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Old 06-10-2015, 08:11 PM   #1
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Heroes Reborn

I've been seeing ads. Anybody know anything about it?

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Old 06-10-2015, 08:39 PM   #2
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Yep.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=514937

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Old 06-10-2015, 09:37 PM   #3
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With Tim Kring involved, there is no chance I will watch this.

He had his first chance with Heroes, and he failed miserably at the end of Season 1. Great show, solid "A", with a "D-" finale. And downhill from there.

Then this past year, he was half of the team that created "Dig" on USA. Almost identical process... a show that starts strong, has an interesting premise, and then just falls flat when it's time to end.

He clearly can come up with, and put together, a really interesting series. He just doesn't know how to end them. And sadly, that's where the money shot is.

I'll never watch anything he does again. Two chances is all anyone gets.

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Old 06-11-2015, 12:37 AM   #4
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With Tim Kring involved, there is no chance I will watch this.

He had his first chance with Heroes, and he failed miserably at the end of Season 1. Great show, solid "A", with a "D-" finale. And downhill from there.
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I thought he wanted it to be a one season show, but the execs saw the high ratings and pressured him to change the ending and carry it on to a 2nd season

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Old 06-11-2015, 05:20 AM   #5
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I thought he wanted it to be a one season show, but the execs saw the high ratings and pressured him to change the ending and carry it on to a 2nd season
Actually, my understanding was he always wanted a multi-season show, but he wanted each season to feature an entirely new cast. Then that changed for some reason: I always thought it was the network executives pressuring him to keep the same cast, but Wikipedia says "his motivation changed when he realized how popular the original cast was with audiences".

In any event, I think that became the downfall of the show. He built some really powerful characters...too powerful. Spoilers in case someone wants to watch the original still:
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As Hiro mastered his time travel abilities, it would become a simple matter of "Hiro can solve every problem just by time travelling", so instead he became this blundering idiot who never could master his skill. Peter's skill was pretty powerful too, so that had some similar "he cant control it" stuff, and then since it was so powerful, didn't they had the bad guy steal his abilities, so he was powerless for some time? I don't recall anymore


Anyway, it would have been great to build up these characters who become powerful, save the world at the end of the season, and then we start over with some new characters next season, learning about their powers, mastering their skills, solving a different crisis. But he didn't go that way.

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Old 06-11-2015, 05:34 AM   #6
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That's why every time I hear that the original cast may be in this one, I get more likely to not try it. Or try it but not pay that much attention.

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Old 06-11-2015, 06:53 AM   #7
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From what I've seen so far, it looks like there will only be 2 or 3 of the original cast members in the reboot. Masi Oka (aka Hiro Nakamura) and Jack Coleman (Claire Bennett's father) are among the ones that are returning. Here's an excerpt of the show description:

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The saga behind the 2006 breakout series "Heroes" will continue this fall as creator Tim Kring returns to the fold and develops new layers to his original superhero concept.

This highly anticipated 13-episode event series will reconnect with the basic elements of the show’s first season, where ordinary people were waking up to the fact that they had extraordinary abilities.

Original cast member Jack Coleman will reprise his role as H.R.G., Jimmy Jean-Louis returns as The Haitian, and Masi Oka will be back as Hiro Nakamura. Also joining the cast are Zachary Levi (of NBC's "Chuck" and the Marvel franchise "Thor"), Ryan Guzman ("The Boy Next Door"), Robbie Kay ("Once Upon a Time"), Danika Yarosh ("Shameless"), Judith Shekoni ("The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 2"), Kiki Sukezane ("Death Yankee 3"), Henry Zebrowski (NBC’s "A to Z") and Gatlin Green ("Criminal Minds").

With the return of "Heroes Reborn," NBC will launch a digital series prior to the premiere that will introduce new characters and storylines that will take the "Heroes" phenomenon to new places. NBC’s digital platforms, as well as Hulu and video-on-demand, will debut the online prequel to the series prior to the show’s premiere.

Tim Kring, Peter Elkoff and James Middleton will serve as executive producers.

Produced by Imperative Entertainment, in association with Universal Television, "Heroes Reborn" will air in fall 2015 on NBC.

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Old 06-11-2015, 07:18 AM   #8
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From what I've seen so far, it looks like there will only be 2 or 3 of the original cast members in the reboot. Masi Oka (aka Hiro Nakamura) and Jack Coleman (Claire Bennett's father) are among the ones that are returning. Here's an excerpt of the show description:
So perhaps this is Tim Kring taking a stab at what he originally intended to do with season 2.

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Old 06-11-2015, 08:24 AM   #9
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If Hayden is in it, I'd watch. Otherwise, pass.

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Old 06-11-2015, 08:27 AM   #10
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I don't know if I have it in me to try this out since they burned us so bad on the last go round.

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Old 06-11-2015, 09:15 AM   #11
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I was late to watch the original series but it was pretty damn good. I look forward to this.

