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Old 05-10-2013, 09:12 PM   #1
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NBC officially cancels Smash

Oh, well, it was inconsistent while it lasted.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:17 PM   #2
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Katherine McPhee needs a new project! Gotta keep her on TV
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:21 AM   #4
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McPhee can't seem to find anything that sticks.
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:07 AM   #5
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Something less sucky. Smash was a soap opera with singing. Didn't like how she was written.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:35 PM   #6
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Season two retool = kiss of death.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:12 PM   #7
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This may sound harsh, but belief cannot be suspended high enough to accept Anjelica Houston as an attractive woman. Just can't happen. If they do a TV version of La Cage, then she has a shot at a role. Her acting was terrible too, amongst a cast of many terrible actors. We enjoyed the show somewhat, but the disjointed story, predictable arcs and Anjelica Houston as a femme fatale put this writing on the wall.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:20 PM   #8
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This may sound harsh, but belief cannot be suspended high enough to accept Anjelica Houston as an attractive woman. Just can't happen. If they do a TV version of La Cage, then she has a shot at a role. Her acting was terrible too, amongst a cast of many terrible actors. We enjoyed the show somewhat, but the disjointed story, predictable arcs and Anjelica Houston as a femme fatale put this writing on the wall.
A, the phrase is "suspension of disbelief." B, the word "suspend" in that phrase refers to "temporarily preventing from continuing to happen," and has nothing to do with a matter of altitude. In any case, not only was Anjelica not a femme fatale in this show by any stretch of the imagination, her appearance was not remotely an issue with this show. She played her role of a producer well enough IMO.

No, the issues with this show started right off the bat in season 1, and the show dug a hole so deep that no matter what they had done during season 2, there's not a chance it could ever have climbed out. I mean, other than the first and last episodes of season 1, there wasn't really much redeeming in that entire season. The choice to adopt a very silly, exaggerated, completely implausible version of the world of Broadway, complete with a pair of comic book villains in Ellis and Jerry, didn't help things any.

It wasn't until midway through this season, when new showrunner Josh Saffran's decision to blatantly plagarize the back story behind the creation of RENT got the show to calm down somewhat and show some of the promise the show could have had but never fulfilled.

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A, the phrase is "suspension of disbelief." B, the word "suspend" in that phrase refers to "temporarily preventing from continuing to happen," and has nothing to do with a matter of altitude.
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It wasn't until midway through this season, when new showrunner Josh Saffran's decision to blatantly plagarize the back story behind the creation of RENT got the show to calm down somewhat and show some of the promise the show could have had but never fulfilled.
How do you "plagarize" (sic) a real-life story?
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Season two retool = kiss of death.
This show was a dead man walking before the second season even started.
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How do you "plagarize" (sic) a real-life story?
Yeah, I mis-typed and missed the I. In any case "plagiarize" was the closest word I could come up with, but I think it's appropriate, in that Safran went beyond being "inspired" by the story of RENT. Both shows were rock/pop inspired, mainly sung-through musicals developed by a pair of relatively unknown playwrights at the New York Theatre Workshop, with one of the creators die on the eve of the show moving to Broadway, and whose casts perform a concert performance of the music in honor of that creator. It was a little too close to the source material for my taste.
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Yeah, I mis-typed and missed the I. In any case "plagiarize" was the closest word I could come up with, but I think it's appropriate, in that Safran went beyond being "inspired" by the story of RENT. Both shows were rock/pop inspired, mainly sung-through musicals developed by a pair of relatively unknown playwrights at the New York Theatre Workshop, with one of the creators die on the eve of the show moving to Broadway, and whose casts perform a concert performance of the music in honor of that creator. It was a little too close to the source material for my taste.
I'll throw a word out there. Coopt.
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A, the phrase is "suspension of disbelief." B, the word "suspend" in that phrase refers to "temporarily preventing from continuing to happen," and has nothing to do with a matter of altitude. In any case, not only was Anjelica not a femme fatale in this show by any stretch of the imagination, her appearance was not remotely an issue with this show.
Yeah, I'm well aware it is not a matter of altitude, I thought I was being clever.

I knew some would have an issue with my use of femme fatale, but before I posted I reviewed a definition of the words and thought it could be used here. "a mysterious and seductive woman whose charms ensnare her lovers in bonds of irresistible desire, often leading them into compromising, dangerous, and deadly situations"

The very wealthy Jerry seems to continue to love her, no telling why, even when he's out with much younger and far more attractive women. The very much younger and more handsome bartender loved her and it put him in jail. The critic wanted to get busy with her at the detriment of his own reputation. I figured it was close enough and my thoughts weren't going to be dissected. All of these men were lead into compromising positions due to their love for Anjelica's character.

