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Old 10-20-2013, 10:20 PM   #1
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The Walking Dead - S04E02 - 10/20/13

Way to cut down the playing field of extras, both inside and outside the prison.

I am reminded of LOST where there was so many people on the plane that survived but only a handful that were main characters and that we cared about. So the others got killed off.

The opening scene was awesome. Rick is back in the game of killing walkers.

I think Carol must have some inner Merl in her the way she wanted to amputate the guys arm and then oh wait, no let's just stab him in the ear.

I am not sure I get what happened with the crispy people at the end. Someone torched them - was it Rick? or Carl?
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My first impression is that they knew they were dying and burned themselves to stop the infection from spreading. But you never know...
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:30 PM   #3
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I think Carol must have some inner Merl in her the way she wanted to amputate the guys arm and then oh wait, no let's just stab him in the ear.
She was going to amputate his arm, but then she saw the other bite on his neck. And probably decided that amputating his head would be counter-productive.
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:33 PM   #4
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She was going to amputate his arm, but then she saw the other bite on his neck. And probably decided that amputating his head would be counter-productive.
Yeah, I saw the back of his neck, but she was really into getting the daughters to take him out and then just went on to do it herself. All good because it's better than him becoming a walker, and her character has changed from season one for sure.
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I also think it's one thing to ask a child to kill a walker who is a stranger to them, but another thing entirely to ask them to kill a walker who used to be family.

The distinction between human and walker is blurred even for adults (when it comes to family). Asking the child to do it is just cruel.
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She didn't ask the girl to do it, the girl volunteered and said that she should do it. Then couldn't go through with it. Of course, maybe Carol should have refused but hey, it's her father...

I think someone burned the bodies. The question is were they turned already, or at least dead? Given the amount of blood I'd have to say yes. But Tyreese doesn't appear to be too happy about it regardless.
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My first impression is that they knew they were dying and burned themselves to stop the infection from spreading. But you never know...

No. Someone killed them, dragged them outside and lit them..
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But Carol called her weak which seemed harsh. I think they are trying to present her as having crossed a line.

So who is feeding the walkers?

Comically gruesome tonight.
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Couple thoughts I had......

1. I know you don't expect walkers inside the perimeter but I still think the my cell door would be shut while I slept.

2. Why not just let the squealing pigs lose and let the walkers chase them all over the woods?
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My first impression is that they knew they were dying and burned themselves to stop the infection from spreading.
Definitely not. Those were bloody drag trails, not bloody footprints.

While it is remotely possible that they died of the same disease as the boy and then someone dragged the bodies out and burned them, that is very unlikely. One, there was much more blood than when the boy died. And two, there is little reason for someone to do such a thing without alerting the leaders.

So most likely, by far, is that someone killed them (probably with a knife to a major artery to account for all the blood) and then dragged the bodies out and burned them.
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So who is feeding the walkers?
Probably the girl who liked "Nick", and maybe the other girl.
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2. Why not just let the squealing pigs lose and let the walkers chase them all over the woods?
A pig is probably too fast for a walker to keep up with. You might get a few walkers to chase the pigs, but you run the risk of not getting the majority of the walkers to give chase.
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2. Why not just let the squealing pigs lose and let the walkers chase them all over the woods?
I don't know why he sacrificed multiple pigs. The first one got them all off the fence, and then then didn't do anything to kill any of them anyways so they will all just go back to the fence.
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Swine flu. The dead pig, then the dead person. Seems obvious. Unless I am wrong.
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I don't know why he sacrificed multiple pigs. The first one got them all off the fence, and then then didn't do anything to kill any of them anyways so they will all just go back to the fence.
Because he had to get rid of the pigs anyway (for fear they were sick). Killing two bird with one stone. Well, two pigs with on zombie horde. OK, killing three pigs with one zombie horde!

(Man, it gets ugly fast when metaphors turn literal! Then again, since "literal" now means "figurative," I guess metaphors are now ALWAYS literal...)

Ahem. Also, the successive pigs drew the zombies further away from the fence, giving them more time to reinforce it before the zombies came back.
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If I was worried about sick pigs making humans sick, I'd be more careful to not spray myself in the face with blood.
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If I was worried about sick pigs making humans sick, I'd be more careful to not spray myself in the face with blood.
I've always thought the same about killing zombies, but that doesn't seem to bother them...
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There are so many things they could do to fortify the prison. Give me a few days and a dozen helpers and I would have a ring of dump trucks lined up bumper to bumper out by the tree line with improvised obstacles to stop walkers from crawling under. Let them pile up against that.
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No. Someone killed them, dragged them outside and lit them..
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Definitely not. Those were bloody drag trails, not bloody footprints.
Makes sense. I forgot all about the bloody trail. That's what you get when you watch a football game at the same time!
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Probably the girl who liked "Nick", and maybe the other girl.
It seemed like the person doing it was an adult (height relative to the walker). They made a point to show the guy from The Wire has PTSD, so he probably figures in either this or the murder (or both).
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:11 AM   #21
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If I was worried about sick pigs making humans sick, I'd be more careful to not spray myself in the face with blood.
I had that thought too. The blood is all over Rick and then he hugs Carl. Yep no contamination there.

