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Old 05-15-2013, 07:04 PM   #61
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It's made it onto ZDNet now:
http://www.zdnet.com/amys-baking-com...ow-7000015434/.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:08 PM   #62
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The waitress's AMA has the top spot on Reddit right now.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:46 PM   #63
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:18 PM   #64
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Definitely true.
The science involved in cooking and baking is quite different, so it's not surprising that people specialize in one thing or the other.

But a restaurant called "so-and-so's BAKING company" that doesn't make their own baked goods? Oy!

That's like the seafood restaurants at the seaside that don't buy from the fishermen bringing in fresh fish every day, but stock their walk-ins with frozen stuff shipped in from somewhere else. And we all know how Ramsay feels about that, right?
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:06 AM   #65
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Amy made some argument that Walmart doesn't tell people that their branded products aren't made by them and she doesn't have to either. Customers are paying for her eye for good product apparently no matter the source. lol
i was gonna say that wm doesnt make anything (that i know of), but then again i somehow doubt she's the only person that thinks wm actually makes products
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:11 AM   #66
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I guess there's never been a more appropriate thread to say...


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Old 05-16-2013, 09:26 AM   #67
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i was gonna say that wm doesnt make anything (that i know of), but then again i somehow doubt she's the only person that thinks wm actually makes products
Actually, our Walmart does in fact bake and decorate cakes on site, and they are decent cakes for the price - but not the quality of a good stand alone bakery by any stretch of the imagination, so Walmart is better than Amy's for fresh cakes.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:50 AM   #68
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:00 PM   #69
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the saga continues...

ok, this bunny keeps on going and going and going...

amy's have prepared a press release on their grand re-opening:
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange...to-get-weirder
and have hired a questionable pr guy to help with the re-launch:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bel...jason_rose.php

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Old 05-16-2013, 04:12 PM   #70
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The owners will likely be holding a press conference before the Grand Re-Opening and answer falsehoods depicted on a reality television show, including assertions that the restaurant confiscates tips from servers.

In fact, wait staff is paid $8-$14 per hour, two and half to nearly five times the standard hourly wage for servers.
How can they argue they confiscated tips? He admitted it. It doesn't matter that they pay more than minimum server wages, the fact remains that people left money as a tip for the server and he took every cent of it.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:30 PM   #71
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How can they argue they confiscated tips? He admitted it. It doesn't matter that they pay more than minimum server wages, the fact remains that people left money as a tip for the server and he took every cent of it.
Guess they are saying the workers aren't getting shortchanged in wages. $8-$14 per hour = $Minimum AZ wage for tipped worker 4.80+tips . Given how poor their food/service is the workers probably weren't making huge tips anyway. Still don't think they are following the intent of the law but it may not be a federal offense.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:46 PM   #72
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Guess they are saying the workers aren't getting shortchanged in wages. $8-$14 per hour = $Minimum AZ wage for tipped worker 4.80+tips . Given how poor their food/service is the workers probably weren't making huge tips anyway. Still don't think they are following the intent of the law but it may not be a federal offense.
Are they reporting that income on their taxes?
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #73
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Are they reporting that income on their taxes?
That might be the million dollar question there. I'd bet they aren't. That'd suck to go through an audit for this.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:56 PM   #74
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Are they reporting that income on their taxes?
Depends if it was income to them. It could just have normalized wages among the employees, ie weekend shift workers take home the same as weekday. But the way they were doing it doesn't fit into tip pooling methods sometimes used for wait staff so it may run afoul of some labor laws. I'm sure with all this attention they'll get reviewed by some agencies.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:52 PM   #75
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Are they reporting that income on their taxes?
Let's see...judging by Amy lying on national TV and saying that she alone baked all of the desserts in the case, and judging by Amy being a felon, I'm going to have to guess that's a big a NO on that.
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Depends if it was income to them. It could just have normalized wages among the employees, ie weekend shift workers take home the same as weekday. But the way they were doing it doesn't fit into tip pooling methods sometimes used for wait staff so it may run afoul of some labor laws. I'm sure with all this attention they'll get reviewed by some agencies.
Yes, I've heard about a tip pool but as I understand it, here, the owners were pocketing the money, not redistributing it among the shift.

