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Old 11-04-2013, 10:12 AM   #1
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The Walking Dead S04E04: "Indifference" 11.04.13

Didn't see that coming!

So Rick doesn't want to be a leader and make decisions until he wants to be a leader and make decisions?
So at random times he just up and decides to make these enormous calls that affect everyone?
How nice that he can pick and choose when to involve himself.

Looked like a good time to involve the council if you ask me.
If they're so afraid that Tyrese would kill her, hows about maybe preventing that from happening?
Or keep the knowledge within the council.
They're going to miss her and they'll be divided over it anyway.
Can't wait to see how Rick spins it when he returns.

I half expected Carol to run him down after she turned her car around.
We haven't seen the last of her. And I still wouldn't call what she did cold blooded murder- there was a small chance that it could have worked.

Losing the hippie kids (at least the girl) was sad.
They were so upbeat and folks need people like that.

As opposed to Tyrese who is annoying me to tears. Get it together man.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:18 AM   #2
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I think he did it more for her. Tyrese would have killed her and prob anyone trying to stop him while protecting her.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:08 AM   #3
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Losing the hippie kids (at least the girl) was sad.
They were so upbeat and folks need people like that.
I knew they were screwed once it was revealed that the two of them were kept in a closed room for 2 days by a single zombie.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:16 AM   #4
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Yeah, I think Rick made the wrong decision. However, he may have been doing it for her safety.

What's to stop her from heading back to the prison before Rick gets there?

And I don't know that he is picking and choosing when to make decisions and lead people. She kept on him until he did. He had not said a word about the whole thing until she made him.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:30 AM   #5
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When they pull up to the house in the car....all I could think of was "NEVER PARK BEHIND ANOTHER CAR!". Don't block your escape route by parking behind another vehicle.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:30 AM   #6
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I know this series is heavy on character development, but I found this ep to be average at best even in that regard....really crawled by....
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:31 AM   #7
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When they pull up to the house in the car....all I could think of was "NEVER PARK BEHIND ANOTHER CAR!". Don't block your escape route by parking behind another vehicle.
Didn't their car have a reverse gear?
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:37 AM   #8
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Didn't their car have a reverse gear?
That can waste what turn out to be very precious moments.
Or a bad guy could block them in.

In other words it limits their options unnecessarily.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:40 AM   #9
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I expect Carol to be back.

At least I hope so as she has become one of my favoroite characters.
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Old 11-04-2013, 12:00 PM   #10
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That can waste what turn out to be very precious moments.
Or a bad guy could block them in.

In other words it limits their options unnecessarily.
Exactly! If you park behind another vehicle then you only have 1 way to move. Now what do you do if a horde comes from the back of the car?
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Old 11-04-2013, 12:10 PM   #11
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I expect Carol to be back.

At least I hope so as she has become one of my favoroite characters.
Yeah, that's how they're starting the TWD spinnoff. Carol goes off and finds another group.
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Exactly! If you park behind another vehicle then you only have 1 way to move. Now what do you do if a horde comes from the back of the car?
Geez guys...you're making this out to be a much bigger deal than it is. You back up a few feet then go forward. This is not rocket science; it doesn't take more than a few seconds (maybe five at most) to do so...maybe for you, but not for me!
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:39 PM   #13
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The title of the episode was pretty appropriate, IMO. Lots of talking, not a lot of plot movement. I'm sure Carol will be back; Daryl might go out and find her. Or else she'll run into the Governor. We're 1/4 of the way through the season now.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:44 PM   #14
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Didn't see that coming!

So Rick doesn't want to be a leader and make decisions until he wants to be a leader and make decisions?
So at random times he just up and decides to make these enormous calls that affect everyone?
How nice that he can pick and choose when to involve himself.
Rick made it clear that he was not making this decision for the group (although it obviously does affect everyone). He made the decision for himself and his family... he didn't want someone around that might arbitrarily decide someone in his family had to die at any point and I agree with him, especially given that her plan ended up being pointless after all since it didn't prevent the disease from spreading.

Besides, Carol told him that he couldn't JUST be a farmer and he took her up on that challenge by making a decision. It just wasn't one she liked.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:00 PM   #15
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I'll be interested in Dale's reaction. (I'm assuming Rick's going to tell the truth about why she's gone.)

