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Old 09-25-2015, 12:55 PM   #1
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Heroes Reborn: Full Season

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The Katana girl is weird. Who has the power? Her? Is it in the sword? Her father who made it?

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Old 09-25-2015, 01:25 PM   #2
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I liked it. Obviously, they are starting slow and letting things develop. No Syler, and no twins with gunk in their eyes. I stopped watching in the middle of S2 of the first series.

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Old 09-25-2015, 01:42 PM   #4
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So far so good, IMHO. It seems unfocused, but this is only the first ep. It could go either way.

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Old 09-25-2015, 02:45 PM   #5
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They seem to be trying to go back to the well a bit with the storyline, mostly from season one with all the bag-and-tag stuff, a little bit from season three with the government registration act.

I found the Robbie Kay character a bit distracting because he was the central part of the Peter Pan storyline that ruined Once Upon a Time for me.

Another nit: two ordinary people with conventional weapons take out an entire room full of evos? Really? The guy with super speed should have been able to drop both of them by himself, but instead he just runs around the room in a circle until one of the ordinary humans shoots him.

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I started touching on it in the other thread. I'm still on the fence about it. It seems a lot like the original series. If that's the case, it won't hold me for long. The first one had some pretty sloppy writing. For instance, the guy that tried to kill Noah? Why didn't he just kill him? He could have just pulled out a gun and shot him. But he decides to try to strangle him instead.

I didn't like the two killers running around committing mass murder. They not only kill any evos they find, and come off incredibly one-dimensionally in the process, but will kill any regular person who happens to be around. I foresee them being like Sylar was in the first series. He was a horrible viscous villain, but the audience liked him, so they tried to build him up as being more than just a monster. And because the audience liked him, they just didn't want to outright kill him, so they went through convoluted methods to keep him alive. If you have very complex scripts, you need strong writing skills to pull it off, and it always came off as artificial to me. I can see these two killers being similar. They'll always be, in essence, mass murderers, but we'll be stuck with them for a long time.

I like the penny guy. "A penny for your thoughts." LOL. Here's a question.... was his briefcase filled with pennies? If so, wouldn't it be pretty heavy? Would he have extra strength?

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Another nit: two ordinary people with conventional weapons take out an entire room full of evos? Really? The guy with super speed should have been able to drop both of them by himself, but instead he just runs around the room in a circle until one of the ordinary humans shoots him.
I can understand the speedster not attacking them, but if he's too afraid to engage them, I'd expect him to run out rather than just run around the room.

Depending on their powers, I could see a couple of people with handguns taking out a room full of people. They're not fighters, they're just people who found they have an ability. A handgun can do a lot of damage quickly.

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Old 09-25-2015, 03:21 PM   #9
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I can understand the speedster not attacking them, but if he's too afraid to engage them, I'd expect him to run out rather than just run around the room.

Depending on their powers, I could see a couple of people with handguns taking out a room full of people. They're not fighters, they're just people who found they have an ability. A handgun can do a lot of damage quickly.
That's how I see it. Those evos clearly had no training or fighting skills. If those killers ever encounter evos with any fighting skills, they'll get fryed, frozen, or pounded 1,000 times a second, depending on the powers involved.

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That's how I see it. Those evos clearly had no training or fighting skills. If those killers ever encounter evos with any fighting skills, they'll get fryed, frozen, or pounded 1,000 times a second, depending on the powers involved.
Which made sense in context...this wasn't a revolutionary terror cell plotting the violent downfall of humanity. It's just a bunch of people getting together in a support group to whine about how hard life is as an Evo.

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I like the penny guy. "A penny for your thoughts." LOL. Here's a question.... was his briefcase filled with pennies? If so, wouldn't it be pretty heavy? Would he have extra strength?
I was also pondering the weight issue, thinking "how strong is he?"

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I can understand the speedster not attacking them, but if he's too afraid to engage them, I'd expect him to run out rather than just run around the room.
My impression was that he wasn't particularly in control of his speed, either due to panic or lack of control.


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Which made sense in context...this wasn't a revolutionary terror cell plotting the violent downfall of humanity. It's just a bunch of people getting together in a support group to whine about how hard life is as an Evo.
How Emo of them.


I'm still doing a WTF over Katana's power. When she first tried it out, I remember thinking that it was a useless power.
But I guess she can enter Cyberspace and come out somewhere else.

Any bets on whether she's Hiro's daughter?

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Any bets on whether she's Hiro's daughter?
Did Hiro time travel about 15 years in the past to copulate with the mother?

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Old 09-25-2015, 05:35 PM   #13
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Any bets on whether she's Hiro's daughter?
Well, we saw her father, and he looks nothing like Hiro, plus he's played by a fairly familiar actor...



But the actor's name is Hiro, so you're kinda right!

