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Old 11-10-2008, 02:24 AM   #1
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Whale Wars

Anyone else watching Whale Wars? Pretty much every reality based show like Ice Road Truckers and The Deadliest Catch annoy me. I saw a trailer for Whale Wars, and though I thought to myself that this is another terrible show, I found myself intrigued by the idea.

Whalers, pirates, crazy hippies, for some reason this show caught my attention. I watched the first episode and though I did not agree with all of their behaviors, I did find myself wanting to watch this show in the future.

Anyone else watching this and planning on continuing to do so?
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Old 11-10-2008, 05:25 AM   #2
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YEa, i caught the first episode and thought it was pretty good. I'll watch the rest for sure.
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Old 11-10-2008, 05:55 PM   #3
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Is it any good? Though I sympathise with most environmental causes these folks should be on the terrorist watch list so I was reluctant to watch.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:48 PM   #4
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I'm finding this program interesting. I don't really agree with either side and these Sea Sheppards are CRAZY. Some of the footage they got is really incredible - like being able to film the two who boarded the whaling ship. I kept thinking how dangerous even filming this would be.

My husband works on the post production for this show and has assured me that the drama continues to escalate throughout the season. So I'll be watching.
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:07 PM   #5
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Hate to admit it but this is one of my favorite shows right now. There is no artificial drama, its real.

This could have gone the way of Ice Road Truckers, but they are keeping it real.

I bet the captain came up with the boarding/hostage idea when he was with Greenpeace and thats the moment they asked him to leave Greenpeace. The man is flat out crazy!
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:44 PM   #6
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I've been watching this for a few weeks; not sure if I saw the first episode.

Not quite sure how to put into words what I think of this show. I will just say their passion is matched only by their incompetence.

I mean, saving whales and the whaling industry is not funny. But it is funny to me that they boarded the Japanese ship and then the Captain goes on to tell the media they have been kidnapped.

Or how about launching a zodiac at dusk and then the bosun not checking in with the bridge.

The SAME thing happened in last week's episode. They launch the zodiac and barely tell the bosun to check in on the sat phone. What happens? Bosun not only neglects to check in with the bridge; but they have one of the girls riding in the bow!!!! Really???? 30 something degree water and we are riding in the bow? Short story long, they took a wave and she landed awkward, but again, this show is serious and hilarious at the same time.
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:07 AM   #7
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I agree. They are about as inept a ship's crew I have ever seen. The Captain is so self important it amazes me every time they show him. I'm thinking he spends most of his day in his cabin surfing porn on the web, he just looks like the type to me, and usually when they show him he's sitting there in his sweats staring at his laptop. Other than sappy poem writing, what else could he be up to for hours and days at sea?

...and what about the disappointing development that the helicopter had to stay in Melbourne to be serviced? The corrosion is so bad that it shouldn't be flown? I think there is much more to that story, corrosion doesn't sneak up on you and surprise you between inspections.... I think the pilot realized that he was on a death ship and decided to find some corrosion and get his butt off the SS Ineptitude.
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:03 AM   #8
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We watched most of the episodes this weekend (I think) and we noticed that that on the episode where they write messages on the bags of powder that one bag looked like it had a peace symbol but it was a Mercedes logo instead (very funny). We also noticed that their headquarters is Friday Harbor in Washington State.
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I don't know why I keep watching the show. Even my 16 yo thinks it's stupid.



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But it is funny to me that they boarded the Japanese ship and then the Captain goes on to tell the media they have been kidnapped.
If I were the Captain of the Japanese boat I would not have returned them. They boarded the ship (pirating) and then are crying kidnapping.
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I don't know why I keep watching the show. Even my 16 yo thinks it's stupid.





If I were the Captain of the Japanese boat I would not have returned them. They boarded the ship (pirating) and then are crying kidnapping.
For me; it's the juxtaposition of the passion and the ineptitude.

To your point of the kidnapping charge; yes, it's kin to crossing their bow, getting hit by the ship, and then saying "they totally ran us over".....it is just amazing.

