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Old 03-11-2013, 09:53 PM   #1
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The Following 3/11/13 "Welcome Home"

Wow! Mike got to the warehouse before Ryan did!!

Man, those cult people sure are cartoonish. And I'm not sure what to make of the new FBI boss guy. Clearly he's impeding the investigation by keeping everybody who's made any progress off the trail. So is he a Follower, or are we just supposed to think he's a Follower?

I swear, if this show were any less stupid, it would be bad.
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I always thought Mike would end up being a Follower. Guess I was wrong.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:11 PM   #3
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I always thought Mike would end up being a Follower. Guess I was wrong.
Or he's REALLY REALLY dedicated...
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:25 PM   #4
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I must say it does have a lot of twists each week. I didnt think it was going to last because of itbeing a continuing weekly program. Usually shows are self contained and might touch on something that is reaccuring. But it has kept me interested.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:11 AM   #5
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An open letter to the character of Mike Westin: Dude, I'm sorry. You weren't Roderick. You even endured a beating at serial killer fight club and didn't talk about Claire. You got there first this time. You're still an incompetent nincompoop, but at least you seem like an honest one. Or a really deep cover follower.

Whew, now that's over with... So we got to meet Roderick this time. Not what I was expecting. I thought for sure he'd turn out to be one of the feds (perhaps even a female fed, just to throw a surprise turn at us). For all the hype leading up to the Roderick reveal, it felt a bit anticlimatic. So he's the Robin to Carroll's Batman. Meh.

I felt bad for Charlie. He seemed to take one for Roderick's and Blonde Woman's failure this night. Not sure why he was singled out.

New FBI boss guy. Annoying. Probably a follower. 1) He's preventing Ryan from doing his job. 2) He sent Westin home making him an easy target.

Funniest scene tonight was Westin and the hotel. The poor guy, he sees followers everywhere. You just knew there was going to be someone in his hotel room waiting for him. Just knew it.

Total of 6 serial killers down for this week. Five at fight club and one guy who died from sucking his thumb. I thought for sure Ryan hit Blonde Woman, too, but he didn't.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:29 AM   #6
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Or he's REALLY REALLY dedicated...
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My money still has him in the cult.

Else he would have died like most people suffering a stab wound like that would.

I'm not sure about the new fbi dude either.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:43 AM   #7
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And again, Ryan fails to call for backup when it's needed.
If they had backup, they might have had a shot at catching Roderick and company.

Plus, what the hell was that music during Charlie's death scene?
Was I supposed to feel sorry that he offered himself up to a psycho killer?
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What was with the several mentions of how Joe Carroll escaped twice? I only remember him escaping once. Was there another time we don't know about yet?
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What was with the several mentions of how Joe Carroll escaped twice? I only remember him escaping once. Was there another time we don't know about yet?
Escape #1 was the pilot episode. Escape #2 was last weeks episode. Haven't seen this weeks ep yet, so I don't know the context.

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My money still has him in the cult.

Else he would have died like most people suffering a stab wound like that would.
I was joking (almost but not quite entirely). But I have to admit, I was amused by the scene where all the bad guys were gathered around him, looming threateningly over him...and not actually doing anything, as if they were just waiting for Ryan to show up.

But I really don't think that was deliberate...just really bad blocking on the part of the director. Trying to build suspense instead of laughter (which was my reaction).

As I said, if this show were any less stupid, it would be bad.
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I giggled at the FBI lady's line as they arrived at the empty warehouse, "I'll go check the perimeter." And leave Kevin to enter the building all alone, again.

I found the scenes where Joe slipped the knife into the woman on the table and then Charlie quite disturbing. I also found the proximity of the timing of the violent and steamy scenes to cross some imaginary line for me, for both Joe and Roderick. I must be getting wimpy in my old age. Maybe that's how they hope to keep viewers tuning in? Versus a remotely plausible story line??
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I giggled at the FBI lady's line as they arrived at the empty warehouse, "I'll go check the perimeter." And leave Kevin to enter the building all alone, again.
My new theory is that Ryan is in a coma and this entire series is but a dream. His big ego leads to him always confronting bad guys alone in his dreams.

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I found the scenes where Joe slipped the knife into the woman on the table and then Charlie quite disturbing.
I wasn't too bothered by the scene with the woman (maybe Dexter has desensitized me to killing people on a table scenes), but the killing of Charlie creeped me out. It was one of those "do I really want to be watching this?" moments.
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I wasn't too bothered by the scene with the woman (maybe Dexter has desensitized me to killing people on a table scenes), but the killing of Charlie creeped me out. It was one of those "do I really want to be watching this?" moments.
Been on-board with Dexter since the beginning. His "kills" do not have the same affect on me as these did. I think with Dexter his victims seem to die nearly instantly, whereas this woman and Charlie really felt the slow entry of the blade. Still gives me the willies thinking about it.