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Old 09-25-2015, 06:25 PM   #14
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Got through the first 20 minutes. Enjoyed it the first time around, but didn't like what I saw this time. Also, don't like subtitles and it appears there will be a lot (as there were in the first series - but at least the premise was novel and well presented back then).

Yeah - add me to the "fool me once" camp too

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Did Hiro time travel about 15 years in the past to copulate with the mother?
In one part of the "upcoming" at the end they flashed a bit with Hiro and he had gray in his hair, so there does seem to be some sort of time travel bit going on here.

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But the actor's name is Hiro, so you're kinda right!
Are we sure that was her Father? I knew that was the developer of the game, but I didn't think they confirmed it was her father. Although at one point in the game part she says something about recognizing his voice and it's very deep, not like Hiro's at all, so you're probably right.

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Old 09-26-2015, 02:54 PM   #16
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Did Hiro time travel about 15 years in the past to copulate with the mother?
You say that like it's not possible.


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In one part of the "upcoming" at the end they flashed a bit with Hiro and he had gray in his hair, so there does seem to be some sort of time travel bit going on here.



Are we sure that was her Father? I knew that was the developer of the game, but I didn't think they confirmed it was her father. Although at one point in the game part she says something about recognizing his voice and it's very deep, not like Hiro's at all, so you're probably right.
Dan has a point that it's not set in stone that on who's her father yet.

Although since Masi Oka is currently a regular on Hawaii Five-O, it's not like he's available to play a big role here.

I had considered that the whole video game bit was one way to work around his availability.

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Old 09-27-2015, 08:45 AM   #17
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I stopped watching Heroes so not exactly sure why I watched this.
I felt like it needed a "previously on" Heroes recap....

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Old 09-27-2015, 09:12 AM   #18
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For instance, the guy that tried to kill Noah? Why didn't he just kill him? He could have just pulled out a gun and shot him. But he decides to try to strangle him instead.
If I recall correctly the Haitian has the ability to wipe memories and to render people unconscious by touching peoples heads. He also can turn off other EVO's powers while their in his presence.

The Haitian could have simply touched Noah's head and rendered him unconscious and then killed him.

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How was it?
Yeah, no kidding! Zero chance I'd watch this.

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I was hoping it would go further back to the basics. Instead, there were lots of references to characters from the original. I watched it with my wife who had never seen the original. She said she liked it, but she must have been missing a lot of context.

I thought what made the original season of the original series interesting was that there were relatively few people with powers. This one, to maintain continuity, starts out with lots of people with powers. I don't find it as interesting a starting point.

I wish Hiro had just gone back in time and rebooted the whole universe.

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If I recall correctly the Haitian has the ability to wipe memories and to render people unconscious by touching peoples heads. He also can turn off other EVO's powers while their in his presence.

The Haitian could have simply touched Noah's head and rendered him unconscious and then killed him.
Or, when he was standing behind Noah, he could've just shot him.

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I missed some parts of the show do to by ADHD, but what is the significance of Molly Walker?

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I missed some parts of the show do to by ADHD, but what is the significance of Molly Walker?
She can find anybody.

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I started it, but immediately got the feel that this was a continuation of the previous Heroes series which I gave up on for being terrible. So I felt like I was missing context as well, so I stopped......

Now I'm wondering if I should finish the first series then watch this, but there was just something that got so terrible about the first series, I'm not sure I want to do that......

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I missed some parts of the show do to by ADHD, but what is the significance of Molly Walker?
She was in the prior series.

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Or, when he was standing behind Noah, he could've just shot him.

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Scott Evil: Why don't I just shoot him. Now. Pow!
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So much this.

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Yeah, I get what you are all talking about, but I found it entertaining, and I try not to over think these types of shows, but maybe that's because I'm not a SciFi/comic book geek and I just accept stuff for how they are. I watched the original until about midway through the last season when it just got stupid.

I like the teenager and his not figuring out how to control what he does and not being sure exactly what that is, but you knew the boyfriend would find him out. I also liked the penny guy, and I'm guessing he's a caretaker for the evos of some sort. Not sure about Zach Levi's and his "wife's" character yet, because I'm not sure what his purpose is yet, but maybe that will be explained later.

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Not sure about Zach Levi's and his "wife's" character yet, because I'm not sure what his purpose is yet, but maybe that will be explained later.
Not sure why you put wife in quotes...their son died at the Primatech explosion, and they blame the Evos and want to kill them all for revenge. She's just a bit more dedicated to the mission than he is.

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I've tried to watch this 4 times already. I keep falling asleep. I'll try again at lunch today.

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I've tried to watch this 4 times already. I keep falling asleep. I'll try again at lunch today.
I fell asleep twice before finally abandoning watching the second hour until the following day.

It was ok although I'm tired of reading English subtitles in the Japanese segments already. I'll keep watching until something else knocks it out of the rotation.

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