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Old 08-26-2013, 10:54 AM   #91
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Walt gave a sharp look to Skylar when she said something to Hank about "it's all in the past"
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:55 AM   #92
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Walt makes an amazingly clean poison, and does so with the precision of a chemist and the care of an artisan. He's actually producing a consistent, pure poison that would be considered pharmaceutical quality.
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:55 AM   #93
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Unless you were a known thief. Then I might I still have suspicions.


I think that is the point here. Jesse has seen some pretty elaborate plans by Walt to make people think he didn't do something. I think in Jessie's mind, putting the pieces together that he stole the ricin cigarette was enough for him to think Walt was going to poison Brock with the ricin, realized Jessie would find out, poisoned him with something else and used it all as a cover up.
Nope - it was only a matter of hours between when we think huell lifted it, and when Jesse got the call about Brock in the hospital.. Ricin takes a few days to have effect.

I don't really care - I'll suspend disbelief for the sake of enjoyment...but as long as it was brought up, it was pretty sloppy storytelling for such a good show.

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Old 08-26-2013, 10:59 AM   #94
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Still didn't answer the question. And it's not a "wrong" question. It's no more "wrong" than yours. Prove to me that legalizing drugs would solve the problem.

Why would legalizing drugs be any different? Billions of dollars will still be spent trying to regulate the drugs, and there would STILL be illegal street drugs floating around. We'd have twice the problems.
There's a huge profit margin; that's what makes it attractive to criminals. How many criminals sell snack chips? There's not a huge profit to be made there. And there is a huge, competitive, marketplace.

Prices drop drastically. Quality would improve. It would be far less necessary for "addicts" to be robbing people on the street or burglarizing homes to pay for that habit. Police could focus on violent crimes. We wouldn't have prisons filled with people whose only crime was using an "illegal" drug, or possessing some amount of it for their own or their friends use. Billions of dollars could go towards improving and replacing crumbling infrastructure instead of wasted on fruitless labor that time and again is proven not to help one bit.

Take a legal drug: tobacco. When did criminals become interested in selling cigarettes? When it started to get taxed more than other products. When did liquor become a criminal empire? When government attempted to make it illegal.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:03 AM   #95
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yes, i agree
You're confusing the drugs Walt makes to the chemotherapy drugs that are legal.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:04 AM   #96
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Why would legalizing drugs be any different? Billions of dollars will still be spent trying to regulate the drugs, and there would STILL be illegal street drugs floating around. We'd have twice the problems.
We don't spend billions of dollars regulating alcohol, and we don't still have illegal speakeasies floating around.
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Umm, the country is full of addicts now. Haven't you noticed? "Addicts" may be too strong. "Users" is probably better.
Users aren't addicts. What's wrong with users?
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:13 AM   #98
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We don't spend billions of dollars regulating alcohol
There are many many many regulations for alcohol. Federal. State. Local. It's a huge mishmash of a mess.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:24 AM   #99
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I'm kinda surprised that no one has commented on the tank full of methylene being towed back to New Mexico.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #100
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I'm kinda surprised that no one has commented on the tank full of methylene being towed back to New Mexico.
Yeah, how obvious was that....
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:54 AM   #101
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Walt gave a sharp look to Skylar when she said something to Hank about "it's all in the past"
Yeah I felt what Walt was feeling at that point. She just admitted there was an "it". Walt hadn't admitted anything like that yet.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:56 AM   #102
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By the way I saw a look in Walt's eye after Marie suggested that he commit suicide. She said something like "you're saying the problem goes away if you die, right? Then just commit suicide - kill yourself".

It was almost like he was considering staging suicide as an out (while lying about it). It would explain neighbor Carol's reaction to seeing Walt.
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Old 08-26-2013, 11:59 AM   #103
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I thought at least part of the reason Jesse was pissed back when he accused Walt of taking the cigarette was that Walt let Jesse falsely believe that he (Jesse) was responsible for what happened to Brock. If Gus stole the cigarette, then Walt did not stand by and callously allow Jesse to beat himself up over something that wasn't his fault. Jesse has now confirmed that Walt did not give a sh@t that Jesse was tormented by what he perceived to be his part in Brock getting sick. That he eventually learned that Brock did not in fact injest ricin is besides the point, he spent a decent period of time wracked by guilt.