I say tie goes to the runner.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:05 AM   #14
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I only forced my family to watch the first couple of episodes this season, but I agree with the above - Season 2 was a goner before it ever aired.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:37 AM   #15
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Yeah, it was a mess. I'll still miss it, though.
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Yeah, it was a mess. I'll still miss it, though.
This. 100%

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Old 05-12-2013, 10:33 AM   #17
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McPhee can't seem to find anything that sticks.
Except for her tops, unfortunately.
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Old 05-12-2013, 10:36 AM   #18
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The very wealthy Jerry seems to continue to love her, no telling why, even when he's out with much younger and far more attractive women. The very much younger and more handsome bartender loved her and it put him in jail. The critic wanted to get busy with her at the detriment of his own reputation. I figured it was close enough and my thoughts weren't going to be dissected. All of these men were lead into compromising positions due to their love for Anjelica's character.
I think you're confusing love and sex.

Someone doesn't need to be attractive to have people be in love with them.
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:35 PM   #19
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It's a shame that such a talented cast got such crap material to work with.
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Old 05-12-2013, 04:12 PM   #21
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Yeah, that was before she got old and manly. And even in her prime, not my cup of tea.
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I really wanted to like this show. I was very enamored with Katherine McPhee when she was on American Idol and I heard great things from the critics about the pilot. But it quickly became apparent that McPhee was out of her depth, both from an acting and singing standpoint. It would have been fine if she were cast as a new young member of the ensemble and she worked her way up in the theater world. But when the pilot clearly set up the competition between Ivy and Karen to be the star of the show, and they wanted the viewer to be rooting for Karen, but it was obvious Ivy was much more talented, I knew there were going to be problems. And my wife and I only made it through 4-5 episodes before we gave up on it.
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Yeah, that was before she got old and manly. And even in her prime, not my cup of tea.
I had no idea that prior to her acting career Huston had a major modeling career. I saw a documentary on Halston or someone and was kindof surprised when I saw runway footage of Huston.

So yeah - one day we will all get old and manly.
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So yeah - one day we will all get old and manly.
I'm already old... but will I ever get manly?
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #25
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It was a hot mess, but I will miss it. As I said in one of the other episode threads for it, I thought they really nailed the "show within a show" aspect of it, as I would love to see full-length versions of both Bombshell and Hit List. But everything else about the show was just all over the place.
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Yeah, that was before she got old and manly. And even in her prime, not my cup of tea.
Meh, I agree. Those pics do nothing to disprove what was said. To each their own I guess.
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I liked the first season for awhile, until it became a serious Glee. I remember when the original producers swore up and down that the characters would NOT break out into song, and a few episodes in, they did just that. Then the story became too soapy, and the eye candy was just not enough to keep me interested. I watched the first 3 or so episodes of this season and just gave up. Wife watched it the whole way through, but she said she won't miss it.
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I really wanted to like this show. I was very enamored with Katherine McPhee when she was on American Idol and I heard great things from the critics about the pilot. But it quickly became apparent that McPhee was out of her depth, both from an acting and singing standpoint. It would have been fine if she were cast as a new young member of the ensemble and she worked her way up in the theater world. But when the pilot clearly set up the competition between Ivy and Karen to be the star of the show, and they wanted the viewer to be rooting for Karen, but it was obvious Ivy was much more talented, I knew there were going to be problems. And my wife and I only made it through 4-5 episodes before we gave up on it.
I completely disagree. I think she was fine but the plot was stupid.

Megan Hilty was supposed to be a 10 year veteran of Broadway competing against someone who should play the ingenue. They tried but the plot was ridiculous and the lecherous director angle insulted everyone. IRL, Megan would have been the lead immediately. The plot this year with Karen off broadway was more possible even with the Stolen Larson plot line.
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I completely disagree. I think she was fine but the plot was stupid.

Megan Hilty was supposed to be a 10 year veteran of Broadway competing against someone who should play the ingenue. They tried but the plot was ridiculous and the lecherous director angle insulted everyone. IRL, Megan would have been the lead immediately. The plot this year with Karen off broadway was more possible even with the Stolen Larson plot line.
That was my point. They tried to get the viewers to root for Karen and make Ivy look like the bad guy (and believe me, I wanted to root for Karen), but it was simply not believable that any Broadway casting director would have a difficult time choosing between those two.

Granted, there were many, many other problems. But the central premise of the ultra-talented newcomer who doesn't get the starring role solely because she wouldn't sleep with the director simply didn't hold water
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