And how about how the officers and captain were so non-chalant about replacing the crew that quit??? I guess it's a fact, crew are replaceable and transient in nature. I would think you might want some semblance of a steady and consistant crew that you can rely on; not shuffling in and training new crew every time out.

Did you see the "new crew" trying to launch the zodiacs? Just like earlier this season when they launched it sideways and crew fell into the water.
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Old 12-17-2008, 04:54 PM   #11
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:47 AM   #12
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What an absolute huckster that captain is. To claim he was shot on the deck of an undulating boat, FROM an undulating boat by a shooter nobody saw right at his heart and was saved by a bulletproof vest only HE was wearing and he was alerted to the "hit" by the pin of his hoopty badge pricking him RIGHT when the cameras were aimed at him with no other indication of being shot is absolute fantasy.

COME ON. What a total loser, and for all of those idiots on board to swallow it hook, line and sinker is just beyond comprehension. Now I'm SURE those that got off the Steve Irwin mid-cruise knew what a BSer this guy is and were happy to disembark.

I might just send a donation to the Nishan Maru to buy more flash bangs. I would not be surprised if the Irwin family politely asked him to rename his boat..
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WHALE WARS 2 summer 09!
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[quote=Jayjoans;6933947]What an absolute huckster that captain is. To claim he was shot on the deck of an undulating boat, FROM an undulating boat by a shooter nobody saw right at his heart and was saved by a bulletproof vest only HE was wearing and he was alerted to the "hit" by the pin of his hoopty badge pricking him RIGHT when the cameras were aimed at him with no other indication of being shot is absolute fantasy.

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I agree, he even said he thought it was someone shooting from a porthole

Even if he was in fact shot; why not have all your crew wear kevlar. Or I would think that you would at least advise potential crew that you feel there is a real possibility of the Japanese shooting at crew.

You know what though? I'll watch more and next year as well.

Very cool to see the whales crossing the bow of the Nisshan Maru. They are succeeding in getting the message out.

As for the reasons the Japanese are taking whales; I'm not sure how a feel about it.

The details are rather vague on this show about which whales they kill but I recall one type they kill there are 650,000 of them and the Japanese take 100 per year. I could be wrong on the numbers but I remember thinking that didn't sound too bad. Kinda like hunting; take from the herd; don't kill the herd.
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Interesting link here; the Japanese whaling ships all have http://www.icrwhale.org/abouticr.htm printed on them.


Interesting view from "the other side"....
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Interesting link here; the Japanese whaling ships all have http://www.icrwhale.org/abouticr.htm printed on them.


Interesting view from "the other side"....
I wonder how much "research" Japan would be doing if they were required to give away the whale meat rather than sell it. This sure looks like a commercial operation to me.
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Old 12-26-2008, 06:48 PM   #17
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I've been watching this show for the past several hours. Dunno why, but I happened to stumble on it and recalled this thread.

It's pretty interesting, and I agree with a lot of the comments about them being seemingly inept. Of course, I think the Japanese really ARE whaling and not "researching". Really, it's just an interesting to see. Also interesting how the Greenpeace people got pissed at them for boarding that Japanese vessle.
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Old 12-26-2008, 06:48 PM   #18
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:11 AM   #19
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yeah, Captain Fat Bastard is a joke, i keep watching to hopefully see him fall overboard!

he calls his people cowards if they are afraid to give there lives for his cause.
im all for saving the whales but claiming to be doing the right thing while having
a pirate flag flying on a ship named after someone who is probably turning over
in his grave is ass backwards to me.

i about started laughing my ass off when he got 'shot', if it had really happened
it would have left one helluva bruise and i would think with the two ships being
so close together it would have knocked him back a bit if he had gotten hit.

what really happened is he had that vest stuffed in the bottom of his locker
cause when he was back on land at some point he probably went out with a gun
and shot the vest and badge himself and didnt want anyone to see it till the time was right.

he is a big fat joke who needs to be harpooned right off the network!
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:29 AM   #20
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It is back up and running for season 2... watching the first episode right now!
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:33 AM   #22
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Ah yes, a whole new season of rage at my TV. I'm not sure why I watch this show, but I can't look away. Reportedly, it is Animal Planet's highest rated show by a longshot. I can only hope people are watching for the same reason I am, hoping the Steve Irwin rolls over and sinks this season.

