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Old 06-14-2013, 09:16 AM   #241
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In the final scene of the saga, Joffrey should be taking a bath in the dragons' blood while feasting on Dany's boiled head.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:18 AM   #242
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I think Tywin is only concerned with building the "Lannister Legacy" He's got Joffrey on the Iron Throne, with the Male Starks out of the way he can get Tirion/Sansa's kid as ruler of the North, and with Cersei/Loras offspring he gets a (sort of) Lannister as ruler of Riverrun. Lannisters ruling everywhere!

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Old 06-14-2013, 09:19 AM   #243
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Some guy asked his dad to try and name all of the characters on Game of Thrones. Here's what he came up with:

http://www.happyplace.com/24473/some...nes-characters
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:23 AM   #244
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and with Cersei/Loras offspring he gets a (sort of) Lannister as ruler of Riverrun
I think you mean Highgarden. Riverrun is currently in Tully control, though it has been promised to Lord Frey.
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Old 06-14-2013, 09:50 AM   #245
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Some guy asked his dad to try and name all of the characters on Game of Thrones. Here's what he came up with:

http://www.happyplace.com/24473/some...nes-characters
That is hilarious. Some of the names he got wrong are awesome.

James Stark? Nedder. Lord Buccaneer.

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Old 06-14-2013, 10:11 AM   #246
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Where the heck did he come up with James Stark?
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:41 AM   #247
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Where the heck did he come up with James Stark?
He's probably just finding the Bran scenes about as interesting as I do.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:29 AM   #248
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I didn't see that at all. Tywin simply kept him around to talk to him about those babies he's supposed to be working on. Before he could, Tyrion said something, and everything Tywin said was just a response to each thing Tyrion said. If anything, I'd say they were at odds with each other on every point discussed.
I think Tywin is constantly measuring, assessing, and re-assessing every person he comes in contact with; Tyrion included. Every reaction and every word is evaluated and filed away. It's who he is.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:50 AM   #249
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Tyrion may appreciate that Robb's death is a major strategic win for the Lannisters, but I don't think he would be happy about it.
This was my point. I'll have to re-watch again, but it felt to me like Tywin was gloating with pride over what he had accomplished. Even if Tyrion doesn't approve, he can still appreciate the strategic nature.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:52 AM   #250
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I think Tywin is constantly measuring, assessing, and re-assessing every person he comes in contact with; Tyrion included. Every reaction and every word is evaluated and filed away. It's who he is.
But he also filters everything that comes in through his very biased mind. Nothing Tyrion can do is ever going to make his father be proud of him.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:58 AM   #251
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That is hilarious. Some of the names he got wrong are awesome.

James Stark? Nedder. Lord Buccaneer.

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These were a couple of my favorites...



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Old 06-14-2013, 12:04 PM   #252
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I think Tywin's stregnth is he's good judge of people, especially his family. He know the strengths and weaknesses of all the Lannisters. He know that Jamie is not that bright, but he's a good soldier. He knows Ceirce's strength is that she can make more Lannisters. He knows Tyrion can take on things that take some actual thinking to get done, but he also knows he's very impulsive, so it's probably best not to keep him at one thing too long. He knows Joeffrey is pretty useless, and his only strength is that he's a Baratheon, by name at least, and that he can steamroll the kid into doing what he wants. I do think there will come a time when Tywin has no use for Joeffry and he'll figure out an accident similar to what happened to King Robert.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:09 PM   #253
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But he also filters everything that comes in through his very biased mind. Nothing Tyrion can do is ever going to make his father be proud of him.
I should have introduced him to my mom, same issue
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:19 PM   #254
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I should have introduced him to my mom, same issue
If she could just see past his height!
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:24 PM   #255
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Some guy asked his dad to try and name all of the characters on Game of Thrones. Here's what he came up with:

http://www.happyplace.com/24473/some...nes-characters
I loved that! I probably couldn't do all that much better. A number of the characters, whose names I'm pretty sure I do know, I nevertheless blanked out on as soon as I saw his attempts, and now I can't recall the correct names.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:46 PM   #256
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Where the heck did he come up with James Stark?
I half expected him to say Tony.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:58 PM   #257
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:47 PM   #258
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But he also filters everything that comes in through his very biased mind. Nothing Tyrion can do is ever going to make his father be proud of him.
No, not proud. But I got that he recognizes that Tyrion is smart. And it pisses him off even more because he is physically flawed and his birth killed his mother.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:06 PM   #259
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Loved that Happy Place thing with the names. It really highlights what a ridiculous number of relatively prominent characters there are in this show. And reminds me that we haven't seen Littlefinger for a really long time.