ETA: Nevermind. Later posts have triggered my memory and I now realize that this was completely wrong.

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Old 08-26-2013, 12:06 PM   #104
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When did Walt and Jesse stop trusting each other? I am not sure what I mean here, but it seems like they were at least doing okay with each other - watching each other's backs and such for a couple seasons.

Was it Jane dying? I just rewatched 4 Days Out and it seemed they were good/as good as ever - then. Was it Gus trying to split them apart? Or Mike and even then Jesse got between Mike's gun and Walt.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:06 PM   #105
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It would explain neighbor Carol's reaction to seeing Walt.
I think Carol's reaction is explained by seeing the man who she's heard all the horrible\evil things about by the time we see her.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:08 PM   #106
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I think that a big part of the reason that Jesse put together what happened with the ricin goes back to the desert scene. When Jesse asks if Walt is going to kill him, like he killed Mike, Walt never denies killing Mike. So up until that point, Jesse has suspicions, but I think that this confirmed it for him. So he decides to disappear, knowing that if he doesn't he is going to take a trip to Belize.

So at the point where Jesse realizes that his pot has been lifted, he no longer trusts anything that Walt has told him. So he figures out that Saul/Huell lifted the ricin, so he goes to them first, not to Walt. He knows that Saul is involved in the Ricin disappearing, but he gets Saul to admit what happened, so he then is certain that Walt was involved. So why would Walt direct Saul to steal the ricin, then make it reappear? Because the whole ricin incident, and Brocks poisoning was Walt playing Jesse, and I don't think at this point it matters much whether Jesse knows or suspects that Walt really did poison Brock. What matters, is that Walt manipulated the situation, led Jesse and the doctors to believe it was Ricin, Jesse believing that Gus was responsible, and leading to Jesse almost murdering Gus. And IMO that is why Jesse is striking back at Walt, not because he knows that Walt poisoned Brock, but because Jesse knows that the whole thing was Walt attempting to work Jesse.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:11 PM   #107
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By the way I saw a look in Walt's eye after Marie suggested that he commit suicide. She said something like "you're saying the problem goes away if you die, right? Then just commit suicide - kill yourself".

It was almost like he was considering staging suicide as an out (while lying about it). It would explain neighbor Carol's reaction to seeing Walt.
See this POST in the ep 9 thread...that's my theory.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:14 PM   #108
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See this POST in the ep 9 thread...that's my theory.
I think if Walt was dead, he would've picked a more discrete time to go back to the house. Of course, if the reason he would need to fake his death is irrelevant at that point, he just wouldn't care.
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If Jesse is that mad at Walt is there any reason for him to NOT tell the cops everything?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:16 PM   #110
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Walt gave a sharp look to Skylar when she said something to Hank about "it's all in the past"
Up to that point, Walt had been cagily and carefully speaking in hypotheticals with Hank, even during their garage fight. Saying "it's all in the past" was a direct admission by Skylar.
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:19 PM   #111
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See this POST in the ep 9 thread...that's my theory.
Yeah that's what I was referring to - your post.
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I think Carol's reaction is explained by seeing the man who she's heard all the horrible\evil things about by the time we see her.
Not to mention what he's done to her property value...
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:25 PM   #113
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Nope - it was only a matter of hours between when we think huell lifted it, and when Jesse got the call about Brock in the hospital.. Ricin takes a few days to have effect.

I don't really care - I'll suspend disbelief for the sake of enjoyment...but as long as it was brought up, it was pretty sloppy storytelling for such a good show.
I'm fairly certain that Jesse doesn't think Walt used the ricin on Brock. I think that deep inside, Jesse has always been suspicious of how Walt found the "missing ricin", and of the flower with ricin-like symptoms that Brock had gotten ahold of coincidently when his ricin went missing.

He did consider that Huell might have taken his ricin during his unusually intrusive pat-down, but dismissed it without any other evidence that Huell had had that skill.

