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Old 07-10-2014, 11:14 PM   #391
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:21 AM   #392
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Just watched the Teen Tournament and I was surprised at the Tie Breaker. I don't remember seeing that done before.
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:03 AM   #393
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Just watched the Teen Tournament and I was surprised at the Tie Breaker. I don't remember seeing that done before.
Yep, that was a pretty rare moment on Jeopardy. I was actually surprised since it happened so abruptly. I didn't know that they were going to do a sudden death question and that whoever rang in fastest and answered it would win on the spot.
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:21 AM   #394
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Just watched the Teen Tournament and I was surprised at the Tie Breaker. I don't remember seeing that done before.
In a regular season game, if there's a tie, both continue on to the next game. There has even been a three way tie.

So the tie breaker only happens in the final game of a tournament.

I liked the kid who won. He talks a bit like Kripke from BBT.
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:36 AM   #395
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In a regular season game, if there's a tie, both continue on to the next game. There has even been a three way tie.

So the tie breaker only happens in the final game of a tournament.

I liked the kid who won. He talks a bit like Kripke from BBT.
But he talks a lot faster.
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:38 AM   #396
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I've seen it before, but it's not common. I'm not a fan of it. After all the effort to win a tournament (or tie), to be resolved by who rings in first seems... less noble. I'm not sure what would be better; maybe another FJ-type question?
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Another FJ question could lead to another tie. Plus, they don't have the TV time for it.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:37 AM   #398
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Solution is simple, just keep asking regular items till tie is broken, then show only the one that was not answered correctly so it fits in the time allotted on TV. You could add the others to the online website for those wanting to see them, thus pleasing all without the silly first buzz wins thing. Much fairer.
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Old 08-04-2014, 09:47 AM   #399
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A second FJ round would be interesting. Then it comes down to betting strategy. Depending on the category, a contestant should bet either everything or nothing. But then, if they know that their opponent is betting nothing, then they only have to bet $1. But if they're opponent knows that they're only betting a dollar, then. . .

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Old 08-04-2014, 11:10 AM   #400
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When I saw it was a tie, I expected them to declare co-champions. That seems fairer to me than be abrupt, one-question playoff.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:11 PM   #401
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Just watched the Teen Tournament and I was surprised at the Tie Breaker. I don't remember seeing that done before.
I have seen this before, but not for a tournament final; I think there was a tie for the fourth wild card spot in another tournament.

I am pretty sure that the earliest tournaments had a different tiebreaker that didn't involve a question. For example, I think the tiebreaker in the first Tournament of Champions final would have been whoever had the higher score at the end of the first day (either that, or whoever had the higher semi-final score, but that wouldn't have been fair as one contestant could have had easier questions and/or weaker opponents).

Does the Teen Tournament need "a" winner? I know there was a time when the Teen Tournament winner qualified for the Tournament of Champions, but I don't think they do that any more.
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:34 PM   #402
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I've seen it before, but it's not common. I'm not a fan of it. After all the effort to win a tournament (or tie), to be resolved by who rings in first seems... less noble. I'm not sure what would be better; maybe another FJ-type question?
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Old 08-04-2014, 01:22 PM   #403
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Old 08-04-2014, 02:43 PM   #404
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I have seen this before, but not for a tournament final; I think there was a tie for the fourth wild card spot in another tournament.

I am pretty sure that the earliest tournaments had a different tiebreaker that didn't involve a question. For example, I think the tiebreaker in the first Tournament of Champions final would have been whoever had the higher score at the end of the first day (either that, or whoever had the higher semi-final score, but that wouldn't have been fair as one contestant could have had easier questions and/or weaker opponents).