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Old 06-11-2015, 09:24 AM   #12
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Season 1 was awesome. After that, big bag o suck.

I wonder where they'll start with this one? Redo season 1 or take up where they left off before? I'll give it a try but don't hold out much hope.

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Old 06-11-2015, 09:50 AM   #13
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Season 1 was awesome. After that, big bag o suck.

I wonder where they'll start with this one? Redo season 1 or take up where they left off before? I'll give it a try but don't hold out much hope.
I'm thinking more or less simultaneous timeline, just having other's discover their powers at the same time. As I recall, I think we knew that HRG (Mr Bennet) was involved with other heroes beyond the ones featured in the original series (correct?), so he could easily fit in that way. Not sure how Hiro would fit in.

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Old 06-11-2015, 03:14 PM   #14
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I find it hard to believe that it was 2006! I'm it, at least to start with, but we'll have to see where this will go.

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Old 06-11-2015, 05:35 PM   #15
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If Chuck is in it I'm in.

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Old 06-11-2015, 05:42 PM   #16
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From what I've seen so far, it looks like there will only be 2 or 3 of the original cast members in the reboot. Masi Oka (aka Hiro Nakamura) and Jack Coleman (Claire Bennett's father) are among the ones that are returning. Here's an excerpt of the show description:
and
Sendhil Ramamurthy - Mohinder
Noah Gray-Cabey - Micah
Greg Grunberg - Parkman
Jimmy Jean-Louis - the Haitian

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Old 06-11-2015, 06:32 PM   #17
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:14 PM   #18
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Here are some who aren't coming back, according to Entertainment Weekly:
Hayden Panettiere (Claire)
Ali Larter (Niki)
Adrian Pasdar (Nathan)
Milo Ventimiglia (Peter)
Zachary Quinto (Sylar)

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Old 06-12-2015, 01:01 AM   #19
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Here are some who aren't coming back, according to Entertainment Weekly:
Hayden Panettiere (Claire)
Ali Larter (Niki)
Adrian Pasdar (Nathan)
Milo Ventimiglia (Peter)
Zachary Quinto (Sylar)
The people who are back have already been named here so, anyone not already named isn't back for this.

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It's not a simultaneous timeline, it is after the events of the first series. Claire showed the world that heroes exist, so this will be the aftermath of that. (A la x-men)

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Old 06-12-2015, 06:24 AM   #21
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I hope they make it a little less violent this time out because my daughters (turning 13 in late fall) will definitely want to watch because of Zach.

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Old 06-12-2015, 06:26 AM   #22
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Sendhil Ramamurthy - Mohinder
Noah Gray-Cabey - Micah
Greg Grunberg - Parkman
Jimmy Jean-Louis - the Haitian
I'm in. I love Greg Grunberg and I really want to see how Micah is doing. It will be like catching up with old friends and finding they have new friends. Maybe their new friends will be interesting.

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It's not a simultaneous timeline, it is after the events of the first series. Claire showed the world that heroes exist, so this will be the aftermath of that. (A la x-men)
I never watched the last season (or at least not all of it -- don't really remember if I bailed the last season or the one before that) so would someone be willing provide a brief (spoiler-tagged) summary? I started losing interest with the amnesiac-Peter-in-Ireland story line and completely tuned out when the carnival folk appeared.

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I never watched the last season (or at least not all of it -- don't really remember if I bailed the last season or the one before that) so would someone be willing provide a brief (spoiler-tagged) summary? I started losing interest with the amnesiac-Peter-in-Ireland story line and completely tuned out when the carnival folk appeared.
It sounds like we jumped ship at the same time.

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It sounds like we jumped ship at the same time.
Ditto! Ugh, I've never gone from so enthralled to so "meh" with a single show.

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Old 06-20-2015, 09:53 PM   #26
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Heh, every time I see this thread title I think of the gawdawful Marvel Comics event back in the 90s, when they turned four of their top books over to be rebooted by the Image Comics people. It lasted a year before they finally gave up and restored the original versions...

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Old 06-23-2015, 11:57 AM   #28
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The original run got screwed over by the writers strike. They cut season 2 in half leaving all sorts of loose ends and then never mentioned any of them again in season 3. I think they also scrwed themselves up with all the time travel. Time travel is a tricky thing to get right. Especially when they go forward because it locks them into a specific direction for the show or forces them to ignore stuff we're expecting to happen.

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The original run got screwed over by the writers strike. They cut season 2 in half leaving all sorts of loose ends and then never mentioned any of them again in season 3. I think they also scrwed themselves up with all the time travel. Time travel is a tricky thing to get right. Especially when they go forward because it locks them into a specific direction for the show or forces them to ignore stuff we're expecting to happen.
Sorry, no. Season 2 was a steaming pile of crap from the beginning.

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Won't they have the same problem that the original series did, which is that they basically have to find lame excuses for Hiro to not use his powers in order to make his powers not so powerful that the entire plot makes no sense?

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