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Old 03-21-2016, 01:39 AM   #1
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The Walking Dead "Twice As Far" S06E14 OAD 3/20/16 + Talking Dead *spoilers*

OK, be honest. Who else was bothered when Daryl didn't retrieve that bolt.

Abraham: "You know how to bite a dick, Eugene. I meant that with the utmost of respect."

What did Carol mean when she said to Daryl that he was right? And where does she think she's going?

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Old 03-21-2016, 01:42 AM   #2
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He was right he should have killed the people in the burnt forest.

Since they buried her, I assume he retrieved the bolt then.

So what was with the stuff at the beginning - were we seeing different days that showed the repetitive life, or different scenes from the same day? I guess the latter?

Any time a red shirt stands around making a big speech you know they are about to die. I really liked Denise too.

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Old 03-21-2016, 05:58 AM   #3
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So what was with the stuff at the beginning - were we seeing different days that showed the repetitive life, or different scenes from the same day? I guess the latter?
Had to be different days. They were all wearing different clothes each time. And these people NEVER change clothes!

I was a little miffed that the community (i.e., the writers) would let Denise, who may be the most indispensable person in town, go outside the walls for anything that wasn't a medical emergency. The moment she left, I knew she was dead. (Her speech about not going with Tara sealed the deal.) TWD's lazy writing shouldn't get to the point where it spoils major plot twists!

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I don't know how Michael Cudlitz delivers half his lines with a straight face.
And I love Eugene.
Sad to lose Denise, though- I really liked both the character and the actress.

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I didn't really like the first couple of scenes. I guess they were going for something but it didn't really add to the show as a whole.

Didn't watch all of TD but Eugene was pretty good/funny. I am not a huge fan of him on the show but his weirdness kinda works well.

SO, carol is leaving?? That seems odd. I mean I get her point but I can't imagine being out there on your own is any safer.

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Old 03-21-2016, 06:46 AM   #6
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The whole Carol leaving doesn't make sense. Just because she says she can't kill for any of them doesn't mean she isn't an important part of the community. A little part of me thought maybe that she's claiming she's leaving to end up infiltrating Negan's gang to eventually kill him. She's definitely capable of planning and carrying it out.

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The whole Carol leaving doesn't make sense. Just because she says she can't kill for any of them doesn't mean she isn't an important part of the community. A little part of me thought maybe that she's claiming she's leaving to end up infiltrating Negan's gang to eventually kill him. She's definitely capable of planning and carrying it out.
Interesting thought. The first thing that came to my mind was the speech Rick gave (in the church?) when he announced they would be going after Neegans group. I thought he said something like 'to be with us, you have to kill' and then it flashed to father gabriel. Maybe I'm misremembering how he said it.

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I never thought of Denise as a redshirt character.

OK so the guy who fired off the arrow at her - he was the guy in the burnt forest who stole the motorcycle? I don't remember what he looks like.

The car they were driving in was covered in rain - then dry - then covered in rain. Continuity people!!!

Carol leaving? Makes no sense.
The voice over where she says don't come looking for me then cut to Morgan...
I am guessing he's going to go looking for her...

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Daryl didn't think that a downed tree to force people to walk down the train tracks was an obvious trap?

You can argue that he only took it after the girl used the path safely, but how in the world would he let her use the tracks in the first place?

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Oh, I forgot to mention how good Rosita (Christian Serratos??) looked on TD.

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The whole Carol leaving doesn't make sense. Just because she says she can't kill for any of them doesn't mean she isn't an important part of the community. A little part of me thought maybe that she's claiming she's leaving to end up infiltrating Negan's gang to eventually kill him. She's definitely capable of planning and carrying it out.

Isn't Neegans group already all dead?

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Also, it has been my experience that when someone is biting my...ahem...member... and I have a couple of knives handy, it is best to stab them in the head to make them let go.

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Old 03-21-2016, 07:13 AM   #13
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Isn't Neegans group already all dead?
The people at that one outpost are all dead. But given all the build-up to Negan, one might think there's more to the story than we've seen so far...
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Also, it has been my experience that when someone is biting my...ahem...member... and I have a couple of knives handy, it is best to stab them in the head to make them let go.
Lucky for you your life hasn't been scripted by the TWD writing staff!

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Whether Negan's group is dead or not, doesn't Carol think they are? It would be weird for her to go looking to infiltrate them. I don't think that's where she's going, although I wouldn't be surprised if we discover that's where she ends up (assuming that story line isn't over... and since there are only two episodes left in the season...) Carol isn't leaving because she thinks she has a better chance of staying alive. She's leaving because she thinks she has a better chance of not having to kill people if she doesn't have anything worth taking: Alexandria is a honey pot and it'll attract bees. If she's there she'll have to fight for it. That's what her note said.

I was surprised they gave somewhat short-shrift to the Apothecary in TD. That was a really amazing set design: just a few seconds told an entire story. Someone, probably the mother, has a broken leg and so can't run from the walkers. She's hiding in that back room with her baby: the baby is crying. Walkers are pounding to get in (see the walker handprints all over the front of the building). She can't get the baby to be quiet so she kills it (visions of M*A*S*H), either accidentally or on purpose. Maybe drowns it? Then goes nuts and writes "hush hush" on the walls, then dies and becomes a walker herself. Super creepy!!

I couldn't really understand Denise's speech on the train tracks. What exactly is she trying to say? That they don't take enough chances? That doesn't track: they take all kinds of chances. Who would risk being bit for a little cooler? That doesn't show you're not living, it shows you have some sense. Maybe she meant in their personal lives? I'm not sure about that either. For me that lessened the poignancy of her death a little bit.