That makes it income either to the business or them personally.

(And I know that the IRS considers tips for Wait Staff, income.)
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:49 PM   #77
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:55 AM   #78
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:00 PM   #79
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Guess they are saying the workers aren't getting shortchanged in wages. $8-$14 per hour = $Minimum AZ wage for tipped worker 4.80+tips . Given how poor their food/service is the workers probably weren't making huge tips anyway. Still don't think they are following the intent of the law but it may not be a federal offense.
I understand their justification (they are paying a higher hourly wage in leu of tips, which of course no restraunt on the planet does that I've ever heard of), but they cannot deny they are taking tips from the servers. That's exactly what they showed and admitted to.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:45 PM   #81
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There's a funny thing about the food industry -- cooking and baking are like two completely different countries, although they sometimes co-exist in the same space. The Great Divide is often revealed on shows like Top Chef, The Taste, etc. when the chefs are asked to make a dessert and you find out they've never made one.

It probably would have been obvious to any pastry chef that the baked goods were made off-site, just as Ramsey can spot all the food that isn't cooked fresh. But I don't know how much experience Ramsey has himself, doing desserts or baking.
I'm sure if he'd really gotten to spend time in the kitchen he'd notice the lack of any prep baking etc..
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:21 PM   #82
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I understand their justification (they are paying a higher hourly wage in leu of tips, which of course no restraunt on the planet does that I've ever heard of), but they cannot deny they are taking tips from the servers. That's exactly what they showed and admitted to.
Well, there are certainly plenty of places not in the USA that do. The "tip 15-20% on a restaurant check" is NOT a global thing my any means.


But even within the USA, I know of some places where the meal price is service inclusive.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:46 PM   #83
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I understand their justification (they are paying a higher hourly wage in leu of tips, which of course no restraunt on the planet does that I've ever heard of), but they cannot deny they are taking tips from the servers. That's exactly what they showed and admitted to.
Very fishy, they are not servers, their title was food runner, or something like that, also there has to be a tie into Sammy entering all the orders into the POS, maybe "food runners" can't enter orders into the kitchen directly.

very slimy
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very slimy
agreed. legal or not, i bet if abc disclosed up front "the person waiting on you gets none of the tip, the tip goes to the owners", there would be a big drop in tips.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:16 PM   #85
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Very fishy, they are not servers, their title was food runner, or something like that, also there has to be a tie into Sammy entering all the orders into the POS, maybe "food runners" can't enter orders into the kitchen directly.

very slimy
I think there was 1 "food runner" and 1 "waitress/order taker"
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agreed. legal or not, i bet if abc disclosed up front "the person waiting on you gets none of the tip, the tip goes to the owners", there would be a big drop in tips.
Yeah, it seems like ethically it would only be right to have that fact posted for all to see. It's underhanded to allow customers to think they are tipping their servers (or whatever the abc bunch wants to CALL them) when that goes to the owners who were the ones who made the experience less than good.

Seems like the servers are working their butts off to take care of the customers (i.e. earning those tips) while the owners are a big clusterf*k (yet they GET the tips). So wrong.
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Wow I just got a change.org email for a petition asking the US Department of Labor to investigate them.
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She falls below the Vicky Mendoza Diagonal. I actually feel bad for Samy as I think he might be an ok guy without Amy. He was very passive and I think afraid of his own wife and when she got mad, he just agreed with her.
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She falls below the Vicky Mendoza Diagonal. I actually feel bad for Samy as I think he might be an ok guy without Amy. He was very passive and I think afraid of his own wife and when she got mad, he just agreed with her.
But he's a gangster!
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The tip thing is because tips are usually CASH, and payroll is on the books. Doh!

Samy wants the CASH.
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