When Jesse was searching his pockets for his weed, he knew that he had had it on him just before walking out the door, and thus probably quickly came to the conclusion that Huell had taken it, and was pissed off at him for doing so. He then reached for his cigarettes to smoke one of those instead, and as he pulled the pack out of his pocket, remembered the only other time Huell had invaded his space, just before he found out that Brock had been poisoned.

I'm sure he recalled that Walt had claimed to have found the ricin later on, but at the same time was suspicious of the fact that it mysteriously showed up only when Walt came to help him look for it.

It didn't matter that Walt hadn't used the ricin on Brock. What mattered was that Walt had taken the ricin, which meant that he had lied about finding it and also not knowing what had happened to it. It also meant that it was likely that he had poisoned Brock since it would have been too coincidental for Walt to have wanted the ricin stolen just before Brock got poisoned with something that showed similar symptoms.

There is still some reasonable doubt that Walt might be able to take advantage of, however, in order to explain his way out of this situation. It will be interesting to see what he does next week.
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If Jesse is that mad at Walt is there any reason for him to NOT tell the cops everything?
Because he hates Hank, is not a fan of cops, and is an irrational criminal?
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If Jesse is that mad at Walt is there any reason for him to NOT tell the cops everything?
Yes. He can't stand Hank either, and I don't think he wants to go to jail. I don't think Jesse turns state's evidence, but if he does, he'll be dead even sooner than I think he'll be dead.
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I thought the realization of the Ricin was brilliant. Jesse suddenly realized that Huell is really good at pickpocketing things, and that suddenly explains how he lost the Ricin cigarette. He'd never fully accepted the explanation that Gus stole it, or that it got lost in his house. That was all just too convenient. And now he has confirmation that Huell takes things from his pocket at the direction of Saul. So it wasn't a big leap for him to then suspect that Huell had done the same thing with the Ricin, and he wasn't about to head off to Alaska without confirming his suspicions, so he goes back to Saul's office and Saul confirms what Jesse suspected: Walt was manipulating Jesse all along, even using a very sick little boy to work Jesse, and potentially even causing that boy to be sick.

Or what BitbyBlit posted (much better than I did) while I was typing.
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Up to that point, Walt had been cagily and carefully speaking in hypotheticals with Hank, even during their garage fight. Saying "it's all in the past" was a direct admission by Skylar.
But the video was far more of a direct admission than Skylar's statement, so I don't think Walt would have been upset about that if he had been willing to go through with giving Hank and Marie the video.

I think by that point their statements were more CYA than trying to still hide their actions from Hank and Marie. At the beginning of dinner, they might have been still holding on to the slim hope that Hank and Marie would let this drop, but by the time Skylar made her comment, it was more about asking them, "What will be gained by going after us?" than attempting to proclaim their innocence.
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I think that deep inside, Jesse has always been suspicious of how Walt found the "missing ricin", and of the flower with ricin-like symptoms that Brock had gotten ahold of coincidently when his ricin went missing.
Nope on that point (at least the "always"). After they found the salt-ricin-substitute in the Roomba and Walt went to the bathroom to flush it, Jesse went into tears, beating himself up for almost having shot Mr. White. At that point there's no question that Jesse believed Walt.
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I really think Hank not telling anyone about his knowledge about who Heisenberg is is gonna be a big problem for him.
Yes, but so would telling.

He's in a tough spot. He'd better tell the writers to get really clever or he's not going to have a career left.

Walt really owns him. Hank may be the better fighter, but Walt is much smarter.
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Not me.

There have been moments where I was angry (usually relating to Jessie), but Walt is designed to be the character you identify with (EVEN as he goes deeper and deeper into darkness). I find it almost entertaining watching people root against him. I think one of the challenges was seeing how far they could get the audience to go on rooting for Walt. There's a majority of me that right now IS rooting for him (and if he meant that hug, he still has me on his side).

And before you go judging me - it's fiction. So I'm allowed to enjoy a consequence-free story.
I'm rooting for Walt too. I'm ready for Jessie to visit Belize. He needs to be eliminated.
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