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Old 06-24-2016, 01:53 PM   #1
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Question Very new Roamio Pro user with Tivo Mini question

Tivo Newbie here (but with decent computer and A/V experience) that's permanently disabled and trying to cut costs on a Time Warner system.

I lucked into an open-box Roamio Pro recently for an embarrassingly low price, which was both very lucky and a Godsend. Thet RP eliminated my Time Warner DVR.

My question - I had Time Warner's "whole house" DVR service, and it's priced ridiculously high - so now I have a better DVR for less money - but no service in other rooms. I really need it in 2 other rooms and have been researching used Tivo Minis.

I've been looking at the Mini's on eBay and Amazon (and understand the IR vs RF remote difference) and looked at dozens of sites, but I'm still confused:

If I buy a used Tivo mini (with IR or RF remote - not a big deal for me):


1. How do I activate it, and is there a monthly charge (read all sorts of conflicting info)?
2. Does the previous owner need to "release" it, aka "get a ticket number" for me (I'm concerned about buying something that turns out to be a brick and this is another subject that is very baffling).
3. Do I still need a cable box with each Mini...or a Cable Card/Tuning Adapter like I have for the Roamio Pro...or will each one simply use one of the Pro's 6 tuners? (again, I've read conflicting/confusing info).
4. The whole house is wired with interconnected Coax in each room, and the RP is on an ethernet connection along with the cable from the tuning adapter. Can I simply use splitters and hook the Minis up via Coax?
4a. Or - I have a "slave" router for better wireless connection at the back of the house using a different network name - can I plug an ethernet cable into that and 2 minis (TV's are on opposite sides of an adjoining wall)?
5. An afterthought - is there a huge technical difference between the IR and RF models other than the remote?

If I can eliminate the two additional HD boxes in addition to the DVR it'll save me a ton of money over short period of time, which I REALLY need (Disability income and high medical expenses just wreck my budget) - but TV and playing a little guitar are the only things I can do, so it's really important to have the TV rigged where I can access recordings from other rooms AND reduce monthly costs as much as possible. And cost reduction is why I'm looking at used ones - full retail is tough to handle.

Sorry for the multiple questions, and I really appreciate any help/advice in advance. The Roamio Pro is the best thing I've bought in years, and I'm really hoping I can afford to expand the system (and cut costs as well).

Thanks!!

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Old 06-24-2016, 03:05 PM   #2
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You are on the correct long term savings track. Get two Tivo Mini's from wherever you want and connect them to the coax in the two rooms. I'm not sure why the Amazon price of the Tivo Minis went up $20 lately. You just create a MoCA network from the Roamio Pro as described here:

https://www.tivo.com/support/how-to/...etwork#tivoBox

You just activate the minis online at tivo.com regardless of where you get them from.

Then cheer as you return your cable company's equipment.

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Old 06-24-2016, 03:27 PM   #3
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Tivo Newbie here (but with decent computer and A/V experience) that's permanently disabled and trying to cut costs on a Time Warner system.

I lucked into an open-box Roamio Pro recently for an embarrassingly low price, which was both very lucky and a Godsend. Thet RP eliminated my Time Warner DVR.

My question - I had Time Warner's "whole house" DVR service, and it's priced ridiculously high - so now I have a better DVR for less money - but no service in other rooms. I really need it in 2 other rooms and have been researching used Tivo Minis.

I've been looking at the Mini's on eBay and Amazon (and understand the IR vs RF remote difference) and looked at dozens of sites, but I'm still confused:

If I buy a used Tivo mini (with IR or RF remote - not a big deal for me):


1. How do I activate it, and is there a monthly charge (read all sorts of conflicting info)?
2. Does the previous owner need to "release" it, aka "get a ticket number" for me (I'm concerned about buying something that turns out to be a brick and this is another subject that is very baffling).
3. Do I still need a cable box with each Mini...or a Cable Card/Tuning Adapter like I have for the Roamio Pro...or will each one simply use one of the Pro's 6 tuners? (again, I've read conflicting/confusing info).
4. The whole house is wired with interconnected Coax in each room, and the RP is on an ethernet connection along with the cable from the tuning adapter. Can I simply use splitters and hook the Minis up via Coax?
4a. Or - I have a "slave" router for better wireless connection at the back of the house using a different network name - can I plug an ethernet cable into that and 2 minis (TV's are on opposite sides of an adjoining wall)?
5. An afterthought - is there a huge technical difference between the IR and RF models other than the remote?

