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Old 05-10-2016, 08:51 PM   #1
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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Emancipation (OAD 5/10/16)

I don't have any comments yet since I haven't finished watching, but I wanted to give warning that there are a few spoilers for Captain America Civil War. Nothing really major if you know the basic plot of the movie, but part of the episode's story centers around something that happened in the movie.

There's also another spoiler that doesn't have a lot to do with the movie plot, but it will have a bigger impact if you don't find out about it from this episode.

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Old 05-10-2016, 11:13 PM   #2
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Watched it live for a change.

Without specifically spoiling, gotta say I was not surprised to see the tie-in to the CA:CW movie. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm guessing the association isn't all that different from how a previous SHIELD season was very closely tied to Avengers Ultron or CA:Winter Soldier?

I actually felt that the beginning of the episode might have been modified somewhat to emphasize the association. At least they're not making pseudo-plot-related car commercials based on characters from their currently popular dramas, like another network I could mention.

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Old 05-11-2016, 06:57 AM   #3
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Did Hive know what Lash is? He stepped back like he was afraid but he should have stepped forward to use his power to turn Lash. Then, once that failed he should have stepped back thinking... uh oh.

Convenient way Lash was killed.

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Old 05-11-2016, 07:12 AM   #4
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Without specifically spoiling, gotta say I was not surprised to see the tie-in to the CA:CW movie. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm guessing the association isn't all that different from how a previous SHIELD season was very closely tied to Avengers Ultron or CA:Winter Soldier?


The TV show seems to be dependent on or beholden to whatever the movies do, but the reverse isn't true. It's like a codependent relationship.

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Any mention of things from the movie the week the movie is released is just plain dumb. With three episodes left, they could hold off on impacts from the movie for next season. Do they think everyone is going to see the movie in the first four days it is out? Or do they prefer everyone stops watching shield until they see the movie.

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Old 05-11-2016, 03:15 PM   #6
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Any mention of things from the movie the week the movie is released is just plain dumb. With three episodes left, they could hold off on impacts from the movie for next season. Do they think everyone is going to see the movie in the first four days it is out? Or do they prefer everyone stops watching shield until they see the movie.
Well we are talking about Marvel fanboys here!

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Old 05-11-2016, 09:43 PM   #7
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They want to "encourage" watchers of SHIELD to see the movie right away so they aren't spoiled by the show.

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Old 05-11-2016, 10:02 PM   #8
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That said, there's really not much in the show that you won't get from the movie trailers...

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Old 05-11-2016, 11:08 PM   #9
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Plus, it's hardly new. Every Marvel movie has been referenced in the following weeks Agents of SHIELD, so if you aren't aware of it by now, you aren't really a follower of the show.

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Old 05-11-2016, 11:32 PM   #10
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Plus, it's hardly new. Every Marvel movie has been referenced in the following weeks Agents of SHIELD, so if you aren't aware of it by now, you aren't really a follower of the show.


Some are referenced more (Winter Soldier) than others (Age of Ultron). AoS completely and totally spoiler the former, but not so much the later. Civil War had more spoiled than AoU, but no where near as much as WS.

The flow back from AoS to movies has basically stopped. I'm guessing by the time the Inhumans movie comes out (assuming it ever does), it will be like no one has ever heard of them before.

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So who is going to "die"? I can't imagine any of the regulars. (My money's on 'Yo-Yo').

Will Hive make it through til next season? Who else would they have for a big bad?

Is the guy that played Lash really that big? Maybe they used smaller guys for the newly grown Inhumans, because he looked ginormous next to them.

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I thought it was pretty lame that we find out Lash can stand up to Hive, and then Lash is killed 2 seconds later. Of course, is Lash really dead? I know a hole in the chest will kill most, but this is a super hero show.

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So who is going to "die"?
Isn't it obvious?

In this episode, Mac gets a new cross on a chain. That cross on a chain has been the central image every time we see Daisy's vision.

Could be a fake out, of course, but I think we lose Mac.

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Isn't it obvious?

In this episode, Mac gets a new cross on a chain. That cross on a chain has been the central image every time we see Daisy's vision.

Could be a fake out, of course, but I think we lose Mac.
Yes, that would be very obvious... which is why it's definitely not Mac. My vote is for Lincoln.

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Some are referenced more (Winter Soldier) than others (Age of Ultron). AoS completely and totally spoiler the former, but not so much the later. Civil War had more spoiled than AoU, but no where near as much as WS.

