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Old 04-08-2013, 10:12 PM   #1
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Revolution - S01E13 - "The Song Remains The Same"

Learned some interesting things in tonight's show:

Diamonds are apparently used as currency, since Tom was carrying diamonds on his truck going to the concrete plant to get the nuke.

Randall must have a lot of pendants at the rate Rachel is destroying them.

Finally some glimer of why/how the power is off. It's apparently absorbed by the huge number of special viruses spread all over the planet out of control because of something going wrong in "the tower". (Sounds kinda like how the force works in Star Wars, eh?)

So Rachel and Aaron are off to "the tower" to make things right and turn the power back on for everyone?

Tom and his wife are on the lam from Monroe and Randall.

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Old 04-09-2013, 03:33 AM   #2
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Well, we got the techno-babble explanation for how the power went bye-bye. Microscopic power sucking dust bunnies floating around. Rigggght. Oh well. As good as explanation as any I guess.

Since they are in people's bodies, they probably could be programmed to do horrible things.

And yeah, Miles had a somthin'-somthin' going on with Rachel. Good call, whoever predicted that.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:44 AM   #3
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Learned some interesting things in tonight's show:

Diamonds are apparently used as currency, since Tom was carrying diamonds on his truck going to the concrete plant to get the nuke.
I thought we learned this last week, when somebody was paid off for information with diamonds (before being summarily executed and the diamonds retrieved).
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So Rachel and Aaron are off to "the tower" to make things right and turn the power back on for everyone?
Even if they "re-enable" power, how many functional power plants are there going to be?
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Why do you guys continue to throw logic at this show? lol I think back to BSG and how they kept saying "they had a plan" and they didn't. And how there was no consistency from week to week. One week if you hit the green button the door opens and the next week it causes an explosion (made up to make my point) And it bugged the heck out of me.

So here we are with Revolution and Following (or whatever) and there is absolutely no logic to the writing. These writers suck so bad, how can they even call themselves writers? But the writers here are still way better than the writers in the Following.

AND I WATCH BOTH SHOWS. So my brain has atrophied and now I accept poorly written shows as entertainment. "They have assimilated me." Where is my red shirt?
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Even if they "re-enable" power, how many functional power plants are there going to be?
I agree with you. Somehow, however, I'll bet everything starts to "magically" work again.

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And yeah, Miles had a somthin'-somthin' going on with Rachel. Good call, whoever predicted that.
Several people, including myself, predicted that.

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Makes it much more likely, considering how Rachel is acting, that Miles is Charlie's dad.

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Well, we got the techno-babble explanation for how the power went bye-bye. Microscopic power sucking dust bunnies floating around. Rigggght. Oh well. As good as explanation as any I guess.
While I agree that it's a very convenient explanation, I was assuming that they were nano technology based micro machines and not biological.

Nanotech at least has some basis in reality.
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Why do you guys continue to throw logic at this show? lol I think back to BSG and how they kept saying "they had a plan" and they didn't. And how there was no consistency from week to week. One week if you hit the green button the door opens and the next week it causes an explosion (made up to make my point) And it bugged the heck out of me.

So here we are with Revolution and Following (or whatever) and there is absolutely no logic to the writing. These writers suck so bad, how can they even call themselves writers? But the writers here are still way better than the writers in the Following.

AND I WATCH BOTH SHOWS. So my brain has atrophied and now I accept poorly written shows as entertainment. "They have assimilated me." Where is my red shirt?
I'm with you, but the show has to have SOME logic to it, even if it's built on fake science. It's not meant to be a cartoon.

As far as the power plants go (from other posts), it probably would be dangerous just to "turn on" everything at once, since the power plants are falling apart, but not completely, so there's no telling what will happen if they start up unattended.
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While I agree that it's a very convenient explanation, I was assuming that they were nano technology based micro machines and not biological.

Nanotech at least has some basis in reality.
And actually one of the better portrayals of nanotech I've seen...usually, it's miniature machinery, when in fact nanotech looks like...well, kinda like a virus.

Poor Superman. Escapes from prison while chained to a chair using only a nail on the other side of the room, and he's still marked for death by his crazy boss. Rachel was right, they should have killed him...but it was almost worth it for the look on his face when he realized he'd been tricked.

Is this the first time they haven't had flashbacks?
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Finally some glimer of why/how the power is off. It's apparently absorbed by the huge number of special viruses spread all over the planet out of control because of something going wrong in "the tower". (Sounds kinda like how the force works in Star Wars, eh?)
The second I heard that explanation I thought, 'So that's where midichlorians came from".

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Tom and his wife are on the lam from Monroe and Randall.
Did we actually see them leave Phillie? Or just get ready to?
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Did we actually see them leave Phillie? Or just get ready to?
I would assume it would be pretty stupid to hang around Phillie.

What are the chances that Tom will come over to the Rebel side? Of course, we don't know yet what Monroe really thinks about Tom's failure.

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What are the chances that Tom will come over to the Rebel side? Of course, we don't know yet what Monroe really thinks about Tom's failure.
Well, judging from the dark and threatening look Monroe was giving Tom while uttering vague threats about the consequences of failure, I'd say we have a pretty good idea...
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I just went back and re-watched this episode.