If I can eliminate the two additional HD boxes in addition to the DVR it'll save me a ton of money over short period of time, which I REALLY need (Disability income and high medical expenses just wreck my budget) - but TV and playing a little guitar are the only things I can do, so it's really important to have the TV rigged where I can access recordings from other rooms AND reduce monthly costs as much as possible. And cost reduction is why I'm looking at used ones - full retail is tough to handle.

Sorry for the multiple questions, and I really appreciate any help/advice in advance. The Roamio Pro is the best thing I've bought in years, and I'm really hoping I can afford to expand the system (and cut costs as well).

Thanks!!
Hi,
1. To activate your TiVoŽ Service, go to https://www.tivo.com/tivo-mma/mma-ac...vateservice.do and follow the instructions. You'll need the 15 digit TiVo Service Number, which you can find on the label on the back of your TiVoŽ media device or on the System Information screen in the TiVoŽ media device menus.
2.Yes, the previous owner must contact Tivo to inform them of the transfer, Tivo should provide a transaction or reference number for this when you call to activate it. If this process is not followed, you may still get to use the mini, but activation may be delayed for several days. If you buy off of Ebay you are protected. Almost all minis these days are lifetime units but in the off chance that some unaware person is still paying for monthly service, you can still activate it "online" and get it as "lifetimed" but you must wait until the rental period has expired. New minis are cheaper from non-Tivo sources, AKA, Amazon, Ebay, etc.
3. No cable box is necessary or desirable with a mini, once successfully setup it will have access to live TV, recordings, and streaming services, and it uses one of the Roamios tuners only when watching live TV, recordings, or streaming services do not use a tuner.
4 and 4a. The Roamio Pro has builtin MoCA as do the minis, so in your situation, you would connect via both Ethernet and coax and in your network setup choose, "create a MoCA network" on the pro, the minis you should select "connect to a MoCA network". Since you had whole home DVR service which uses MoCA you most likely already have a MoCA POE or Whole Home DVR filter installed, which is good, but you probably will not have a filter for the TA(tuning adapter) which is needed for connecting to the Pro, and the recommended way to connect this is by adding a 2 way splitter with one leg using a filter and feeding the TA, while the other leg goes to the Pro, and you will have a USB cable to run from the TA to the Pro.
Wireless stuff can be used with provisions, but right now you sound setup for MoCA so I recommend you go with that.
5. If money is a priority, go with whichever minis you can get for the best price. I personally like the RF on the 93000 v2 minis and the remote is the same for the v2 as the Pro, the V1's remote is IR only and is a bit larger, but for your purposes the least expensive will work fine.
6. If you are returning your DVR and boxes, and getting the Cable Card for your Pro(one card only), remember to ask for an additional filter for the TA. Search for the cable card specialists number to use when activating the cable card. Problems, come back to one of the most appropriate forums and post. Good luck.


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1. To activate your TiVoŽ Service, go to www.mytivo.co.nz/activate and follow the instructions. You'll need the 15 digit TiVo Service Number, which you can find on the label on the back of your TiVoŽ media device or on the System Information screen in the TiVoŽ media device menus.
Is that URL correct? Because it looks like it goes to New Zealand..

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Tivo Newbie here (but with decent computer and A/V experience) that's permanently disabled and trying to cut costs on a Time Warner system.

I lucked into an open-box Roamio Pro recently for an embarrassingly low price, which was both very lucky and a Godsend. Thet RP eliminated my Time Warner DVR.

