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Old 07-17-2013, 12:40 PM   #91
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IMO, the correct answer to the zelda question is The Hyrule Fantasy: Legend of Zelda or the Japanese equivalent. That is the game that launched the franchise. It was renamed to The Legend of Zelda for its subsequent releases on cartridge.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:07 PM   #92
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IMO, the correct answer to the zelda question is The Hyrule Fantasy: Legend of Zelda or the Japanese equivalent. That is the game that launched the franchise. It was renamed to The Legend of Zelda for its subsequent releases on cartridge.
From what I have been reading alternate names are acceptable. The example that comes to mind is it was originally Alice's Adventures in Wonderland has also been published has Alice in Wonderland. Both would be correct.
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One of the things that I think has changed sometime in the last 20 years is the requirement for first and last name. I thought the rule used to be in Jeopardy you could use only the last name, but in Double Jeopardy you needed both first and last. Now they seem to accept just the last name unless answering with only the last name is ambiguous.

Anybody recall?
Generally, if the last name is enough to clearly question the answer, they will accept it. "He discovered gravity. Who is Newton?" will work.

But if the judges don't think it's sufficient, they usually give you a quick chance to elaborate. But if you don't instantly jump in with "Who is Albert Newton?", they will bzz you.

And in FJ, you need to be certain a single name will suffice, as you get no second chances. They don't always require a full name in FJ, if a single name is clear. But if it's not, you are dead meat.

"This president declared war against Canada." If you answer Johnson, you are out, as it's not clear which Johnson you meant. Whereas if you answer Nixon, it would be accepted.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:30 PM   #94
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Generally, if the last name is enough to clearly question the answer, they will accept it. "He discovered gravity. Who is Newton?" will work.

But if the judges don't think it's sufficient, they usually give you a quick chance to elaborate. But if you don't instantly jump in with "Who is Albert Newton?", they will bzz you.

And in FJ, you need to be certain a single name will suffice, as you get no second chances. They don't always require a full name in FJ, if a single name is clear. But if it's not, you are dead meat.

"This president declared war against Canada." If you answer Johnson, you are out, as it's not clear which Johnson you meant. Whereas if you answer Nixon, it would be accepted.
Damn. Where was I when Nixon declared war on Canada?

I was thinking that they may have eased up the rules about needing a first name. I do understand the current rule. Is it possible that it changed or is my memory a bit fuzzy?
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:49 PM   #95
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Damn. Where was I when Nixon declared war on Canada?

I was thinking that they may have eased up the rules about needing a first name. I do understand the current rule. Is it possible that it changed or is my memory a bit fuzzy?
We'll need Trainman to answer that. Even though he claims he's in his 30's, he seems to know an awful lot about Jeopardy from 40 years ago.



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The funniest (to me) FJ happened about a month or two ago. The clue was something about "his diary entry" of April <something> 1945, read <something about having no regrets despite it all or something like that>.

I had absolutely no idea, but based on the date, I guessed Hitler.

They go to the third place contestant and she guessed Hitler, and Alex says "no... not even close."

I was like, "whoa! Dick move Alex!"

To his credit though, after they did the wager/total reveal, Alex offered a quick "sorry about that" before moving on to the next contestants.

The really funny part was that the other two guys also guessed Hitler.

I think the correct answer was Harry Truman.
Are you sure it was April 1945? Because August 1945 would be right after Truman dropped the bombs on Japan and that would make a lot more sense with the "no regrets" portion of the question.
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:30 AM   #97
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Generally, if the last name is enough to clearly question the answer, they will accept it. "He discovered gravity. Who is Newton?" will work.

But if the judges don't think it's sufficient, they usually give you a quick chance to elaborate. But if you don't instantly jump in with "Who is Albert Newton?", they will bzz you.
It wouldn't matter how quickly you jumped in with that answer. They'd buzz you anyway.


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Old 07-18-2013, 02:27 PM   #98
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We'll need Trainman to answer that. Even though he claims he's in his 30's, he seems to know an awful lot about Jeopardy from 40 years ago.
My mother watched the original version while I was in the womb.

I think waynomo's memory is a little fuzzy -- as far as I know, the "last name acceptance" rule has always been the same.
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It wouldn't matter how quickly you jumped in with that answer. They'd buzz you anyway.

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Are the contestants prevented from hitting the buzzers until after Alex is done reading the question?
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:38 AM   #101
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Are the contestants prevented from hitting the buzzers until after Alex is done reading the question?
No, but they don't actually work until after.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:02 AM   #102
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Are the contestants prevented from hitting the buzzers until after Alex is done reading the question?
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No, but they don't actually work until after.
Also, my understanding is that if you buzz in early, you get some kind of penalty where your buzzer is locked out for some small fraction of a second. This way, there's no point in you just spamming the button before Alex is done with the hopes of one of your clicks hitting right when they go active.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:15 AM   #103
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There is a light around the board that TV viewers can't see. You can only (properly) buzz in once it's lit up, and it lights up the instant he finishes reading. Buzz in too early, you are locked out just long enough for someone else to buzz in.

So yeah, buzzer management is a key skill to master.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:23 AM   #104
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There is a light around the board that TV viewers can't see. You can only (properly) buzz in once it's lit up, and it lights up the instant he finishes reading. Buzz in too early, you are locked out just long enough for someone else to buzz in.