I'm hoping beyond hope that they show the epiphany the US Navy chick has when she has it. Realizing she is on a ship of fools. They teased it a little bit, I hope they show it.

And the 2nd in command guy with the do-rag.....GEEZ. "don't give me a heading, tell me how many degrees left or right to turn!". What an absolute numbnuts, he almost killed some of the crew last year launching the zodiac, and this year he can't even steer the boat right. Even the techie guy knows more than this asshat.

I could go on and on....unbelievable.
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...And the 2nd in command guy with the do-rag.....GEEZ. "don't give me a heading, tell me how many degrees left or right to turn!". What an absolute numbnuts, he almost killed some of the crew last year launching the zodiac, and this year he can't even steer the boat right. Even the techie guy knows more than this asshat.

I could go on and on....unbelievable.
Wasn't their almost a mutiny involving that guy last season? He really does seem totally incapable!
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Captain Paul Watson on Whale Wars

Question: Do you think that the series Whale Wars helps your cause?

Captain Paul Watson: I think that Whale Wars is a very powerful tool in our efforts to end illegal whaling activities. It is both a dramatically entertaining and educational series. It brings people to one of the most hostile and remote areas of the planet and involves them intimately in the fight to save the whales. This kind of exposure translates into public support and political power. Whales Wars is good for Sea Shepherd and it is good for the whales.

Question: There are many negative comments on the Whale Wars forum, many attacking you personally. Does this concern you?

Captain Paul Watson: Not really. The kinds of people who visit website forums to leave negative remarks tend to be the kind of losers who have nothing better to do. Anyhow, my clients are whales not people. I'm not much concerned with the opinions of people over all. If people choose to support what we do then we welcome that support. If they choose to dismiss what we do, it is of no consequence to us. Overall I find this kind of negative criticism to be both encouraging and amusing. In a world where people are the problem, pissing off people who dislike what we are doing is a bonus. You have to actually be doing something to get people all worked up, so these attacks are encouraging, they are telling us we are on the right track and going in the right direction.

Question: But if other people read these opinions and are influenced to not support your efforts, is this not a concern?

Captain Paul Watson: It is not a concern whatsoever. We want intelligent supporters, people with the ability to think, to question, to discriminate, to seek the truth. If people are easily influenced by the opinions of others then these are the sort of weak minded people we do not need as supporters.

Question: There has been criticism that your crew appear to be amateurs, that they are not professional seamen. How do you respond to that?

Captain Paul Watson: I respond by saying that I agree with this assessment. I need people of passion on our campaigns. I need dedicated volunteers willing to risk their lives to protect the whales. The average soldier in the trenches in World War I or in the field in the Second World War were not professional soldiers - they were volunteers or they were drafted, they were amateurs.

Question: Your critics say that this is unsafe and that you are putting lives at risk and that this is an irresponsible thing to do.

Captain Paul Watson: I have been taking volunteer crews to sea since 1975 and in over 300 voyages; I have never lost a crewmember, not even one single serious injury. I think that is a record that speaks for itself. What is interesting is that our opposition are not so safety conscious. This year the Japanese whaling fleet had three serious injuries and one fatality. Two years ago they had two fatalities. They have had two devastating fires on the Nisshin Maru in the last decade. Perhaps our critics should be more concerned for the safety record of the whalers and not us.

Question: Another criticism and one voiced by a couple of Sea Shepherd crewmembers in the first season of Whale Wars was that you are sending volunteers to do things that you won't do yourself like boarding a whaling vessel or doing actions in inflatable boats.