My question - I had Time Warner's "whole house" DVR service, and it's priced ridiculously high - so now I have a better DVR for less money - but no service in other rooms. I really need it in 2 other rooms and have been researching used Tivo Minis.

I've been looking at the Mini's on eBay and Amazon (and understand the IR vs RF remote difference) and looked at dozens of sites, but I'm still confused:

If I buy a used Tivo mini (with IR or RF remote - not a big deal for me):


1. How do I activate it, and is there a monthly charge (read all sorts of conflicting info)?
2. Does the previous owner need to "release" it, aka "get a ticket number" for me (I'm concerned about buying something that turns out to be a brick and this is another subject that is very baffling).
3. Do I still need a cable box with each Mini...or a Cable Card/Tuning Adapter like I have for the Roamio Pro...or will each one simply use one of the Pro's 6 tuners? (again, I've read conflicting/confusing info).
4. The whole house is wired with interconnected Coax in each room, and the RP is on an ethernet connection along with the cable from the tuning adapter. Can I simply use splitters and hook the Minis up via Coax?
4a. Or - I have a "slave" router for better wireless connection at the back of the house using a different network name - can I plug an ethernet cable into that and 2 minis (TV's are on opposite sides of an adjoining wall)?
5. An afterthought - is there a huge technical difference between the IR and RF models other than the remote?

If I can eliminate the two additional HD boxes in addition to the DVR it'll save me a ton of money over short period of time, which I REALLY need (Disability income and high medical expenses just wreck my budget) - but TV and playing a little guitar are the only things I can do, so it's really important to have the TV rigged where I can access recordings from other rooms AND reduce monthly costs as much as possible. And cost reduction is why I'm looking at used ones - full retail is tough to handle.

Sorry for the multiple questions, and I really appreciate any help/advice in advance. The Roamio Pro is the best thing I've bought in years, and I'm really hoping I can afford to expand the system (and cut costs as well).

Thanks!!
Since all your rooms where the TVs are located, you can just connect the ethernet cables and only have coax ethernet connected to the Roamio. Minis do not have any tuners, so the coax input is strictly for MoCa connection (ethernet by coax). Minis also have lifetime included (except for the earlier models.) You really can hardly use wireless for the mini to Roamio connections as it needs more bandwidth only wired connections can provide.

The Roamio Plus/Pro can only connect and use digital cable. You may also need a tuning adapter for some channels. (Minis don't use it.)

Minis can use a tuner for Live TV, but is not ideal for channel surfing. Also, to switch tuners, you would have to release the current tunner for another.

For activation, go to tivo.com/mma or just call Tivo CS (1-800-877-8486). You would need all the DVRs and Minis on the same account. For which it should have the same Media Access Key (MAK) or else the Minis cannot access the Tivo DVR.

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Great stuff everyone - I really appreciate the thoroughness. Not worried about the "New Zealand" link, I'm sure I can find the right one. I was mostly concerned about required equipment and whether there were activation hassles with used ones.

I wasn't aware of the "MAK", so that's good to know.

The Roamio Pro is up and running already - they do have to send a tech out tomorrow because 3 of the primary channels I watch are dropping to 720P or 480i, even after they reset it remotely and had me 1) un-check every setting *but* 1080i, and attach the USB cable between Tivo and TA (saw nothing in the instructions and had no idea why it was included with the "kit".).

There's no filter...I think...on the Roamio Pro. Is it something standard for every installation? I think I know what it looks like, but don't know if there are different types - I'll ask the tech tomorrow (and they are sending a Tivo/cble card specific tech).

Again, great info - thank you all so much! Just cutting out the whole house DVR is saving me around $40/mo - and (this is a bit embarrassing) - the open box, never activated or even connected Roamio Pro cost me all of $99! Needless to say, this is doing wonders for my budget (and the RP price/TW cost savings make the Minis possible - and the price will STILL be lower! Guess I really got lucky!

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Did you get the Roamio subscribed to Tivo service? Its required for function.

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