So yeah, buzzer management is a key skill to master.
Do you have any idea of the mechanics of how this works? Is there a person? Sound activated?
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I heard that it's a guy. But it's always the same guy, so it's got the same rhythm all the time, leading to an advantage for the returning champion.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:23 PM   #106
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in various interviews I've seen for Ken Jennings, he claimed that it wasn't just his knowledge that kept him winning, but his skill in hitting the button as soon as possible so he could answer the questions he knew.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:10 AM   #107
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Anybody watch Friday's show? From contestant standpoint this has to be one of the worst showings in a long time.
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Old 07-21-2013, 11:29 AM   #108
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Are you sure it was April 1945? Because August 1945 would be right after Truman dropped the bombs on Japan and that would make a lot more sense with the "no regrets" portion of the question.
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In a PS to an April 12, 1945 letter, he wrote, “This was dictated before the world fell in on me… what a blow it was. But– I must meet it.”
That threw me as well - with the date, I didn't guess Truman. But it wasn't about the bombs, it was about Roosevelt's death and Truman being sworn in as President.
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I never realized that they counted spelling in Final Jeopardy:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/showbi...html?hpt=hp_t3

Although according to the story he would have still finished in the same overall place if he did get credit for it.
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Kind of makes sense, though. If you allow a minor misspelling, then where do you draw the line between that and a larger misspelling. Would it be OK if the contestant spelled something phonetically? I think a hard-line rule of "the answer has to be spelled right to be right" is really the only sensible way to deal with something like that.

Although Trebek could have been less of an ass about it. Admittedly, the answer looks all kinds of wrong when you just glance at it, but there was only one extra letter in there, and the judges had clearly had time to look it over and make a decision.
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It's funny. That show was the first show I have missed in quite some time.

I was going to be out for the evening and I wanted to transfer a movie over from the PC so my wife could watch it. I wanted to have the TiVo dedicated to transferring the movie so it wouldn't pause while my wife was watching so I canceled all recordings for that evening including Jeopardy. It was no big deal for any of the others since they would all be repeated later. But of course not Jeopardy.

Then I watch Thursday's show and of course Alex mentions the kid setting the record. And now this controversy!
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Old 08-05-2013, 01:07 PM   #112
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FJ will always make a reference to what they are looking for. In this case. see the bold red part. THIS GAME. You need to give the name of the game.

This happens with some regularity. A contestant will write down something that is part of the question, but is not the exact part they are looking for.
And for the record I now agree with the point you make. "This" is a clue telling you what they are looking for. After watching a bit more carefully over the last month or so, I do see this come up quite a bit in clues. I just never payed that close attention to it before I guess. (And it is not just in FJ.)

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Kind of makes sense, though. If you allow a minor misspelling, then where do you draw the line between that and a larger misspelling. Would it be OK if the contestant spelled something phonetically? I think a hard-line rule of "the answer has to be spelled right to be right" is really the only sensible way to deal with something like that.

Although Trebek could have been less of an ass about it. Admittedly, the answer looks all kinds of wrong when you just glance at it, but there was only one extra letter in there, and the judges had clearly had time to look it over and make a decision.
FJ has different rules than regular Jeopardy. They will allow misspelling, as long as the word is otherwise correct. So phonetically is generally allowed. But if the misspelling creates a different word--emanciptation is not emancipation--then it will not be accepted.

So if the answer is "John Deere", they would allow "John Dear".
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if the misspelling creates a different word--emanciptation is not emancipation--then it will not be accepted.

So if the answer is "John Deere", they would allow "John Dear".
But "emanciptation" isn't "another" word because it isn't a word.
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But "emanciptation" isn't "another" word because it isn't a word.
What I meant is it's not the actual word, phonetic or not. It's another word, regardless of whether that word actually exists. You're being petty, the point is it's the wrong word.

Here's a comment from the Jeopardy forum, that I think covers it well...

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Recently in a knowledge competition, an official ruled one team correct for answers of "Steven Hawkings" and "A Midsummer's Night Dream" in one game. Close enough? Sure they are. But they are also (according to the rules of the game) incorrect, and the other team felt like they had been treated unfairly.
Could Alex have been kinder in his reaction? Sure. But the kid was still wrong.

No one commenting on the winner's bet? He risked a Clavin!
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I TiVo Jeopardy so I am still mid-last week. Anyone catch the 10 year old girl playing on Tuesday? She was part nervous, part cute, and part goofball. I loved her, but she was an odd one. I cracked up when she tried to buzz in during her "Double Jeopardy" clue. Hilarious kid!
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I TiVo Jeopardy so I am still mid-last week. Anyone catch the 10 year old girl playing on Tuesday? She was part nervous, part cute, and part goofball. I loved her, but she was an odd one. I cracked up when she tried to buzz in during her "Double Jeopardy" clue. Hilarious kid!
Pretty much agree. Cute.
We've seen adults buff in during their DJ clue. I think it just happened within the last month.
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Although Trebek could have been less of an ass about it.
Do you even watch the show????



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The 10 year old was too cute for words.
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So if the answer is "John Deere", they would allow "John Dear".
And you have seen something like this happen on FJ? I get the feeling that you have a ton more experience watching the show than I do.

I am not sure dear/deer/deere is fair either.

FWIW - I would suck at FJ as I am a really poor speller. (Among other reasons.)

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