I would have liked to hear her say "I'll take that chance. Let's go ask the group if they want me to stay."
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:12 PM   #16
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I'll be interested in Dale's reaction. (I'm assuming Rick's going to tell the truth about why she's gone.) I would have liked to hear her say "I'll take that chance. Let's go ask the group if they want me to stay."
Do you mean Tyrese? Or Daryl? Dale's not reacting to much, these days.

So, at what point did Rick decide he was going to exile her? Before they set out, and that was the whole reason that he asked her to come along? That's kind of my take.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:27 PM   #17
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Bad decision by Rick, I am not sure how anything good will come out of it. Daryl will not be happy and I can see major infighting withing the core group. Rick should have brought it to the counsel and let the group make a decision. I guess he was trying to give her a fighting chance at a fresh start with a new group.

Also, no drama in the counsel talking through a decision on Carols fate.

Maybe he will say she was killed by walkers but how will explain things when she appears later in the season?
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:39 PM   #18
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Interesting that Rick could justify Carl jr. intentionally killing someone "in cold blood", but he no longer trusts Carol despite her explanation for her actions as a compassionate gesture to save the group and put the sick people out of their misery. Carol will be back. But now I don't trust that new little girl with the giant knife! She will be the female counterpart to psycho Carl jr.
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:40 PM   #19
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Geez guys...you're making this out to be a much bigger deal than it is. You back up a few feet then go forward. This is not rocket science; it doesn't take more than a few seconds (maybe five at most) to do so...maybe for you, but not for me!
How'd backing up work for the group last week?
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:05 PM   #20
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The way Rick kept checking his rear view at the end, I thought me might turn around and go get her back. I guess not.

I wonder if Daryl is going to start getting close to Michonne now that she seems ok with just sticking around?

But ya, I didn't see that coming with Carol. Count me among those that think she'll be back - and not as a walker that the girl can feed at the fence!
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How'd backing up work for the group last week?
About as good as moving forward did....
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My question is: Would Rick have done the same thing if Caroll hadn't pushed him on the subject?
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...I wonder if Daryl is going to start getting close to Michonne now that she seems ok with just sticking around?...
That smile of hers was the biggest (and maybe the ONLY) smile I've seen on her...
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:41 PM   #24
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So, at what point did Rick decide he was going to exile her? Before they set out, and that was the whole reason that he asked her to come along? That's kind of my take.
I thought the whole trip was his way of getting her alone for an extended period of time so that he could gauge her mental state and reasoning.
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:54 PM   #25
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I don't read the comic book, so I don't know who Tyreese is in that world.
When he first showed up, people were excited to see him and I assumed it was because he was a bad-ass walker killer or maybe just a helluva great guy, or even both. I don't see him as being likable in any way at all and any scene he is in I just can't enjoy simply because of his presence. I just don't like him.

If I were Carol, I'd just drive right straight back to the prison.
I kind of wanted Daryl to toss the bottle of booze into the crowd of walkers below and then push the guy off the roof.
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Yeah, I was pretty sure he was going to be chest-bumped off the roof by Daryl. Feinting for his weapon should have sealed his fate.
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I don't read the comic book, so I don't know who Tyreese is in that world.
When he first showed up, people were excited to see him and I assumed it was because he was a bad-ass walker killer or maybe just a helluva great guy, or even both. I don't see him as being likable in any way at all and any scene he is in I just can't enjoy simply because of his presence. I just don't like him...
Totally agree about Tyreese! (I don't read the comics either).

Of course I felt the same way about Michone for a long time.
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So, at what point did Rick decide he was going to exile her? Before they set out, and that was the whole reason that he asked her to come along? That's kind of my take.
That's my take also, especially after re-watching the opening scene.
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That's my take also, especially after re-watching the opening scene.
Yes, I think that he did not bring up the subject with her because his mind already was made up. The whole point of the expedition was (1) to get her far from the prison; and (2) to find and furnish a "to-go" car for her. She just incorrectly assumed that the car was going to be driven back to the prison, but that was never Rick's plan.
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I didn't really understand what they were pulling at when the walkers appeared. Was that to get the minivan that they finally used out of the undergrowth? Not sure the battery would have been the only problem with a vehicle that was overgrown like that.

The surviving kid they found (male) seemed sketchy to me.
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