TiVo Community
TiVo Community
TiVo Community
Go Back   TiVo Community > TiVo TV Talk > Now Playing - TV Show Talk
TiVo Community
Reply
Forum Jump
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-18-2013, 11:06 PM   #1
PCurry57
Liberal Hippie Chick
 
PCurry57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 224
Time Warner Cable May Drop CBS From Its TV Lineup

Time Warner Cable May Drop CBS From Its TV Lineup

Don't be left stranded without your favorite programming! Time Warner Cable has not renewed its contract to provide you with all your favorite CBS shows. Don't be the only one who can't see NCIS, The Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls, The NFL on CBS, The PGA Tour, SEC Football, NCIS: Los Angeles, Person of Interest, Elementary, Hawaii Five-0, The Mentalist, The Good Wife and the final season of How I Met Your Mother.

http://www.keepcbs.com/
__________________
TiVo Premiere [746320]w/Slide&WD 1TB ext{Lifetime}
TiVo Premiere [746500]w/WD 1TB ext{Lifetime}
TiVo Stream (awaiting Android support/app update)
PCurry57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 12:15 AM   #2
LoadStar
LOAD"*",8,1
 
LoadStar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 30,696
This would only apply to areas with a CBS "owned & operated" station. Other CBS affiliates negotiate their own individual agreements with the cable companies.
LoadStar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 12:23 AM   #3
jsmeeker
Vegas Boy
 
jsmeeker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Dallas
Posts: 88,229
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoadStar View Post
This would only apply to areas with a CBS "owned & operated" station. Other CBS affiliates negotiate their own individual agreements with the cable companies.
Of course, that's a lot of major markets.
__________________
Jeff
Proud to use my TiVo improperly
President of the TiVoShanan Fan Club


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jsmeeker is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 12:31 AM   #4
LoadStar
LOAD"*",8,1
 
LoadStar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 30,696
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsmeeker View Post
Of course, that's a lot of major markets.
True, but the page linked to makes it sound like it would affect *all* Time Warner Cable customers, and unfortunately, the zip code search field on the page reinforces that impression. I'm rather certain that is incorrect, and that this would only affect those served by an O&O station who use Time Warner Cable.

Additionally, this sort of brinkmanship goes on all the time between broadcasters and cable/satellite providers. For instance, Journal Broadcasting is also currently fighting with Time Warner as well.
LoadStar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 07:41 AM   #5
Steveknj
Lost in New Joisey
 
Steveknj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 34,551
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsmeeker View Post
Of course, that's a lot of major markets.
From what I read, it's NY, LA and Dallas. But it also includes Showtime.

Personally I'm sick of this stuff. In the end, the customer gets screwed as our rates go up (I'm not a TWC customer, but eventually all providers go through this crap) and we end up financing another 5 versions of CSI and NCIS.
__________________
Annoying Blurb
Steveknj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 08:40 PM   #6
aadam101
Future Prez of ABC
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 6,992
I'm glad to see TWC is making cord cutters not regret their decision.
__________________
A passing grade? Like a C? Why don't I just get pregnant at a bus station!
aadam101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 09:49 PM   #7
mattack
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: sunnyvale
Posts: 16,933
Wait, can't CBS pull the "Must Carry" card?
mattack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 09:51 PM   #8
kdmorse
Registered User
 
kdmorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Germantown, MD
Posts: 4,147
Doesn't CBS dance this dance with someone every year. Dish.. DirectTV... etc...

Doesn't it always get resolved?
__________________
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
"Stop slouching! It's two O'clock in the afternoon, PUT PANTS ON!"
"Statistically speaking, there are two Popes per square kilometer in Vatican City..."
kdmorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 10:10 PM   #9
Azlen
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Peoria, AZ
Posts: 1,916
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattack View Post
Wait, can't CBS pull the "Must Carry" card?
CBS wants to be paid by Time Warner. They don't want to be carried at the price that TWC is offering them. Retransmission fees are now a pretty substantial revenue stream for OTA stations.
Azlen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2013, 10:59 PM   #10
spartanstew
Thanks 4 the Update
 
spartanstew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wylie, Texas
Posts: 8,538
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveknj View Post
But it also includes Showtime.
I noticed the blurb on Showtimes home page this evening about it.
__________________
"the dream never dies, just the dreamer"
spartanstew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2013, 12:26 AM   #11
Edmund
Remote Czar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Ca
Posts: 5,163
Here in the LA area it will include KCal ch 9 as well, which is owned by CBS.

