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Old 09-11-2013, 07:22 PM   #31
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Am I the only woman here watching this? I've been crazy about Jimmy Smits since seeing him in an old 80s film -- "Running Scared". I loved how he broke bad last season and now kicking it this season.

I'm tired of Tara.

Back to the kid -- what was with the injuries on his left arm? Cutting?
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:55 PM   #32
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The only people that died last night were the Iranians(Persians ).

Or am I suffering major memory loss?
I think it's been determined that he was messing with us.

A lot more died off screen.
Now the internet is complaining the school shooting was too soon and not needed to tell the story.

Also rumors of some deleted scenes that may or may not make it to the DVD next year.


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Old 09-11-2013, 09:04 PM   #33
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I think it's been determined that he was messing with us.

A lot more died off screen.
Now the internet is complaining the school shooting was too soon and not needed to tell the story.

Also rumors of some deleted scenes that may or may not make it to the DVD next year.


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Back in early august I guess they screened the premiere for the press and so there was a lot of coverage on that scene, without actually saying what it was. Basically saying something happens in the episode is that will absolutely create controversy. Given what they've shown in the past, I was actually expecting whatever this was to be a lot worse... Like once the kid sat down I put together that he was gonna do what he did, but based on that press coverage I thought for sure that scene was gonna be a lot more graphic. I'm glad it wasn't.

It's a very sensitive subject matter, but I don't think they took it too far in terms of how they showed it (aside from the one blood spatter on the window). It definitely made me uneasy though. It's a little more "real life" than I like my entertainment but at the same time, it's not the first show to use real events in some way. I think there's gonna be a lot of flack since that is still kind of fresh. I guess we'll see how it plays out.

I thought Otto's man rape was pretty horrific! lol... Dude wasn't kidding last season when he said he make him wish he was dead. Geez. Donal Louge is killing it in my opinion. Dude is completely unhinged. I love the way the writing is on this show - there a rico case building for two seasons, Tara finagles her way in to talk to Otto, Otto stabs a random nurse in order to discredit himself from being a witness, and the nurse just happens to have a psychotic ex-marshall brother who is now utterly hell-bent on taking every one of them down.

Lots of good set-up for this season...
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:32 PM   #34
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...a psychotic junkie ex-marshal brother...
FYP!

And that really changes things...I was thinking with everything that's in motion towards the destruction of SAMCRO, how do they even survive through this season into the next? But with the marshal now turning into a psychotic lunatic, that gives them an out...if what he is and what he's done comes to light, then everything he's accomplished evaporates.

I have to wonder if turning him into a junkie is a new idea, designed to write them out of a corner they had written themselves into. Because while he was clearly on something all this episode, I never got the impression that he was chemically altered last year.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:37 PM   #35
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And that really changes things...I was thinking with everything that's in motion towards the destruction of SAMCRO, how do they even survive through this season into the next? But with the marshal now turning into a psychotic lunatic, that gives them an out...if what he is and what he's done comes to light, then everything he's accomplished evaporates.

I have to wonder if turning him into a junkie is a new idea, designed to write them out of a corner they had written themselves into. Because while he was clearly on something all this episode, I never got the impression that he was chemically altered last year.
Maybe, but what corner did they write themselves into last season? I don't think he was on long enough to go one way or the other. It definitely goes a long way in him not being able to take them down through legal channels (since he's not exactly credible), but him being a psychotic junkie ex-marshall is worse for them because I don't think he WANTS to take them down through legal channels. He wants them all completely destroyed.
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Maybe, but what corner did they write themselves into last season? I don't think he was on long enough to go one way or the other. It definitely goes a long way in him not being able to take them down through legal channels (since he's not exactly credible), but him being a psychotic junkie ex-marshall is worse for them because I don't think he WANTS to take them down through legal channels. He wants them all completely destroyed.
But everything he has on Otto and Tara now goes out the window. Last season it was Toric's vendetta against SAMCRO with the full weight of the US Government behind him. If what he's done comes out, then it's a lone psycho against a whole gang of psychos, and their psycho friends. Last season, it looked like he was going to win; he was a nasty, driven man who would do what it took to bring the full weight etc. etc. But now that's he's a criminal junkie whose personal vendetta involves multiple felonies that will probably taint any attempt by anybody to ever convict any of his targets, he is VASTLY outgunned. He doesn't stand a prayer...once his true nature comes out.

The corner they wrote themselves into was making him too effective an enemy. That's now been taken away from him, and it's a whole new ballgame.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:52 PM   #37
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LOL a kid goes on a killing spree with a SAMCRO supplied KG9 and you're worried about blow back from Tig's relatively little "incident".
I think you might be wrong on this. First, let me say I don't read any things about this show other than what's posted here. So no spoilers involved.

