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Old 05-07-2014, 10:17 AM   #1
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Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D "Ragtag" OAD 5-6-2014

I really liked this episode going "old school". Prepare for a large file transfer...literally.
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:39 AM   #2
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I can't believe that Ward drew down on that dog. And, apparently, killed him in the end anyway.

He's on a short path to becoming a full blown psychopath, like Garrett. His only saving grace is that he knew FitzSimmons would probably survive the fall from the bus.

But, he's not redeemable. He's still gotta die.
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:40 AM   #3
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Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D "Ragtag" OAD 5-6-2014

Loved the Howling Commandos gadgets!

This was the first episode where it felt like the characters were who they were supposed to be. Everything clicked.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:00 AM   #4
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I'm not wild about all the gadgetry... the joy buzzer was fine, as it directly affected the Garrett story, but some of the others were there just to be used when the writers couldn't think of anything else.
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"Get ready for a large file transfer."
I'm still laughing.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:02 AM   #6
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I can't believe that Ward drew down on that dog. And, apparently, killed him in the end anyway.

He's on a short path to becoming a full blown psychopath, like Garrett. His only saving grace is that he knew FitzSimmons would probably survive the fall from the bus.

But, he's not redeemable. He's still gotta die.
Given some of his behavior in this episode, I'm starting to be afraid they really are going to try to rehabilitate him. I would accept it, with reluctance, if he has a change of heart and dies in a heroic sacrifice for the team; but if they try to make him a good guy regular again, I'm out. It's too late. They know that, right?
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:04 AM   #7
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Prepare for a large file transfer...literally.
Yeah, that was good.
I'd had just a moment to thing "hey, what? I thought there weren't any computers" and then *crash*!
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:54 AM   #8
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I can't believe that Ward drew down on that dog. And, apparently, killed him in the end anyway..
Interesting take, I had assumed that Ward let him go after the shot and it was Garrett that had him in the sights..


However I am all for NOT redeeming Ward, have the cajones to kill him off, after all it IS a Whedon show
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:04 PM   #9
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I think Ward is being set up to be the Big Bad. Replace Garret, head some part of Hydra, be the organizing force that Coulsons team goes up against.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:08 PM   #10
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Yeah, that was good.
I'd had just a moment to thing "hey, what? I thought there weren't any computers" and then *crash*!
I guessed what they were doing before it happened, but it was still hysterical.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:18 PM   #11
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I guessed what they were doing before it happened, but it was still hysterical.
Agreed on both counts.

I also think it may have been Garrett that shot the dog. They didn't make it obvious.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:58 PM   #12
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Interesting take, I had assumed that Ward let him go after the shot and it was Garrett that had him in the sights..
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I also think it may have been Garrett that shot the dog. They didn't make it obvious.
I'm 99 44/100 % sure that Ward let the dog go and that it was Garrett that killed it with the telescopic sight.

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Old 05-07-2014, 01:03 PM   #13
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However I am all for NOT redeeming Ward, have the cajones to kill him off, after all it IS a Whedon show
And even better if they have the cojones do to it, since I am not sure why dresser drawers have to do with it.
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Old 05-07-2014, 01:25 PM   #14
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I'm not wild about all the gadgetry... the joy buzzer was fine, as it directly affected the Garrett story, but some of the others were there just to be used when the writers couldn't think of anything else.
I'm pretty sure that most of that gadgetry was straight from the Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. comic book.

I don't see Ward coming back to the team at all and I don't see the need if Triplett is around.
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Interesting take, I had assumed that Ward let him go after the shot and it was Garrett that had him in the sights..


However I am all for NOT redeeming Ward, have the cajones to kill him off, after all it IS a Whedon show
Yeah, that would make more sense. Considering that Garrett is a total psycho, bereft of any human decency.
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And even better if they have the cojones do to it, since I am not sure why dresser drawers have to do with it.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:37 PM   #18
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Ward clearly shot into the air and the dog ran off. He even forshadowed before when he had the scope on the deer, saying something like "Stupid dog always runs off when he hears a gunshot". I didn't see the dog die...did I miss something?
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Ward clearly shot into the air and the dog ran off. He even forshadowed before when he had the scope on the deer, saying something like "Stupid dog always runs off when he hears a gunshot". I didn't see the dog die...did I miss something?
There was a quick shot, just before Ward released the compartment with FitzSimmons into the big blue, of the running dog through the crosshairs of a rifle scope.
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It's a long time pet peeve for me, like someone going "if he had the sofas for it!". It makes no sense.
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Old 05-07-2014, 03:18 PM   #21
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Interesting take, I had assumed that Ward let him go after the shot and it was Garrett that had him in the sights..
That's my take as well. I also don't remember Garrett actually shooting; I assumed that he was just watching the dog run free through his sight as otherwise it was too far away to see.
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That's my take as well. I also don't remember Garrett actually shooting; I assumed that he was just watching the dog run free through his sight as otherwise it was too far away to see.
We saw the dog in the sight, but didn't hear a shot, What I took away was that Garrett was watching through the sight and saw Ward's weakness.
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To me the show clearly implied that Ward shot the dog with the scope rifle. It paralleled him dumping FitzSimmons into the ocean. If they wanted us to believe Garret was watching through the scope, they would have shown him watching through the scope.
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Question: why?

If Ward couldn't shoot the dog with the pistol, why would he then, within seconds of deciding to let the dog go free, be able to shoot the dog with a rifle?

Sure, it's harder to do it when he's looking you right in the eyes, but the timing doesn't make sense (at least to me).
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Misdirection and drama. They wanted to give us hope that Ward didn't shoot the dog, and by extension wouldn't dump FitzSimmons. Then take it away to play with our emotions.
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To me the show clearly implied that Ward shot the dog with the scope rifle. It paralleled him dumping FitzSimmons into the ocean. If they wanted us to believe Garret was watching through the scope, they would have shown him watching through the scope.
The scene with the dog *does* parallel him dumping FitzSimmons in the ocean, but not the way you suggest. Ward "got soft" and let the dog go, just like he "got soft" and just dumped FitzSimmons in the (sealed and possibly buoyant) cargo container rather than killing them like Garrett wanted him to.
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It was a strange scene. I did not see anyone mention the fact that, as the flashback to the dog in the rifle scope concluded and the scene returned to the present, the transition was marked by the loud sound of Ward pulling the release which created a sound much like a rifle shot.

I think it can be interpreted in two ways. Either someone took the shot and killed the dog (either Ward or Garrett) and that parallels Ward "taking the shot" to drop FitzSimmons. Or else the dog did not get shot, but Ward was "making up" for his past weakness with the dog by "taking the shot" now to drop FitzSimmons.

I think that the writers probably had a good idea of what they wanted to imply, but the result was certainly not "clearly implied" as another poster claimed. If they intended to clearly imply something, then the writers and/or director really botched it.

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I think they weren't trying to imply anything, but rather to make it vague enough that the viewer could come to either conclusion, leaving it open for debate, as we've been doing.
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The scene with the dog *does* parallel him dumping FitzSimmons in the ocean, but not the way you suggest. Ward "got soft" and let the dog go, just like he "got soft" and just dumped FitzSimmons in the (sealed and possibly buoyant) cargo container rather than killing them like Garrett wanted him to.
Yes, and both happened after he had spent an extended period in a team with the others (first the dog, and then FitzSimmons). This was very deliberate. It was the entire basis for Garrett ragging on Ward the entire episode about his weakness. None of that would make any sense if Ward had actually shot the dog with the rifle.
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Goth or gaunt?

(OK maybe this detail is a little more significant to the plot, but it does remind me of a LOST thread)
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