Last edited by Edmund : 07-20-2013 at 11:17 AM.
Edmund is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2013, 07:36 AM   #12
ElJay
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,877
I'm so tired of endlessly seeing corporations whine about money problems with each other in the public domain. The money CBS is trying to pry out of TWC is going to come out of our pockets. These websites that are trying to tell me that I should pay more for already ridiculously-overpriced content and its antiquated delivery system can go away anytime now.
ElJay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2013, 11:31 AM   #13
aadam101
Future Prez of ABC
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 6,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElJay View Post
I'm so tired of endlessly seeing corporations whine about money problems with each other in the public domain. The money CBS is trying to pry out of TWC is going to come out of our pockets. These websites that are trying to tell me that I should pay more for already ridiculously-overpriced content and its antiquated delivery system can go away anytime now.
Agreed. The intentionally try to get customers in an uproar about it because both sides are big babies and can't handle it themselves. Totally stupid.
__________________
A passing grade? Like a C? Why don't I just get pregnant at a bus station!
aadam101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 08:58 AM   #14
Steveknj
Lost in New Joisey
 
Steveknj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 34,551
Quote:
Originally Posted by aadam101 View Post
Agreed. The intentionally try to get customers in an uproar about it because both sides are big babies and can't handle it themselves. Totally stupid.
Except:

A) There is stuff people watch...CBS is the highest rated network, especially among the older demos who are less technically inclined (yes generalization, and I'm in that demo)

B) They know this public bickering works....people will complain that their shows are not available.

It costs money to put out these disclaimers, so they must work or they wouldn't do it. TWC put out a full page ad in the NYT too this week.
__________________
Annoying Blurb
Steveknj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 09:42 AM   #15
scole250
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Goldsboro, NC
Posts: 678
Most areas, even Goldsboro NC, have options other than TWC for TV and they know if they drop CBS, they will lose customers. I wouldn't waste my time helping either side with any thing to help them tweek the negotiations. Unless they want to pay us for our input.
__________________
3 Premieres w/2TB each
Media server
scole250 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 09:53 AM   #16
Steveknj
Lost in New Joisey
 
Steveknj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 34,551
Quote:
Originally Posted by scole250 View Post
Most areas, even Goldsboro NC, have options other than TWC for TV and they know if they drop CBS, they will lose customers. I wouldn't waste my time helping either side with any thing to help them tweek the negotiations. Unless they want to pay us for our input.
The thing is, this kind of thing happens with ALL providers. DircTV, Dish, Cabelvision, Comcast, they all have gone through this. Switch to something else, and in 6 months, there will be the same fight with ABC or whatever. For me at least, unless it's something THAT important that I can't get another way, I'm staying put.
__________________
Annoying Blurb
Steveknj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 02:01 PM   #17
loubob57
Cancer sucks!
 
loubob57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 24,391
TC CLUB MEMBER
Won't affect my reception since I get it all OTA.
__________________
Well boys, I reckon this is it: nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Russkies.
loubob57 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 02:08 PM   #18
Hoffer
Captain Chaos
 
Hoffer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Twin Cities, MN
Posts: 31,620
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveknj View Post
The thing is, this kind of thing happens with ALL providers. DircTV, Dish, Cabelvision, Comcast, they all have gone through this. Switch to something else, and in 6 months, there will be the same fight with ABC or whatever. For me at least, unless it's something THAT important that I can't get another way, I'm staying put.
Yeah, these kind of things aren't even news anymore. We see this same story every couple months. They always end up figuring things out.

Is AMC on Dish yet? I remember that was one of these things where both actually held out and for a long time. It might still be going on.
__________________
Xbox/PSN/Wii U IDs: Hoffer
Hoffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 09:40 PM   #19
mattack
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: sunnyvale
Posts: 16,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by Azlen View Post
CBS wants to be paid by Time Warner. They don't want to be carried at the price that TWC is offering them. Retransmission fees are now a pretty substantial revenue stream for OTA stations.
I know, but I meant that Time Warner couldn't *actually* drop them, if CBS didn't ask for money.
mattack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2013, 09:44 PM   #20
TonyD79
Registered User
 
TonyD79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Columbia, MD
Posts: 4,019
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoffer View Post

Yeah, these kind of things aren't even news anymore. We see this same story every couple months. They always end up figuring things out.

Is AMC on Dish yet? I remember that was one of these things where both actually held out and for a long time. It might still be going on.
Dish and Amc had lawsuits. But they settled a d it is on.
__________________
Tony D
TonyD79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2013, 08:30 AM   #21
Steveknj
Lost in New Joisey
 
Steveknj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 34,551
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattack View Post
I know, but I meant that Time Warner couldn't *actually* drop them, if CBS didn't ask for money.
I think how it works is once CBS asks for re-transmission fees, they waive their "must-carry" status. So, in this case, TWC CAN drop them. So, you are correct, if CBS didn't ask the fees, they would be covered by "Must Carry". Of course that only applies to CBS owned affiliates.
__________________
Annoying Blurb
Steveknj is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2013, 09:16 AM   #22
sieglinde
Registered User
 
sieglinde's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Sebastopol, CA
Posts: 5,370
When I lived in the LA area my TiVo was never set to KCAL. It used tonshow better programming
__________________
Science over Superstition
sieglinde is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2013, 09:43 AM   #23
andyw715
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Wilmington, NC
Posts: 4,434
What is the longest one of these major 4 networks were dropped from a provider?

