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Old 05-25-2014, 10:12 PM   #1
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Mad Men "Waterloo" 5/25/14

RIP Burt Cooper


Peggy really killed it at Burger Chef. Glad they won the account.

Don will be back for real. Will it last?

Sally is turning out to be a hottie.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:13 PM   #2
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That was a fantastic send off for Robert Morse.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:16 PM   #3
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Great episode and end to the season.

Strange ending with the dance number
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:21 PM   #4
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That was... Unusual.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:25 PM   #5
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Something seems off with the partnership percentages.

If Joan has 5%, Pete 10% and Ted ~20% (based on Pete saying he would make $6M), that leaves only 65% for Sterling, Cooper, Draper and Cutler. That is an average of around 16.25% for each of them.

So, what something like this?:
Cooper 20%
Sterling 17%
Cutler 17%
Ted 17%
Draper 14%
Campbell 10%
Joan 5%

I guess that works.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:27 PM   #6
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W. T. F.

I agree, though, a great sendoff for Morse, he certainly had the pedigree for the scene.

Now, the yearlong wait.

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Old 05-25-2014, 10:37 PM   #7
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Strange ending with the dance number
It took me about 3 seasons to see Morse on the show and not think of How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. Seeing him finally do a song was a nod to a former life.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:42 PM   #8
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Wow...
I mean 100% WOW...

Talk about an amazing mid-season break that wasn't planned to be the break for a year, yet it works amazingly well as a stopping point as much as it's frustrating as hell to wait to see this finish up.

With the deals, the running around, tons of things happening all at the same time, this is the old Mad Men spirit at its best.
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Old 05-25-2014, 11:15 PM   #9
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The pitch to Burger Chef reminded me of the Wheel episode, very nostalgic.
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Old 05-26-2014, 12:22 AM   #10
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I thought it interesting how Jim Cutler turned on Lou.

Guessing we've seen the last of Lou and Jim.
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Old 05-26-2014, 12:47 AM   #11
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That was a fantastic send off for Robert Morse.
Amazing little scene... Bert dancing and singing in his socks... So unexpected and wonderful.

I had a horrible thought that at the end of the number we'd see Don lying on the floor from a heart attack or something. Fortunately that didn't happen.

Fantastic episode all around.

"So I'd move back to the City?"

"Ted's in!"
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Old 05-26-2014, 06:15 AM   #12
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Sally had down Betty Draper in that final scene of hers puffing on the cigarette.
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:45 AM   #13
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Sally is turning out to be a hottie.

Still think there should be a spinoff of Sally Draper in the 70's. They would need to recast the role but it seems like it could be fun.
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:50 AM   #14
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Great episode and end to the season.

Strange ending with the dance number
It was an inside joke. Morse has had a long career performing in Broadway musicals.

I was hoping that the song was from "How to Succeed in Business without Really Trying" but it was not. Morse starred in both the Broadway production and the movie as a character who has been compared to Don Draper.
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:52 AM   #15
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Great end-of-season episode. There was a lot going on in this ep.

I felt the Robert Morse send-off was out of character for the series, but Morse carried off so well that it was actually kind of wonderful.

Megan and Don's marriage ending.

Other comments are really right: Sally is becoming her mother....tone, manner, etc.

Loved the Jim Cutler ".....it's a lot of money..." vote!

Only one more season to go....will hate seeing this series end.
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Old 05-26-2014, 08:54 AM   #16
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Only thing missing for Bert's little send off was an aspect ratio change to CinemaScope.
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Old 05-26-2014, 09:06 AM   #17
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Uhm.. Moon Landing???

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Apollo 11 moon landing.

There have been two events in my life where literally EVERYONE IN THE WORLD who has access to a television set stops whatever they are doing and watches the same thing. One was 9/11, the other was Apollo 11. Two events that pulled the world together, one of tragedy, and one of triumph.

The montage of the characters watching the moon coverage what was 100 percent of Americans and most of the rest of the world was doing at that moment. Life Magazine published pictures of TVs being rolled out in Las Vegas casinos and in Disneyland.

The shot of Roger's house shows dinner on the coffee table. When I was growing up, my parents' rule was the TV was always off for dinner and we ate at the table. That night we had dinner in our laps in front of the TV just like Roger's family.