Rick's face after he sliced the pigs looked like he was thinking "damn, no bacon this fall"
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So who is feeding the walkers?
That's a good question. If somebody can walk up to the fence at night with a flashlight and feed the walkers, then it would seem that there is nobody watching the perimeter at night. So why just feed the walkers to make them mass at certain points? Why not just cut holes in the fence and let them in?

My first thought, since Michonne can't seem to locate the Governor anywhere nearby, is that he and his lackeys are holed up inside the prison somewhere, perhaps in one of those unused cell blocks. Maybe the sick people were put in the same cell block that the Governor was in, so he had to get rid of them.

My solution to the walkers massing at the fence would be to lob a Molotov cocktail at them. That would clear them out pretty quickly, I think.
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There are so many things they could do to fortify the prison. Give me a few days and a dozen helpers and I would have a ring of dump trucks lined up bumper to bumper out by the tree line with improvised obstacles to stop walkers from crawling under. Let them pile up against that.
Does Georgia have that many dump trucks?!?
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There are so many things they could do to fortify the prison. Give me a few days and a dozen helpers and I would have a ring of dump trucks lined up bumper to bumper out by the tree line with improvised obstacles to stop walkers from crawling under. Let them pile up against that.
Yes! The town had a good fortress wall built up. Even a huge moat where the walkers fall in and can't get out of. Then just torch it once a week or so.

Instead of that, they started a farm.

Actually was Rick the only one working on the farm?
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Yes! The town had a good fortress wall built up. Even a huge moat where the walkers fall in and can't get out of. Then just torch it once a week or so.

Instead of that, they started a farm.

Actually was Rick the only one working on the farm?
With Carl's help.

It was as much a therapy as it was a food source - which is why Rick reacted to badly to losing the pigs.

Remember Carl's response to Michonne about why he didn't wear his dad's hat anymore? "It's not a farming hat" - that was to show us their new (and fleeting, apparently) state of mind.
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With Carl's help.

It was as much a therapy as it was a food source - which is why Rick reacted to badly to losing the pigs.

Remember Carl's response to Michonne about why he didn't wear his dad's hat anymore? "It's not a farming hat" - that was to show us their new (and fleeting, apparently) state of mind.
Yes, even with Carl's help it was a lot for a man and a boy to do. I figured some of the other kids or newbies would be helping.

What did all those guys from Woodbury do? just sit around the prison?
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It seems to me like Rick might be blamed for torching the bodies. That scene was pretty soon after seeing Rick torch the pig pen.

As for how many people are left in the prison group:

On The Talking Dead, Greg Nicotero said:

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that at the beginning of this season, there were about 45 people in this group, and that they killed about 14 last night.

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Glad to see Rick and Carl back in the killing game. Didn't like them as much as gardeners (not that there's anything wrong with that).

There must be some mystery going on about the killing, dragging, and torching of the girl and that guy, as well as the rat-feeding thing.

Funny how I can watch people get their heads cut off and it doesn't phase me but I have to look away and plug my ears if any animals are being hurt.

Re: Talking Dead (nothing spoilery, just hiding because some peeps here hate TD) -
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Couple thoughts I had......

1. I know you don't expect walkers inside the perimeter but I still think the my cell door would be shut while I slept...
Amen! You need more people to be able to survive, but with more people come more risks of somebody just randomly dying for any number of reasons...

I'd sleep with the cell door closed and some type of locking mechanism that would require a live human to open and that a zombie could not....I'd then sleep like a baby!
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Probably the girl who liked "Nick", and maybe the other girl.
I thought that was pretty strongly implied as well. The girl was feeding the zombie that she had become attached to, almost as if Nick was a pet.

I notice one thing that seemed like a continuity mistake. After Rick led all the walkers away and he was burning the pig pen, they showed the mass of walkers back pushing on that same spot in the fence and nobody seemed to care about it. I'd think that if the walkers nearly breached the perimeter once, they'd be a lot more careful to prevent the walkers from building up like that again, but it seemed that they just went right back to letting them gather.
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