I've seen the notices, but haven't ever been affected.

Just curious.
andyw715 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2013, 12:39 PM   #24
DevdogAZ
Give em Hell, Devils
 
DevdogAZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Arizona
Posts: 37,389
Supposedly, CBS and Showtime were off the air in a few major markets for about 20 minutes on Monday night before the two sides worked things out. Luckily, my cable co. seems to be behind the curve on all these negotiations, so they just come in and accept whatever the established rate is after the other people fight it out.
__________________
"You don't own a TV? What's all your furniture pointed at?" Joey Tribbiani
DevdogAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2013, 12:43 PM   #25
philhu
User Since Day ONE!
 
philhu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Funcity, MA
Posts: 672
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattack View Post
Wait, can't CBS pull the "Must Carry" card?
They can pull the 'must carry' card if they do not charge for retransmission.

Alot of locals here in Boston did just that. Since carrying a station on cable lets a LP-TV (Low Power), or digital extra channel, like 5-2 charge more for commercials because they can claim higher viewership. ("Well, we are on FIOS in Boston, which has 160,000 subscribers, so we can assume 2% watch our channel every week").

I was on Arbitron rating as a 'pager wearer' for 2 years, just ended. It is pretty amazing how the ratings stuff works.
__________________
-----------------
Phillips (S1-retired)
Sony SVR-2000 (S1-retired)
Tivo (S2-retired, 500gb HD, 2 units)
TivoHD (2tb HD, chip mod, 2 units)
Tivo Premiere (2tb HD)
Tivo Premiere4 (2tb (JMFS) HD)
philhu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2013, 04:53 PM   #26
brianric
Registered User
 
brianric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Pennsville, NJ
Posts: 1,046
Breaking news from USA Today. Time Warner drops CBS in NYC, LA, and Dallas.
brianric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2013, 04:58 PM   #27
Snappa77
RUDEBWOY
 
Snappa77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: BOSTON
Posts: 1,106
In those markets what are the other cable options?
__________________
«If U STAND 4 nothing U will FALL 4 everything! ~ I'd rather DIE on my feet than LIVE on my knees!»
1 DVR40- GONE
1 R15- GONE
2 R10's- GONE
2 COMCAST HD TiVo DVR's. SofaKing slow.
Snappa77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2013, 05:08 PM   #28
MrGreg
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 411
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCurry57 View Post
Don't be the only one who can't see NCIS, The Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls, The NFL on CBS, The PGA Tour, SEC Football, NCIS: Los Angeles, Person of Interest, Elementary, Hawaii Five-0, The Mentalist, The Good Wife and the final season of How I Met Your Mother.
And not a single show I watch listed. I know they're popular with other viewers, but I just think it's funny that their "look what you'll miss out on" list is meaningless to me.
MrGreg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2013, 05:16 PM   #29
DevdogAZ
Give em Hell, Devils
 
DevdogAZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Arizona
Posts: 37,389
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrGreg View Post
And not a single show I watch listed. I know they're popular with other viewers, but I just think it's funny that their "look what you'll miss out on" list is meaningless to me.
It just means you're out of touch, since CBS is the top-rated broadcast network and several of the shows listed are among the higest-rated shows on TV. Probably not something you want to be bragging about.
__________________
"You don't own a TV? What's all your furniture pointed at?" Joey Tribbiani
DevdogAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2013, 05:23 PM   #30
lpwcomp
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: John's Creek, Georgia
Posts: 5,124
Is CBS planning on reducing their advertising rates of they lose a bunch of households?
__________________
James L. Sutherland
"You know TiVo users. Bunch of b****y little girls" TiVoAxe

"Jessica Fletcher visits Midsomer. Carnage ensues!"
lpwcomp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Forum Jump




Thread Tools


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Advertisements

TiVo Community
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Skins by: Relivo Media

(C) 2013 Magenium Solutions - All Rights Reserved. No information may be posted elsewhere without written permission.
TiVo® is a registered trademark of TiVo Inc. This site is not owned or operated by TiVo Inc.
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:01 AM.
OUR NETWORK: MyOpenRouter | TechLore | SansaCommunity | RoboCommunity | MediaSmart Home | Explore3DTV | Dijit Community | DVR Playground |