And why bother casting Ciaran Hinds as Mance Rayder if he's only going to get 4 minutes of screentime the entire season.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:27 PM   #260
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No, not proud. But I got that he recognizes that Tyrion is smart. And it pisses him off even more because he is physically flawed and his birth killed his mother.
Yeah, I think it pissed him off that he had to admit Tyrion was capable when he needed somebody to take over at King's Landing. But now that he is there himself, he has no intention whatsoever of letting Tyrion help in any way (except marrying and impregnating a Stark girl, which he probably figures Tyrion is qualified for because of his extensive experience in whoring and debauchery, not because of any positive qualities he might posses).

So his recognition of Tyrion's intelligence was due to momentary desperation, not any kind of level-headed analysis of his son's qualities.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:50 PM   #261
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And why bother casting Ciaran Hinds as Mance Rayder if he's only going to get 4 minutes of screentime the entire season.
Maybe Mance Rayder's storyline isn't over yet.
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LOL I meant Tywin, nothing I did was ever good enough for her so she and Tywin would have made a good pair.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:22 PM   #263
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I think Tywin's ... ... ... figure out an accident similar to what happened to King Robert.
I thought Robert's death was completely by accident (a wile bore he was hunting fought back).
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Maybe Mance Rayder's storyline isn't over yet.
Oh, I'm certain that his story isn't done yet and that we'll see him again. That was clear from the fact that people were so excited to see his character and see who played him. It just seems strange that they made such a big deal about his casting before the season started and then we barely saw him at all the whole season.

It was my understanding that people were excited about him because he is prominent in Book 3. Is that not correct? I understand the show only got through about 2/3 of Book 3, so maybe he'll play a more prominent role at the beginning of next season. Or did the show make him into a less prominent character than he was in the books up to this point?
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It was my understanding that people were excited about him because he is prominent in Book 3. Is that not correct? I understand the show only got through about 2/3 of Book 3, so maybe he'll play a more prominent role at the beginning of next season. Or did the show make him into a less prominent character than he was in the books up to this point?
You can't draw an exact parallel to the timeline of the book(s) and where the show is at, mainly because the different POV characters of the book sometimes tell the story in not-so-chronological order. Plus, we've seen some elements of Book 4 already.

But there are several very important aspects of the Book 3 that we have not yet seen. I will say this: of the 4 or 5 most memorable parts of Book 3, only 1 (the Red Wedding) was shown in S3 (maybe 2 if people count Jaime's dismemberment). There is a lot of major, major drama left.
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I thought Robert's death was completely by accident (a wile bore he was hunting fought back).
There was Cersei's cousin/boyfriend, also Robert's squire, who under her instructions kept him well-lubricated during the hunt. We don't know how long he was fulfilling that role, but chasing vicious animals through the forest on horseback at breakneck speed is dangerous even when you're not drunk out of your mind. The odds were, as they say, ever not in his favor.
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There was Cersei's cousin/boyfriend, also Robert's squire, who under her instructions kept him well-lubricated during the hunt. We don't know how long he was fulfilling that role, but chasing vicious animals through the forest on horseback at breakneck speed is dangerous even when you're not drunk out of your mind. The odds were, as they say, ever not in his favor.
True, but it's not like anyone was forcing the wine down Robert's throat. He chose to be "well-lubricated" all the time, Cersai was just hoping one day an accident would happen.
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True, but it's not like anyone was forcing the wine down Robert's throat. He chose to be "well-lubricated" all the time, Cersai was just hoping one day an accident would happen.
Yes, but they made enough of a deal of letting us know that the boy was specifically tasked with keeping him drunk during his dangerous activity in which he fell from his horse and died, that we may assume that there is a correlation.

As I say, she was working to improve her odds. And we don't know how long she had been doing such things, but in this case it paid off. (Being Robert's squire, I wonder if Boy-Toy may also have made sure that his equipment was not up to full standards, e.g., his saddle...)

They wouldn't have wasted valuable screen time on introducing that character if there wasn't meant to be a pay-off. Robert's death is the pay-off.
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There was Cersei's cousin/boyfriend, also Robert's squire, who under her instructions kept him well-lubricated during the hunt. We don't know how long he was fulfilling that role, but chasing vicious animals through the forest on horseback at breakneck speed is dangerous even when you're not drunk out of your mind. The odds were, as they say, ever not in his favor.
I vaguely recall it was more then well lubricated. I thought Lancel had "super-charged" his wineskin with some "herb" from Pycelle.

Wasn't this almost directly insinuated? Or am I dreaming (which I will blame on super-charged herbs & spices).
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(Being Robert's squire, I wonder if Boy-Toy may also have made sure that his equipment was not up to full standards...
Makes for an interesting quote when taken out of context...
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