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Old 04-25-2015, 10:11 AM   #1
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20/20 The Bruce Jenner interview

I'm surprised there's not a thread yet. I applaud him, I could only imagine how difficult it would be for the average Joe to come out, add fame and I'm sure that significantly multiplies it. I wish Bruce all the happiness in the world.

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It's difficult enough for private citizen transgender people to deal with everything, but for somebody who has been in the public eye for decades it has to be monumentally more complex and difficult. Unfortunately for him at this point, there was no way to do this privately so I say - good for him, taking the reins and dealing with a public 'coming out'.

I've heard some (willfully ignorant) people say 'why doesn't he just do it in private?'. To them I would have to say - Uh, did you just arrive on this planet?

I haven't finished watching yet but I've enjoyed what I've watched so far and he really looks great right now!

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The interview definitely made me look at him in a different light. I always found him to be kind of annoying on the show, but I truly feel for him knowing the internal struggle he has gone through his whole life. It's hard enough for anyone to transition. I can't imagine doing it while under the scrutiny of all those paparazzi. Hopefully, he will find happiness.

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There was no thread because no one cares....

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i wish him the best as his journey continues and he further explores his true identity, i'm sure the sharing of his story positively impacted many lives.

the revelation of political leanings also explained a lot, no wonder he's 65 and only now fully accepting himself for who he really is. i'm less surprised by his journey knowing he’s observed fellow conservatives publicly lash out in judgment towards lgbt people, while using religious beliefs as cover - this couldn't have helped.

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There was no thread because no one cares....
Except for the 16.9 million that tuned in.

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Except for the 16.9 million that tuned in.
They're all the ones that read the supermarket tabloids. Nobody else cares. As far as I'm concerned, it's Jenner's life and he can do what he wants. It's not newsworthy, just tabloid gossip.

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dr. phil didn't seem to understand why the interview was important to so many, he shared his thoughts when jimmy kimmel asked if he wished he'd gotten it over diane sawyer:
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"It would be boring to talk to me about that,"..."First off, I would say, 'Look. If it's what you want to do, do it!"..."'What the hell's it matter what anybody else thinks?' That would be my first point."..."That would be the first 30 seconds [of the interview]."

While Dr. Phil referred to Jenner as a "hell of a nice guy," he said he wasn't sure what else he and the Keeping Up with the Kardashians patriarch would talk about for the remainder of the two-hour interview.

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It's difficult enough for private citizen transgender people to deal with everything, but for somebody who has been in the public eye for decades it has to be monumentally more complex and difficult. Unfortunately for him at this point, there was no way to do this privately so I say - good for him, taking the reins and dealing with a public 'coming out'.

I've heard some (willfully ignorant) people say 'why doesn't he just do it in private?'. To them I would have to say - Uh, did you just arrive on this planet?

I haven't finished watching yet but I've enjoyed what I've watched so far and he really looks great right now!
Thanks, Sharkster. You have stated my feelings much better than I would. I have a newfound respect for the guy. I'm happy I haven't had the identity problem he has, but I think he has handled it amazingly well. And I learned a lot from the show.
I wish him luck and love and all that's good.

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It's difficult enough for private citizen transgender people to deal with everything, but for somebody who has been in the public eye for decades it has to be monumentally more complex and difficult. Unfortunately for him at this point, there was no way to do this privately so I say - good for him, taking the reins and dealing with a public 'coming out'.
Haven't finished the entire show, but this is how I feel.
I have nothing but compassion for people in this situation, and that to the tenth power for celebs that have to do it under a microscope.

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dr. phil didn't seem to understand why the interview was important to so many, he shared his thoughts when jimmy kimmel asked if he wished he'd gotten it over diane sawyer:
"It would be boring to talk to me about that,"..."First off, I would say, 'Look. If it's what you want to do, do it!"..."'What the hell's it matter what anybody else thinks?' That would be my first point."..."That would be the first 30 seconds [of the interview]."

While Dr. Phil referred to Jenner as a "hell of a nice guy," he said he wasn't sure what else he and the Keeping Up with the Kardashians patriarch would talk about for the remainder of the two-hour interview.
Yeah, hasn't Phil transitioned to a more and more despicable POS this year. His new mantra is "how hateful can I be" and "how much can I milk this for and get extra money for my poor family." He excels in Honey Boo-Boo family and Mama Lohan, so Bruce Jenner is above Phil's pay-grade.

And his comment shows how jealous he really is because he didn't get it, knowing that truly reputable people don't want Phil's exploitation.

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I'm sure that I would have cared about Bruce Jenner and her struggles if she were still known for being the Olympic champ instead of having hitched her fame wagon to some celebutard porn star donkey to play a supporting role in a train wreck freakshow for people who find the Jersey Shore too highbrow.

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Haven't finished the entire show, but this is how I feel.
I have nothing but compassion for people in this situation, and that to the tenth power for celebs that have to do it under a microscope.
What Cearbhaill said. 100%. Everyone deserves the right to be who their true selves, whatever that may be.

I feel compelled to mention that the part that was uncomfortable to watch was how very NON-open-minded he (as he requested to be called in the interview) is about anyone who doesn't fit his idea of fitness or body shape.

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I'm sure that I would have cared about Bruce Jenner and her struggles if she were still known for being the Olympic champ instead of having hitched her fame wagon to some celebutard porn star donkey to play a supporting role in a train wreck freakshow for people who find the Jersey Shore too highbrow.
I agree with how you feel about the Kardashians but he didn't hitch his wagon to them. He married the mom when the were young kids. As much as they are fame whores, he has shown himself to be be a loving person to all their kids. He always seemed like a decent person. I don't think I can say the same for his ex.