I think this will be the end of Tig. You could see that Jax is still reluctant to feed Tig to the Pope guy. But I think this will cause some issues with something, vendetta from the Iranians, crooked cop, who knows? I think whatever blowback they get will cause Jax to finally feed Tig to the wolves.


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Old 09-12-2013, 06:34 AM   #39
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When Otto cut out his tongue last year Sutter said he was tired of learning lines. All he had to do was grunt in this one.
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:38 AM   #40
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I can't stand Tara, the character or the actress.
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Am I the only woman here watching this? I've been crazy about Jimmy Smits since seeing him in an old 80s film -- "Running Scared". I loved how he broke bad last season and now kicking it this season.

I'm tired of Tara.

Back to the kid -- what was with the injuries on his left arm? Cutting?
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:05 AM   #42
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The school shooting has just opened up more trouble for SAMCRO. I am sure police will come down hard once they find out the gun can be traced back to them.

Clay needs to die.

Poor Tig has done so many horrible things (thanks to Clay). I think he is at his breaking point.
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:17 AM   #43
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Old 09-12-2013, 09:48 AM   #44
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Both what?
The laundry, and that other thing she's really good at.
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The laundry, and that other thing she's really good at.
I think it was listening and that other thing she's really good at....
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I think it was listening and that other thing she's really good at....
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That's right. I was mixing up her double-entendres.
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Old 09-12-2013, 01:01 PM   #48
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I can't stand Tara, the character or the actress.
+1. Bring Wendy back and kill off Tara. I love Drea de Matteo.
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:11 PM   #50
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Sitting on the dock of the bay... I chuckled when Tig started singing that because that went through my head at the same time.

Dead Iranian dude was bad tv stupid.

I'm tired of Tara and Gemma. There's way too much family drama on this show.

Why would any self respecting badass motorcycle gang let Juice back in. I usually run a mental pool as to what time in the episode he'll start whining or crying.
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Not sure how I felt about the school shooting, but feel a little better after hearing what Sutter had to say during the online afer-show.

Notice the "In memory of 'Opie'" patches?
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It seems that if the local boy scout troop or any police agency did a 24/7 surveillance on these guys they would all be in the slammer by the end of the week....
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:01 PM   #53
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I didn't like the school shooting at all. The show is really losing me. It seems as if there are too many stories going on all at once. Why make it so hard to see who the kid is? Everyone is angry all the time and they all see to be over acting. It just isn't the show I started watching in the beginning.
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The school shooting bothered me since it seems like the last real life one is still recent. I'm ok with it when I look at it from a story line point of view. Otto's prison treatment and the torture porn stuff disturbed me more.

How much time has passed since last season's finale and this episode?

Why doesn't Tara want to see Jax?
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The school shooting bothered me since it seems like the last real life one is still recent. I'm ok with it when I look at it from a story line point of view. Otto's prison treatment and the torture porn stuff disturbed me more.

How much time has passed since last season's finale and this episode?

Why doesn't Tara want to see Jax?
The shooting was heard and not seen probably because of real life similarities. I still want to understand the marks on the child's arm. Most of the violence in SoA is painful to watch.

I think meddling Gemma had the lawyer tell Jax that Tara didn't want to see him.
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The marks on the kid's arm were showing self-mutilation, a classic sign of a disturbed child - as were the doodles, writings and sketches in his notebook.

I think they were trying to show that this was going to happen anyway, but the Sons supplying the guns facilitated it and made it easier to fulfill.
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Old 09-13-2013, 03:04 PM   #57
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How much time has passed since last season's finale and this episode?
I believe no time has passed between Season 5 and Season 6, maybe a week or two is all.
Unlike previous seasons where it's been 6 months to a year.

For more rebuttal to the school shooting scene, seek out WTF Sutter on youtube.
Episode 32 he goes into more detail than the previously referenced aftershow webcast.

As the name would imply, it's not something for viewing at work, unless you have headphones, audio is the only NTSF content.


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The shooting was heard and not seen probably because of real life similarities. I still want to understand the marks on the child's arm. Most of the violence in SoA is painful to watch.

I think meddling Gemma had the lawyer tell Jax that Tara didn't want to see him.
Tara told the lawyer she didn't want to see Jax while Tara was meeting with the lawyer and they discussed the bail hearing. IIRC Tara said "I don't want Jax to see me like this." Not sure why, but I'm not sure why Tara does anything she does except that she's stupid.
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the scene in front of the mirror was more than enough to confirm that indeed, everyone should say no to drugs.
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It has been a week so I am not sure what scene you are referring to. Who is this about?
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