Captain Paul Watson: I am the Captain of the ship and my place in on the bridge. I've also been doing this for four decades and I've done all the things that I ask my crew to do today. I would never ask a volunteer to do something that I would not do myself or have not done myself. My responsibility is to command the campaign from the bridge and I am responsible for all actions and all consequences. I do sometimes miss being in the small boats but that is no longer my place to be.

Question: Some of the crew in the first season of Whale Wars were openly critical, even disrespectful of you. Did that bother you?

Captain Paul Watson: No it did not bother me but it is not an attitude that I tolerate. All the crew who were disrespectful were removed from the crew upon return to the first port. I made the mistake of taking on a few people without properly vetting them first. One turned out to be a coward, another was just a complainer who did not seem to know our history, and a third was another whiner who I made the mistake of giving a second chance to and the fourth an insubordinate cowboy. They were the only four I had problems with and they were removed. I haven't received a single complaint about anyone on this year's crew.

Question: Some critics on the Whale Wars forum dismiss your claims of being shot by the Japanese whalers? What do you say to that?

Captain Paul Watson: People can think whatever they wish. I was shot in an area where there really is no jurisdiction for any policing body to investigate. The Australian Federal Police refused to examine the evidence i.e. the bullet, the vest, my clothing, the ships doctor's medical report etc. I can't prove I was shot and the Japanese can't prove that I was not. However I did an interview on camera just prior to being shot and there is no bullet hole in my clothing or vest and no shattered badge. There are no guns on my ship that could have been used to shoot me and none of the crew saw or heard anything that would suggest that I shot myself or another crewmember shot me. One moment I am on camera without any visible evidence of a bullet entry and the next there is a hole in my suit. It's pretty hard to catch a bullet on film in mid-air. It was a bullet that came from a few hundred yards away so it had lost considerable force by the time it struck me. I have that bullet and it has been examined by a U.S. law enforcement agent but he like everyone else has no legal authority to investigate the incident. The ocean is the Wild West and the normal laws simply do not apply. Was I shot? I know I was. My crew know that I was. What anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

Question: There have been criticisms that Animal Planet scripts the show and the Japanese whaling industry has accused Animal Planet of helping to plan tactics and strategies. Is this true?

Captain Paul Watson: There is absolutely no validity to such accusations. Animal Planet documents what they observe. They do not participate in meetings nor are they involved with any discussion or decision regarding tactics and strategies. They have no say in where we go, what we do or how we do it.

Question: Some critics say that the very name of the ship, the Steve Irwin was chosen by Animal Planet because of Steve Irwin's successful Animal Planet series. Is this true?

Captain Paul Watson: This is not true and entirely coincidental. Steve was a Sea Shepherd supporter and I have always been a supporter of Steve and Teri Irwin. Steve in fact wanted to come onboard with us to confront the Japanese whalers. I was scheduled to meet him to discuss this only a few weeks after the date of his death. Jeff Hansen, a director for Sea Shepherd Australia arranged for me to meet with Teri Irwin and Teri was very supportive of my suggestion that we rename the ship in honour of Steve. I felt that if we could not bring Steve with us to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary then we could at least bring his name. Steve represents everything I believe about activism - that individuals through passion and commitment have the power to change the world.
Question: Whale Wars seemed especially critical of Peter Brown your first officer. Was that criticism justified?

Captain Paul Watson: Whale Wars is a television show and as such it looks for drama and conflict and just as Animal Planet has no say in what we do and how we do it, we have no say in how they produce and edit their television show. For the record, Peter Jay Brown is one of the most passionate defenders of this planet that I am honoured to have as a friend. He has skippered my ships without mishap. We first met in 1982 when he came to Japan as a journalist to cover our campaign to protect dolphins. He has served as documentarian and ship's officer, as a Sea Shepherd director and as an advisor for twenty five years. I am the Godfather to his son Paul. I trust him completely.