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Except for the 16.9 million that tuned in.
Clear evidence of the stupidity of the masses. To quote an esteemed television reviewer --

"Jenner and his story have become part of the soul-sucking, attention grabbing Kardashian Death Star. That enterprise is perfectly suited to the form of click-bait "journalism" of the Web and social media. But devoting two hours of TV "news" to the subject is beyond pathetic. Sawyer is an accomplished television journalist with a very long resume. She simply looks sad chasing this manufactured and trite story that's much better suited to a media (sic) that services shorter attention spans. Rather than host this interview, she should have retired, or at least faced up to a sad reality: When two hours with Bruce Jenner is considered "news," it's time to get of the news business -- or help change it."

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They're all the ones that read the supermarket tabloids. Nobody else cares. As far as I'm concerned, it's Jenner's life and he can do what he wants. It's not newsworthy, just tabloid gossip.
This -- a million times this....

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as mentioned in the interview, bruce was desperately needing the money, so i can see why he was tempted and agreed to participate the in the kardashian reality mess, but it's my impression his role on the show was minimal. admittedly, i know very little about them, i've never purposely sought to watch any kardashian or jenner on tv, and generally ffwd through anything to do with them (no interest in reality tv fame seekers).

now that he has his own reality show in the works (documenting his transition), responsibility will fall fully on him - i'll still wait before passing judgment, though.

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Just watched the interview today. It takes a lot of guts to do that on TV. And more power to him.

My daughter's boyfriend has a sister/brother that is transitioning - he has now changed his name and is living as a boy. He's still in high school. I only hope that with more awareness, especially with Jenner's interview, the world can be a little more accepting.

And I think that is what Jenner hoped to do - make it easier on all the people in the future that are going through this.

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I have never seen the Kardashian reality show but I watched about 30 minutes of this interview, enough to form my opinion that Bruce is a really nice person. My lack of understanding about how a man can be married three times, have 6 children, claim he has always felt he was a woman, then convert to a woman in his mid '60s remains. If it makes sense to his children, that is good enough for me.

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All this because he came out as a Republican?

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I thought it was a wonderful interview. Learned a lot about him. He struggled with this for a long long time. Before the Olympics. After. He had already told wives about it. He was on hormones in the 1980s. I'm glad he's finally able out and open with who he is and make the needed transition.


So long, Bruce. It was good to "know" you. Looking forward to "meeting" her soon.

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I'm sure that I would have cared about Bruce Jenner and her struggles if she were still known for being the Olympic champ instead of having hitched her fame wagon to some celebutard porn star donkey to play a supporting role in a train wreck freakshow for people who find the Jersey Shore too highbrow.
Like the other poster said, this doesn't even make sense. If Kim is the "celebutard porn star donkey", he married her mom in 1991, long before reality tv was really a thing and she (Kim) was 10 years old. Certainly not a "porn star" yet.

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It's a generation gap thing.


Older people know him as the Olympic athlete that won a gold medal in the Decathlon


Young people know him as a guy on Keeping up with the Kardashians.


Me? I'm old.

So, even with the Kardashian Konnection, Bruce is still the athlete guy to me.

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It's a generation gap thing.


Older people know him as the Olympic athlete that won a gold medal in the Decathlon


Young people know him as a guy on Keeping up with the Kardashians.


Me? I'm old.

So, even with the Kardashian Konnection, Bruce is still the athlete guy to me.
And I know him mostly from this joke in the background of Mad Magazines parody of the "Hulk" TV show. Though I confess, the joke has a different tone now.


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They're all the ones that read the supermarket tabloids. Nobody else cares. As far as I'm concerned, it's Jenner's life and he can do what he wants. It's not newsworthy, just tabloid gossip.

Not necessarily. I watched it and I don't read tabloids. I know people who watch it because they have a trans person in their life or who are curious about the increasing visibility of the transgender rights movement. Overall it was a good interview and I think Diane Sawyer mostly did a good job.

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I thought it was interesting that Bruce said Kim became much more accepting of the idea after talking to Kanye about it. Kanye has always seemed to me like nothing more than a narcissistic a**hole. So I was surprised to hear that something "good" came from him.

I found it telling that all his older children were happy to participate in the interview and show their support, but the ones who have their own show apparently found it more important to preserve their images for their own show they can profit from rather than appearing on a "news" program where they probably wouldn't be compensated.

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as mentioned in the interview, bruce was desperately needing the money, so i can see why he was tempted and agreed to participate the in the kardashian reality mess, but it's my impression his role on the show was minimal. admittedly, i know very little about them, i've never purposely sought to watch any kardashian or jenner on tv, and generally ffwd through anything to do with them (no interest in reality tv fame seekers).
I think you've got this wrong. He said his income was falling in the late 80s. He married Kris Kardashian in 1991. She helped him revitalize his name and market himself throughout the 90s. "Keeping Up With the Kardashians" didn't start until 2007.

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i very well could be wrong, i was going by how i remembered it being framed in the interview, if i get a chance i'll go back and look again.

but still, looking at it from your perspective, did any rebranding, decades after the olympics, compare to the money earned with the reality show?

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i very well could be wrong, i was going by how i remembered it being framed in the interview, if i get a chance i'll go back and look again.

but still, looking at it from your perspective, did any rebranding, decades after the olympics, compare to the money earned with the reality show?
Of course not, but I don't get why that matters. It's not like he joined the family to capitalize on their fame/money. He was part of the family for 16 years before the TV show started. The fact that the TV show has made them all mega-wealthy is totally irrelevant (unless you're trying to say that he should have prevented Kris and the girls from making the TV show).

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Of course not, but I don't get why that matters.
i never even hinted that it was the reason for the marriage or he was using his family for fame, where did that come from? i was attributing the lure of the money to his agreeing to participate in the show, nothing more. you're reading way more into my comment than was intended (or said).

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