Rachel says the "devices" are virus sized, not that they are viruses, so apparently they are nano-technology. And Aaron calls them computers and Rachel does not correct him.

Programmed to do 2 things: Absorb electricity and replicate. Apparently the problem in "The Tower" allowed uncontrolled replication and they got up to a couple hundred quadrillion of them, enough to absorb all the electrical power on the entire planet.

This would explain how the pendants and amplifiers work, if they turn off the nano-bots within their range, which would allow electricity to work again within that radius.

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I'm OK with it, we've had to accept much larger stretches in sci-fi shows before.
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I just went back and re-watched this episode.

Rachel says the "devices" are virus sized, not that they are viruses, so apparently they are nano-technology. And Aaron calls them computers and Rachel does not correct him.

Programmed to do 2 things: Absorb electricity and replicate. Apparently the problem in "The Tower" allowed uncontrolled replication and they got up to a couple hundred quadrillion of them, enough to absorb all the electrical power on the entire planet.

This would explain how the pendants and amplifiers work, if they turn off the nano-bots within their range, which would allow electricity to work again within that radius.

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So, basically the same thing that happened to the Morris worm back in the early days of the Internet.

(for those not old enough, Robert Morris found a bug in Sendmail that let him gain elevated privilege. He wrote a worm that would attack sendmail, make 10 copies and send those 10 copies to other machines. But his routine that made 10 copies had a mistake in it, and it made infinite copies, effectively bringing the Internet down. As machines became overloaded with hundreds of copies of the worm trying to replicate SysAdmins would reboot them and become infected again in seconds, leading to them eventually disconnecting backbone servers from the backbone, and breaking most of the routing until they brought everything back online again. The Internet was much smaller then).
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So, basically the same thing that happened to the Morris worm back in the early days of the Internet.
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Thanks for posting that. I was not aware of it. The explanation you posted wasn't correct though. According to Wikipedia, it was something different.

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The defense against this was inspired by Michael Rabin's mantra, "Randomization." To compensate for this possibility, Morris directed the worm to copy itself even if the response is "yes", 1 out of 7 times.[3] This level of replication proved excessive and the worm spread rapidly, infecting some computers multiple times. Morris remarked, when he heard of the mistake, that he "should have tried it on a simulator first."

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Tom's escape had me shaking my head. The Padre was so badass he could swordfight 6 guys at once, but he gets taken by surprise and put up against a wall to get skewered. Yeah, right...
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Tom's escape had me shaking my head. The Padre was so badass he could swordfight 6 guys at once, but he gets taken by surprise and put up against a wall to get skewered. Yeah, right...
And as I hinted earlier, it's pretty awesome that he managed to hop that chair all the way across the room, fall over, and pick up the nail, all without making enough noise for the guard to hear.

How could Monroe ever consider disposing of such a god among men?!?

(I think you're confusing the Padre with Miles's old war buddy...)
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My biggest LOL came when I explained to my son how Neville escaped (using the nail to free himself).

His response?

"that's stupid!"

he is 7 years old.
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He'll understand when he's older.

That TV writers are...complicated.

Yeah, THAT'S the ticket!
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(I think you're confusing the Padre with Miles's old war buddy...)
Uh oh, have I fallen into a bad stereotype?
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Oh, I was also waiting for Tom's wife to get killed. After all doesn't Kim Raver have a new gig with another NCIS spinoff?
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Uh oh, have I fallen into a bad stereotype?
I tried so hard to come up with a joke that wouldn't go badly...
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I just went back and re-watched this episode.

Rachel says the "devices" are virus sized, not that they are viruses, so apparently they are nano-technology. And Aaron calls them computers and Rachel does not correct him.

Programmed to do 2 things: Absorb electricity and replicate. Apparently the problem in "The Tower" allowed uncontrolled replication and they got up to a couple hundred quadrillion of them, enough to absorb all the electrical power on the entire planet.

This would explain how the pendants and amplifiers work, if they turn off the nano-bots within their range, which would allow electricity to work again within that radius.

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If the Nano bots turn the power off how are they powered?
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If the Nano bots turn the power off how are they powered?
they suck the power from anything around them, so at the beginning at least, that is the source. Not sure how they get more power to stay alive or reproduce.

The thing about the explanation so far is that she did not mention any way they were meant to be contained (which is what I assume failed). because the virus' programming, as stated (suck power, reproduce), worked perfectly. Nothing went wrong!
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Their explanation for the power going out makes no sense on their original project of creating free green energy.
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If the Nano bots turn the power off how are they powered?
Nanotech isn't like little machines with wires that carry electricity through them. They are more like tiny organic thingies, that are powered in the same way cells are powered...and since the cells in human bodies aren't affected by the power-damper, we can assume that the power in the nanites isn't either.

This is one thing they've gotten surprisingly right. I'm not sure how the pendants are supposed to work, but since we can't build nanotechnology like that yet, I guess I can pretend that in the development process something will present itself.
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Their explanation for the power going out makes no sense on their original project of creating free green energy.
It's not really supposed to. This is one of those situations where scientists were trying to do one thing, and stumbled across something completely different.

How were they planning to use nanotech in a power distribution scheme? Dunno. But it's not completely insane that it would play some role.
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Yeah.... all these comments are valid, but none of them touch on the most important part of this episode. Why in the world does Miles hate Texas so much?
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