
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I, too, loved Matt's appearance at the end. To me, it was a great way of showing the endurance and love for the show for 50(+++) years and how regeneration has kept it alive as it were.

I was amazed at how close in appearance to the real people the actors were. Bradley showing his versatility after becoming known as Filch and, of course, the shopkeeper in Broadchurch.

What really did surprise me was how relatively young Hartnell was. I didn't realize he was only in his mid-fifties, even if they did make a point of him saying he 'loves to play older'. I liked the way they showed how being the Doctor made him love kids after having no time for his granddaughter in the beginning.
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:47 AM   #7
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Add me to the "Did not like Matt Smith's appearance" camp. Otherwise, this show was absolutely wonderful.

I'd like to thank BBC America for broadcasting this. I also aim double middle finger salute at BBC America for crapping all over the right side of my tv screen with their needless reminder that the 50th Anniversary show was 1 day away and a TARDIS graphic. This is definitely the most obnoxious channel that I watch. I'll watch the first couple minutes of the 50th anniversary episode. If it's the same then off to the internet I go to find a BBC copy.
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I think a better way of conveying the point that they were trying to make with Smith's appearance would have been a CGI transition to a montage of all the Doctors in the TARDIS control room, not just Smith.

I think only showing Smith sort of defeats the point they were trying to make, in that instead of tying Hartnell to the line of actors to play the Doctor, it ties him to only one. With us about to see Hurt play a heretofore unknown Doctor, not to mention the very imminent transition from Smith to Capaldi, it seems wrongly specific to only feature Smith, not to mention shortly to be very dated.

I think the other problem with that scene was that this movie was never about the Doctor. It was about the actor playing the first Doctor. On the other hand, to me, that didn't feel like Smith there, that felt like Smith's Doctor there. It's a subtle distinction, but an important one, as it adds to the reasons that scene failed for me.
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I think a better way of conveying the point that they were trying to make with Smith's appearance would have been a CGI transition to a montage of all the Doctors in the TARDIS control room, not just Smith.

I think only showing Smith sort of defeats the point they were trying to make, in that instead of tying Hartnell to the line of actors to play the Doctor, it ties him to only one. With us about to see Hurt play a heretofore unknown Doctor, not to mention the very imminent transition from Smith to Capaldi, it seems wrongly specific to only feature Smith, not to mention shortly to be very dated.

It seemed silly to just have Smith (or Smith's Doctor) there when there are 9 other Doctors in the legacy, maybe even 10 or 11 if Hurt and/or Capaldi are to be included.
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It seemed silly to just have Smith (or Smith's Doctor) there when there are 9 other Doctors in the legacy
In that shot we had the beginning and the current, an appropriate image, implying the stream in between. Worked for me; I saw, in Smith, all the other doctors and those to come.

Nice image, nice show, amazing impersonation of Hartnell.
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I agree that Matt Smith's appearance at the end was jarring, but that may also be because he's my least favorite doctor. During his whole run, Doctor Who has been like a grimm's fairy tale instead of a scifi show. I'm hoping that changes after Capaldi comes on board in December.
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In that shot we had the beginning and the current, an appropriate image, implying the stream in between. Worked for me; I saw, in Smith, all the other doctors and those to come.

Nice image, nice show, amazing impersonation of Hartnell.
I saw a very limited budget
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I had a brief laugh at the enormous hairdo on the actress who played the Doctor's companion Barbara.
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I think a better way of conveying the point that they were trying to make with Smith's appearance would have been a CGI transition to a montage of all the Doctors in the TARDIS control room, not just Smith. I think only showing Smith sort of defeats the point they were trying to make, in that instead of tying Hartnell to the line of actors to play the Doctor, it ties him to only one. With us about to see Hurt play a heretofore unknown Doctor, not to mention the very imminent transition from Smith to Capaldi, it seems wrongly specific to only feature Smith, not to mention shortly to be very dated. I think the other problem with that scene was that this movie was never about the Doctor. It was about the actor playing the first Doctor. On the other hand, to me, that didn't feel like Smith there, that felt like Smith's Doctor there. It's a subtle distinction, but an important one, as it adds to the reasons that scene failed for me.
You are kidding. Wow. What a completely stretched thought that is. The TV movie existed because of the 50th anniversary. Who is the Doctor at the 50th anniversary? To say it ties him with just one doctor is absurd.

As for dated, even ALL the Doctors to date would become just as dated.
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Who is the Doctor at the 50th anniversary?
John Hurt. (Equally valid: David Tennant. )
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I totally missed this show and it sounds interesting. I searched but could not find if BBCA is showing it again. Does anyone know if its going to be repeated?

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John Hurt. (Equally valid: David Tennant. )
But not as valid as Matt Smith, who was the Doctor on Nov. 22, and remains the Doctor on Nov. 24, and therefore was the Doctor on the 50th Anniversary.
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But not as valid as Matt Smith, who was the Doctor on Nov. 22, and remains the Doctor on Nov. 24, and therefore was the Doctor on the 50th Anniversary.
At least until Christmas
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At least until Christmas
But that's AFTER the 50th Anniversary, which has now passed.
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Yes he is.
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Yes he is.
Who?
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What is the name of the Doctor?
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No, Who is the name of the Doctor.

(Except, it isn't).
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I totally missed this show and it sounds interesting. I searched but could not find if BBCA is showing it again. Does anyone know if its going to be repeated?

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It's available as a Bittorrent file online.
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Keep an eye out for some nice cameos in this. William Russell (Ian) as the security guard. Also Carole Ann Ford (Susan), and a brief glimpse of Jean Marsh (Sara Kingdom, Morgaine) and Anneke Wills (Polly) at the party.
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It's available as a Bittorrent file online.
Thanks. It turns out that BBCA did repeat it on Sun and I was able to get it. Problem now is making time to see it as I still have a lot of regular shows to catch up!!

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No, Who is the name of the Doctor.

(Except, it isn't).
Except it is. In this movie and the various behind the scenes specials the crew and the actor themselves call him "Doctor Who."

What amazes me is how much they had down from the beginning - just about everything except the alien monsters and regeneration.

They ever said that the appearance of the TARDIS was stuck in 1960. I guess that saved them from having to make new TARDIS props for every show.

Maybe only Star Trek had that much from the beginning.
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Except it is. In this movie and the various behind the scenes specials the crew and the actor themselves call him "Doctor Who."
Um, no, only people not familiar with the show call the character "Doctor Who." Anyone remotely familiar will use the correct reference, "the Doctor."

Now, for the last year or so, we've had several wink-and-nod references in storyline that ask the question "Doctor Who?" That, however, doesn't change the fact that the character is properly referred to as "the Doctor," not "Doctor Who."
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