Does the Teen Tournament need "a" winner? I know there was a time when the Teen Tournament winner qualified for the Tournament of Champions, but I don't think they do that any more.
Well, the winner gets $75k. They don't want to pay that twice. Plus. It's a tournament. There should be a single winner.
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:02 PM   #406
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:13 PM   #407
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When I saw it was a tie, I expected them to declare co-champions. That seems fairer to me than be abrupt, one-question playoff.
There was another point in the game when the scores were tied; before the first question. Even more fair to hand out participation trophies then, right?
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:10 PM   #408
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Today's champion's Final Jeopardy answer was a classic.
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Today's champion's Final Jeopardy answer was a classic.
I got it right away, just SEEMED correct. Didn't know for sure though
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:28 PM   #410
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Glad to see Jeopardy back for its 31st season. I can do without Alex's mustache though and I'll vote accordingly. Final Jeopardy was an easy one I thought today.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:46 PM   #411
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Crap I missed it. TiVo needed a reset and I didn't get to it until after it had aired. Oh well.
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Old 09-16-2014, 12:23 AM   #412
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Glad to see Jeopardy back for its 31st season. I can do without Alex's mustache though and I'll vote accordingly. Final Jeopardy was an easy one I thought today.
I vote for no 'stache.

And this is why they actually play the games. As well as I do playing Jeopardy at home, I had no clue for FJ. The hats just didn't register. I saw the quote with "foundation for future books" (or whatever it was) and thought for a minute it might be Asimov and his Foundation Trilogy. But the year was off.

I think this will be one of those FJ that was either an instaget, or a nowayaget.
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Old 09-16-2014, 01:25 AM   #413
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Well, it also had a "could it be?". I thought of Seuss but wasn't confident. It just seemed like a plausible answer in the last 5 seconds.
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:43 AM   #414
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So are there two new Jeopardy's each day?
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Old 09-16-2014, 07:41 AM   #415
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No. Some markets are showing a rerun and a new episode each day.
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Old 09-26-2014, 06:46 PM   #416
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Very strange FJ wagers. Why the guy would bet for a tie makes -zero- sense. If he gets it right, he wins. If he doesn't, he loses. No need to go for a tie.

And why would she wager for a tie? Same reasoning exists for her. She should bet a few hundred for the win, and to cover the leader's wrong answer. None of this made sense.

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I don't know the specifics of the situation you're talking about, but there's been all kinds of game theory stuff put out there to suggest that playing for the tie can be the optimal play.

Whether or not it's actually accurate, belief in the theory is enough reason for someone to go that way.
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I don't know the specifics of the situation you're talking about, but there's been all kinds of game theory stuff put out there to suggest that playing for the tie can be the optimal play.

Whether or not it's actually accurate, belief in the theory is enough reason for someone to go that way.
There are situations, typically where each player can affect the other by their wagers, where a tie bet can make sense.

Sadly, this wasn't one of those situations. The leader at the end of the game had total control of the wagering scenarios.

He chose poorly.

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What's really strange though is her bet (2nd place). It made NO SENSE at all. Watching it revealed, the entire Juniverse is going WTF. Until his bet was revealed, at which time it made perfect sense. Except they can't know what the other is betting. Can they?
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There are situations, typically where each player can affect the other by their wagers, where a tie bet can make sense.

Sadly, this wasn't one of those situations. The leader at the end of the game had total control of the wagering scenarios.

He chose poorly.

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What's really strange though is her bet (2nd place). It made NO SENSE at all. Watching it revealed, the entire Juniverse is going WTF. Until his bet was revealed, at which time it made perfect sense. Except they can't know what the other is betting. Can they?
Not following your reasoning for the 2nd place bet...she bet it all.
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Not following your reasoning for the 2nd place bet...she bet it all.
http://thefinalwager.co/

Especially this: http://thefinalwager.co/2013/09/17/h...ardy-part-one/

#1 had $18,900. #2 had $18,200. All she needs to wager is enough to beat him if he's wrong. #2 generally assumes if #1 gets it correct, he will wager enough to win. If he doesn't, he wimped out (or had a specific strategy in mind).

In general, if #2 has more than 2/3 of #1's money going into FJ, #2 wagers $1 more than the difference. This will give #2 the win if both lose, or if #2 is correct and #1 is wrong.

So she should bet $701. If he is correct, she's out. But if he is wrong, she wins! Instead she wagered all of it; had he been wrong, she would have lost anyway.

He bet for a tie, which makes no sense. Her bet in hindsight worked, but he had no reason to bet for a tie, he could have won this game outright.
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