Robert Morse remembers this of course, I'd bet being in his 80s he wanted to leave the show, but wanted his character to see the Moon landing before he died. That was the perfect moment for the passing of Bert Cooper.
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I was about 7 when the moon landing happened, and didn't see the big deal when my dad dragged me to the TV to watch it.

Even now, especially knowing it was all faked on a soundstage somewhere, I don't understand the mania.


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I thought it was a spectacular episode.

I remember the moon landing (I was 8), and how everyone watched. They depicted it perfectly.

Peggy finally getting to show everyone - especially her mentor - that she has the stuff.

Sally - like her mother, but smarter. She went for the smart geek instead of the hot jock.

Don and Meghan officially over - he knew it was coming, and so did we.

And the ending - Burt's final song and dance - I thought it was wonderful.

Extremely well done - I can't wait believe we have to wait another year for more!!!
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I felt this huge sense of relief when Don and Meghan ended things. That whole relationship never felt right to me.
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Old 05-26-2014, 10:45 AM   #21
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It took me about 3 seasons to see Morse on the show and not think of How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying. Seeing him finally do a song was a nod to a former life.
I only remembered Morse from "The Boatniks".

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The pitch to Burger Chef reminded me of the Wheel episode, very nostalgic.
Do you mean the Kodak Carousel? Great pitches .. Burger Chef and the Carousel.

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Sally had down Betty Draper in that final scene of hers puffing on the cigarette.
I thought she was a little Betty as well. And she is shaping up to be a hot tamale.

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... Peggy finally getting to show everyone - especially her mentor - that she has the stuff.
I think you meant to say that Peggy has "the right stuff".

I was 10 during the moon landing and we made scrapbooks with news clippings about the moon landing for school. I wish those scrapbooks were still around. I have a younger brother who was 5 at the time, and he totally believes the conspiracy theories about the moon landing. <shakes head>
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where literally EVERYONE IN THE WORLD who has access to a television set stops whatever they are doing and watches the same thing. One was 9/11, the other was Apollo 11. Two events that pulled the world together, one of tragedy, and one of triumph.
I go back a little bit more with the funeral of JFK.
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Sally - like her mother, but smarter. She went for the smart geek instead of the hot jock.
I think she went with who was there rather than picking one over the other.
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I go back a little bit more with the funeral of JFK.
I sometimes say there have been THREE events in my lifetime that caused everyone to stop what they were doing and watch TV, but I was too young at the time to remember JFK.
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I think she went with who was there rather than picking one over the other.
Sally was apparently channeling Stephen Stills while he was writing "if you can't be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with."
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Apollo 11 moon landing.
Very good point. I was too young to remember it when it happened, but I've seen the footage many times, and I know how important it was to the nation.

They did a wonderful, incredible treatment of it in this episode.

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Old 05-26-2014, 01:27 PM   #27
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Can Don punch Jim Cutler now?

I thought Megan was cold to Don. That was a pretty crappy way to end a marriage. You can come visit to see a movie but don't think about staying. Even though Don said he'll always take care of her, I hope the divorce goes through before Don gets his share from SC&P's sale. Whatever happens, I hope Megan goes away next season like Betty should have disappeared a couple of seasons ago.

One thing I remember from the moon landing was that gas stations gave out cardboard cutouts of the lunar lander.
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Can Don punch Jim Cutler now?

I thought Megan was cold to Don. That was a pretty crappy way to end a marriage. You can come visit to see a movie but don't think about staying. Even though Don said he'll always take care of her, I hope the divorce goes through before Don gets his share from SC&P's sale. Whatever happens, I hope Megan goes away next season like Betty should have disappeared a couple of seasons ago.

One thing I remember from the moon landing was that gas stations gave out cardboard cutouts of the lunar lander.
Actually I take the opposite. Don offered to come to LA but Megan knew he would never be happy there so she cut him off and prevented a situation where the marriage would fall apart in anger. She ended it in a way that both of them could be happy and respect each other and Don knew it.
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I think she went with who was there rather than picking one over the other.
Yep. She got all dolled up for the jock, but the geek was convenient.
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I was about 7 when the moon landing happened, and didn't see the big deal when my dad dragged me to the TV to watch it.
I was 8 and I thought it was a big deal. There was an earlier launch, I think it was Apollo 8 that I got frustrated I couldn't see because they kept delaying the launch and I had to go to swimming class. We were all in the lounge of the Y watching the launch on TV, but it didn't take off before the previous class ended.
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