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Also, it has been my experience that when someone is biting my...ahem...member... and I have a couple of knives handy, it is best to stab them in the head to make them let go.
I also found it strange how Dwight seemed to do everything BUT the obvious things you'd do in that situation. Hit Eugene's head, stab him, shoot him, etc. Instead, he acted like there was some kind of forcefield around Eugene.

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I couldn't really understand Denise's speech on the train tracks. What exactly is she trying to say? That they don't take enough chances? That doesn't track: they take all kinds of chances. Who would risk being bit for a little cooler? That doesn't show you're not living, it shows you have some sense. Maybe she meant in their personal lives? I'm not sure about that either. For me that lessened the poignancy of her death a little bit.
Yeah, I really liked her little story arc in the episode (which paralleled Eugene's, both of them being among the "weaker" members of the community) until that final spiel. It was way too "speechy" and dulled the shock of her death.

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I couldn't really understand Denise's speech on the train tracks. What exactly is she trying to say? That they don't take enough chances? That doesn't track: they take all kinds of chances. Who would risk being bit for a little cooler? That doesn't show you're not living, it shows you have some sense. Maybe she meant in their personal lives? I'm not sure about that either. For me that lessened the poignancy of her death a little bit.
What she was about to say was ... that.... she.....

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Yeah, I really liked her little story arc in the episode (which paralleled Eugene's, both of them being among the "weaker" members of the community) until that final spiel. It was way too "speechy" and dulled the shock of her death.
That's something this show does. When a character is about to die, he/she gives a speech. I guess it's become such a trope, they do it even when the character doesn't have anything in particular to say. All it does is tell us, "Hey, audience, pay attention...I'm about to die."

It bothers me that a show that at times can be so very good, at other times can be so very by-the-numbers.

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Daryl didn't think that a downed tree to force people to walk down the train tracks was an obvious trap?

You can argue that he only took it after the girl used the path safely, but how in the world would he let her use the tracks in the first place?
My first thought was why didn't you drive the pickup truck down the tracks? I was obviously doable as there were other cars there.

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My first thought was why didn't you drive the pickup truck down the tracks? I was obviously doable as there were other cars there.
Daryl could barely drive it on the road much less railroad tracks.

But, I thought the tree being down was a definite sign of an ambush. Although I did think it would be real close.

Wonder why they didn't get Rosita when she walked the tracks earlier? Or, how they knew Eugene was with them? Maybe Eugene gave them all the info.

Maybe the tree being down was just simply a tree that was down.

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So, how many "original" Alexandrites are left? I can only think of 3, of the ones we have been introduced to.

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Not sure why they didn't show Tara. Especially when they were burying Denise. And yeah I knew she was doomed from the start.

Abraham and Eugene are my favorite couple!

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Did anybody else get annoyed that the top half of the screen was covered at the end with a Microsoft Surface ad, while the show was clearly still going on? Morgan was doing his exercises and he turns and you can barely make out people pushing carts with weapons, but I couldn't see much more than that because of the Surface ad, and the box showing previews literally covering the actual show.

That, in my mind, is just wrong. The previews and ads shouldn't start until after the show ends!

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Maybe the tree being down was just simply a tree that was down.

Rosita did say, "This happened fast. Tree rotted out. It wasn't people."

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They didn't show Tara because she is off the show having a baby at this point but they could have mentioned her.

Carol knows Negan's group is not dead. The people who captured her called for support and talked about more.

I enjoyed the episode well enough though it was predictable and filled with your typical dumb decisions. I do find it funny how we all assume that people will always make the most logical decision in this scenario.

I stand by an earlier statement that talking about lazy writing is just lazy posting

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I do find it funny how we all assume that people will always make the most logical decision in this scenario.

I stand by an earlier statement that talking about lazy writing is just lazy posting
I might buy that if once in a while, somebody on the show said to somebody else, "You know, that was really a dumb thing you did."

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Tara is out on a multi-week run/recruit worth the curly hair guy.

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Did anybody else get annoyed that the top half of the screen was covered at the end with a Microsoft Surface ad, while the show was clearly still going on? Morgan was doing his exercises and he turns and you can barely make out people pushing carts with weapons, but I couldn't see much more than that because of the Surface ad, and the box showing previews literally covering the actual show.
I didn't notice, and I feel sure I would have noticed something like that. Maybe it was only for some affiliates/cable companies?

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Hey, what ever happened to Eric? Did he get killed? I don't remember that but I also don't remember seeing him for quite a while.

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What was the significance of them moving the weapons on the carts at the end? Were they distributing them to members of the community in preparation for an impending attack on Alexandria?

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Did anybody else get annoyed that the top half of the screen was covered at the end with a Microsoft Surface ad, while the show was clearly still going on? Morgan was doing his exercises and he turns and you can barely make out people pushing carts with weapons, but I couldn't see much more than that because of the Surface ad, and the box showing previews literally covering the actual show.

That, in my mind, is just wrong. The previews and ads shouldn't start until after the show ends!
Just checked, and that definitely didn't happen on my recording. The Surface ad/previews don't start until the episode is over and there's a black screen for a couple seconds.

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What was the significance of them moving the weapons on the carts at the end? Are they gearing up for an impending attack on Alexandria?
Earlier in the episode, Rosita tells Denise that "Today's lesson will be in the cul-de-sac." I assumed the weapon carts at the end were being taken to whatever location the lessons were for that day.

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