The flow back from AoS to movies has basically stopped. I'm guessing by the time the Inhumans movie comes out (assuming it ever does), it will be like no one has ever heard of them before.
That's because The Winter Soldier completely blew up the premiss of the show. I wonder how much warning they got on that one? They basically destroyed the agency that is in the name of the show. They couldn't really just gloss over it like they did with Age of Ultron. They did a fairly tied in episode with Thor: Dark World too. They actually went to basically CSI that giant space ship that crashes at the end.

What sort of bugs me about the current season is they made the bad guy too powerful. If he was really that big of a threat where are the avengers? They're all human and would not be effected by his parasite so they would be able to easily take him down. But instead they send in these inhumans who can be effected by him. If they're going to have a show like this in the same universe as the avengers then they need to keep the threats a little less world ending.

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The avengers are too busy beating each other up.

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Old 05-12-2016, 03:08 PM   #17
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Whoever ends up with that red shirt, er, gold cross is going to get it. And I don't think it's done being passed around yet.

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Old 05-12-2016, 03:28 PM   #18
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Plus, it's hardly new. Every Marvel movie has been referenced in the following weeks Agents of SHIELD, so if you aren't aware of it by now, you aren't really a follower of the show.
This, totally. Saw the movie yesterday afternoon, then the episode last night.

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Old 05-13-2016, 02:52 AM   #19
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Yes, that would be very obvious... which is why it's definitely not Mac. My vote is for Lincoln.
Please, let it be Lincoln. Or the general with the stupid hairdo.

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so, how did they know lash was the hive killer?

and why wouldn't he have finished off hive/ward before helping daisy, which eventually earned him a spear through the torso?

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Wasn't it a chain through the torso? The chain he was using earlier in the episode to catch those 5 dudes they turned into Hivelings?

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Wasn't it a chain through the torso? The chain he was using earlier in the episode to catch those 5 dudes they turned into Hivelings?
How did he suddenly get that power anyway? In the last episode everything he touched blew up, ala Gambit in Xmen. Now all the sudden he can turn a chain into so sort of flaming whip?

Also all those guys had assault weapons and he attacks them with a chain? And not one of them actually shoots him? Had none of them seen Raiders of the Lost Ark?

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How did he suddenly get that power anyway? In the last episode everything he touched blew up, ala Gambit in Xmen. Now all the sudden he can turn a chain into so sort of flaming whip?
I think that is pretty much how things have gone. When someone first turns inhuman, they can't control their powers. Then over time, they figure things out. Like Daisy was causing quakes left and fight until she got that things on her arms.

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I think when he let's go they blow up.

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What sort of bugs me about the current season is they made the bad guy too powerful. If he was really that big of a threat where are the avengers? They're all human and would not be effected by his parasite so they would be able to easily take him down. But instead they send in these inhumans who can be effected by him. If they're going to have a show like this in the same universe as the avengers then they need to keep the threats a little less world ending.
My wife and I said the same thing to each other. "Good grief...give Tony a call STAT!" to take out Hive. Especially since this is basically "end of the world" level threat now. I've let it go, but it really doesn't make sense.

Having said that, Hive has been shown more then once to kill humans pretty easily so it's not like any of the Avengers are immune or something.

Also, since the Avengers are under the Accords now, Coulson couldn't just call them up anyway, it would have to go thru committee, get approved, etc. at which time the world is over. Which was Cap's whole point.

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Also, since the Avengers are under the Accords now, Coulson couldn't just call them up anyway, it would have to go thru committee, get approved, etc. at which time the world is over. Which was Cap's whole point.
I can almost see the TV people ending the world just to show the movie people what idiots they are...

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I can almost see the TV people ending the world just to show the movie people what idiots they are...

And the movie people who go on just like it didn't happen, same as anything else that happens on the TV show.

Has there been any movie/tv crossover characters at all this season? The first two season had a few characters cross back and forth, but I can't recall any at all this season.

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There has not, I read a while back that there was sort of a falling out between the TV group and the movie folks.

I think it was a Joss Whedon interview.

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There has not, I read a while back that there was sort of a falling out between the TV group and the movie folks.

I think it was a Joss Whedon interview.
I'm not sure it was a falling out so much as the movie people forgetting there even was a TV show, upper management continuing to give the TV people movie edicts, and the TV people resenting it. Deeply.

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I've never seen any of the movies, or read any of the comics for that matter. The show works fine for me as a standalone. I do catch the references to Avengers and such, but I don't dwell on them too much. Maybe I'll look on the movie channels and try out some of them. Where should I start?

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