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Old 09-22-2014, 11:48 PM   #1
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Sleepy Hollow S02E01 OAD 9/22/2014 (Season 2 Premiere)

OK! That was a pretty fun way to start the season.

One thing I often dislike about shows like this is that they can write themselves into any corner and then just make up a mystical rule to get themselves out. People don't really die, stakes aren't real, etc. The show kind of did that here, but overall I thought it did a good job creating a real cliffhanger to end last season, and then coming up with creative ways that were not enormous cheats to unwind most of it. Katrina is still captive and who knows when we'll see Irving, but the main characters are mobile again.

The main thing I thought didn't work was John Cho's character. He's basically helping Moloch or helping Abbie at the whims of the plot. He's never made a lot of sense.

But good stuff with the other John in the cast, John Noble. He is going to be a lot of fun in this role.

Overall, a good beginning to season two, I thought.
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The main thing I thought didn't work was John Cho's character. He's basically helping Moloch or helping Abbie at the whims of the plot. He's never made a lot of sense.
He does to me. He's generally been portrayed as not evil, and not good...just weak. He goes along with evil when he thinks he has to, and he goes along with good when he thinks he can get away with it.
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:11 AM   #3
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He does to me. He's generally been portrayed as not evil, and not good...just weak. He goes along with evil when he thinks he has to, and he goes along with good when he thinks he can get away with it.
I'm not sure how John Cho can find the time to do this and Selfie. I assume he'll be absent most of the season.
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:15 AM   #4
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I'm not sure how John Cho can find the time to do this and Selfie. I assume he'll be absent most of the season.
Considering that he's still stuck in Purgatory and Abby is out, I suspect you're right. We may never see him again...
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Old 09-23-2014, 08:50 AM   #5
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He does to me. He's generally been portrayed as not evil, and not good...just weak. He goes along with evil when he thinks he has to, and he goes along with good when he thinks he can get away with it.
Yeah, that's a reasonable explanation. I did start to get that sense last night. Too bad for him he's not very good at either one!
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Old 09-24-2014, 04:05 AM   #6
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Why would Ichabod have a laser sighted crossbow? Also, if he knew how to shift the truck into drive, he should have been able to figure out what "R" does. Even though it makes little sense, I think it's cool that the headless horseman uses modern weapons.

Naked Ben Franklin. Don't need that image in my brain. Apparently, Ichabod knew all of our founding fathers.
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Old 09-24-2014, 05:06 AM   #7
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Why would Ichabod have a laser sighted crossbow?
He didn't. It was a fantasy (in which they had accumulated all sorts of mundane and mystical weapons during their fake "year," one of which was the magic arrows they used the crossbow to fire).
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He didn't. It was a fantasy (in which they had accumulated all sorts of mundane and mystical weapons during their fake "year," one of which was the magic arrows they used the crossbow to fire).
My "doesn't pay proper attention" husband paused twice to tell me he was confused at what was going on
But that imaginary weapons cache was cool- of course Ichabod would want a crossbow.
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one of which was the magic arrows they used the crossbow to fire).
"Kali's arrows"

I thought that was a reference to the goddess Kali, but I cannot find any references to her arrows. Durga has a bow and arrow, and sometimes may incarnate as Kali, but again I see no reference to special arrows.

Of course it was all just a kind of dream, as you pointed out.
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He didn't. It was a fantasy (in which they had accumulated all sorts of mundane and mystical weapons during their fake "year," one of which was the magic arrows they used the crossbow to fire).
ok. I was confused for the first half of the episode because I didn't remember anything from last season, as usual.
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Old 09-24-2014, 01:51 PM   #12
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I have to admit that I was confused for the first several minutes or so.
I was wondering if I had missed an episode or not.

Still, I think that this was a good kick off and they solved the problem of how the headless Horseman is going to speak.
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Old 09-24-2014, 03:29 PM   #13
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I thought the gunpowder escape was really, really dumb
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Old 09-24-2014, 04:48 PM   #14
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I have to admit that I was confused for the first several minutes or so.
I was wondering if I had missed an episode or not.
The characters pretty much straightaway said it was a year later. I guess a lot of people missed that line.
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The characters pretty much straightaway said it was a year later. I guess a lot of people missed that line.
That line gave it away. I figured it was a dream sequence or something. I just kept waiting for it to jump back to reality. It didn't until the 15 minute mark on my recording!!! 15 minutes!!! Ugh, that, was annoying. I would have preferred they kept it to five minutes or so.

However, it isn't unprecedented for a show to jump forward a year or so. It happened on the FX series Fargo. I kept waiting for it to jump back, but it never did, lol. The show literally skipped forward about a year(?).

Back to this episode, I agree the gunpowder escape was ridiculous. A charge placed where he put the gunpowder would be directed completely back into the coffin, turning our hero into jelly.
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:59 PM   #16
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The characters pretty much straightaway said it was a year later. I guess a lot of people missed that line.
I didn't miss it.
As justen mentions, it's not unheard of for a series to do a time jump in between seasons.
(Battlestar Galactica readily comes to mind. Even The Office did 3 month time jumps in between every season.)

I was going "Are they going to explain how Crane got out of the coffin and Abigail got out of Purgatory or did I miss an episode ?"

So, they got me.
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Back to this episode, I agree the gunpowder escape was ridiculous. A charge placed where he put the gunpowder would be directed completely back into the coffin, turning our hero into jelly.
Well, that's not what's ridiculous about it. The gunpowder was just a tiny bit to ignite the sulfur in the soil. So the gunpowder itself wouldn't have done any damage to Ichy.
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Okay, what is the regular night for this show? Yeah, I know, normally it wouldn't matter, but I'm still without my trusty DVR for at least two more weeks.

ETA: Ha. Timothy Busfield as Franklin.
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ETA: Ha. Timothy Busfield as Franklin.
The episode was directed by Ken Olin. Busfield and Olin both starred in Thirtysomething.
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The episode was directed by Ken Olin. Busfield and Olin both starred in Thirtysomething.
Ken Olin is also an Executive producer of SH and a close friend of Busfield's so I'd guess he was responsible for getting him to do the bit (I think Busfield was filming another show in the same area or something).
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That line gave it away. I figured it was a dream sequence or something. I just kept waiting for it to jump back to reality. It didn't until the 15 minute mark on my recording!!! 15 minutes!!! Ugh, that, was annoying. I would have preferred they kept it to five minutes or so.

However, it isn't unprecedented for a show to jump forward a year or so. It happened on the FX series Fargo. I kept waiting for it to jump back, but it never did, lol. The show literally skipped forward about a year(?).

Back to this episode, I agree the gunpowder escape was ridiculous. A charge placed where he put the gunpowder would be directed completely back into the coffin, turning our hero into jelly.
The thing is that is no more ridiculous than a headless horseman walking around. I don't see the problem with the gunpowder since it's TV and TV does not and has never followed the rules of the real world.
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The episode was directed by Ken Olin. Busfield and Olin both starred in Thirtysomething.
I knew that about Thirtysomething. I didn't notice that Olin directed though.
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Yeah, the sulphur igniting was ridiculous. Didn't Mythbusters try out Captain Kirk's makeshift cannon used on the Gorn? It didn't work at all.
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