Where Peter differs from me is that where I tend to tolerate problems with crew until I have the opportunity to remove them, Peter does not suffer fools and sometimes his lack of diplomacy cultivates enemies. On the campaign covered by the series, Peter's enemies happened to be the four disgruntled crew previously mentioned. They did not dare confront or defy me openly so they took out their animosity against Peter Brown and this was reflected negatively in the show.

My trust in Peter was illustrated when I gave him command of the ship when I had to sleep after being up for 72 hours. I knew I could sleep soundly with Peter in command of the bridge. He even dealt with the mutiny against him by Wilfred in a decisive manner. Wilfred was rightfully relieved of his duties and Peter had my full support for the decisions he made while he was in command of the campaign.

The show was incorrect in having Peter appear to be blamed for the overturning of a small boat during launching. The Bosun, David Jennings openly disobeyed my orders on launching the boat and he disobeyed Peter Brown's orders on deck. There is a fault to be attributed to Peter Brown and myself for allowing Dave Jennings to be in the position he was in - that was an error primarily on my part, but the actual capsizing of the boat was caused by Dave Jennings.

Question: What are your criticisms of the first season of Whale Wars?

Captain Paul Watson: I liked the show very much and I think the Animal Planet crew did a very good job overall. My only criticism is directed towards the lawyers for refusing to acknowledge the illegal whaling activities by the Japanese whaling fleet. I think the legal department were negligent in not citing the international treaties and regulations that the Japanese whaling fleet are in violation of. References to "legal quotas" had no basis in fact. I think the lawyers were worried because of Japanese pressure and complaints. I think Animal Planet was concerned that the show would appear one-sided. However the Japanese were offered the opportunity to present their side and they refused. Ideally there should be film crews on the ships of both sides but Japan refused to cooperate.

Question: How do you think the 2nd season of Whale Wars will compare to the 1st season?

Captain Paul Watson: I think that the 2nd season will be much more dramatic and intense and will focus more on our actions than our problems. Things were much different this year. We had a far superior crew. The Animal Planet crew this year were more professional, more disciplined and better organized. Whale Wars 2 will be a major hit. I am confident of that.
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Please Let The Japanese Whailing Fleet Use A Lrad On These Knuckleheads!!!
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I'm gonna be pissed is there ISN'T one! All that build-up for nothing...

My big problem with this show is all the staged attacks on Captain Paul. You know darn well he didn't really get hit in the badge with a bullet and you know darn well he sent that envelope full of powder to himself. How stupid does he think people are?

Having said that, my 9 yo son LOVES this show and it's one we can watch together so I'm still in for the long haul. Unless that Lrad sighting turns out to be bogus. Then all bets are off.
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I'm gonna be pissed is there ISN'T one! All that build-up for nothing...

My big problem with this show is all the staged attacks on Captain Paul. You know darn well he didn't really get hit in the badge with a bullet and you know darn well he sent that envelope full of powder to himself. How stupid does he think people are?

Having said that, my 9 yo son LOVES this show and it's one we can watch together so I'm still in for the long haul. Unless that Lrad sighting turns out to be bogus. Then all bets are off.
Guess this should be spoilered:
Spoiler:
Don't know if it takes place during the filming of the show or not, but they definitely get hit with LRADs. YouTube video here: Spoiler?

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the whale the Japanese fleet should be after is that fat bastard Paul!

im with bareyb in that he causes all the problems himself just to get sympathy from
everyone which is a bunch of crap cause all he is is a real life pirate, they even have
a pirate flag flying on board!

the whaling ships should harpoon the Steve Irwin and sink it, just to bad so many people
blindly follow that fool!
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Why not try to put some type of GPS tracking device on these whale vessels instead of throwing water ballons at them? Then you can track them and know where they are?!?
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Why not try to put some type of GPS tracking device on these whale vessels instead of throwing water ballons at them? Then you can track them and know where they are?!?
That'd probably get discovered pretty quickly. And such devices cost money, which they don't have. Also, they don't throw water balloons. They throw bottles of butyric acid.
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