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Old 03-12-2013, 10:19 AM   #14
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I must say it does have a lot of twists each week. I didnt think it was going to last because of itbeing a continuing weekly program. Usually shows are self contained and might touch on something that is reaccuring. But it has kept me interested.
That's kind of how I feel. The acting isn't that great - some of it's above average, some of it's below average. Don't really find any of the characters all that likeable. Many of the twists are just way too hard to believe. All of these "near misses" are getting to be a bit much. This show is bordering on ridiculous and hard to believe. They're walking a fine line.

And yet I still enjoy every episode. Very suspenseful. I have no idea where they're going with this show.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:22 AM   #15
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I have no idea where they're going with this show.
I suspect you're not alone in this.

You, me, the writers...
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New FBI boss guy. Annoying. Probably a follower. 1) He's preventing Ryan from doing his job. 2) He sent Westin home making him an easy target.
I'm probably giving this show way too much credit but this is closer to what would happen in real life.

Ryan "tortured" Joe, which in addition to legal complications led to his transfer which led to his escape.

Ryan also "tortured" the guy who was shot in the leg.

Ryan is constantly going against what he's being told to do and frequently sucks in other members of the FBI.

There is no way a guy like Ryan, who isn't even part of the FBI, police, etc. would be allowed to run around with a gun doing whatever he wants. He's not keeping Ryan from doing his "job." Ryan's job is NOT to catch Joe on his own, it's to help the authorities catch Joe. So even though it may frustrate us as viewers it's probably the most realistic aspect of this show.

I would argue that completely removing Ryan may be the best move. Sure, it wouldn't make sense for the show but everything Joe is doing is seemingly meant to provoke and torment Ryan. Remove Ryan and that takes away part of Joe's motive and presumably most of the "fun."

As far as Mike being sent home for hacking his boss's email... Never mind the fact he's an "FBI boss" with access to extremely sensitve information, hack your boss's email at McDonald's, admit to it in front of everyone and guess what happens? I'm guessing you go home.
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...As far as Mike being sent home for hacking his boss's email... Never mind the fact he's an "FBI boss" with access to extremely sensitve information, hack your boss's email at McDonald's, admit to it in front of everyone and guess what happens? I'm guessing you go home.
I though he would have been immediately fired and brought up on charges.


Here’s a fun game.

Start drinking every time Ryan says “call for backup, I’m going in!”

Stop drinking when backup actually arrives.


Since the FBI must know by now that Ryan’s hunches always pan out, why don’t they send a full squad of people with him where ever he goes?
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And again, Ryan fails to call for backup when it's needed.
If they had backup, they might have had a shot at catching Roderick and company.
Yes! As pointed out by a lot of people there are MANY flaws in this show but I, along with (it seems) many others, still enjoy it. However the one thing that really bugs me is the above. In this episode even if this was a hunch it still pays to send more than just Ryan and the lady FBI person. The show can still be quite dramatic even if backup is sent along with Ryan on these hunches!

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Yes! As pointed out by a lot of people there are MANY flaws in this show but I, along with (it seems) many others, still enjoy it. However the one thing that really bugs me is the above. In this episode even if this was a hunch it still pays to send more than just Ryan and the lady FBI person. The show can still be quite dramatic even if backup is sent along with Ryan on these hunches!

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Yeah, all the backup could have just checked the perimeter while Ryan stormed the place!
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I found the scenes where Joe slipped the knife into the woman on the table and then Charlie quite disturbing. I also found the proximity of the timing of the violent and steamy scenes to cross some imaginary line for me, for both Joe and Roderick. I must be getting wimpy in my old age. Maybe that's how they hope to keep viewers tuning in? Versus a remotely plausible story line??
I agree. It was very difficult to watch. Which I suppose was the point. It was horrifying to see. The violence has not bothered me to this point but las night for me was different. It was the first time I felt what some of the earlier reviewers wrote about, describing the show as basically violence porn. That's certainly what it felt like for me and I didn't much care for it. If the show continues on the road they went down last night, I'll be done with it.
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I always thought Mike would end up being a Follower. Guess I was wrong.
Late to the party but echoing Rob's comments, I would not put it past these incompetent writers to later on have Mike BE a Follower citing Charlie's even greater dedication letting himself be gutted like a fish. They've shown that their theme is anything for shock value, regardless of logic or plot contradictions.
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I giggled at the FBI lady's line as they arrived at the empty warehouse, "I'll go check the perimeter." And leave Kevin to enter the building all alone, again.

I found the scenes where Joe slipped the knife into the woman on the table and then Charlie quite disturbing. I also found the proximity of the timing of the violent and steamy scenes to cross some imaginary line for me, for both Joe and Roderick. I must be getting wimpy in my old age. Maybe that's how they hope to keep viewers tuning in? Versus a remotely plausible story line??
You're not alone. I'm not squeamish but I actually feel unclean after watching this stuff. An I read the Hannibel Lector book "Red Dragon" and enjoyed it. I think because the writers have just gone in for pure gratuitous gore and seem in some sick way to be reveling in the eviscerations. Maybe my prior comment in jest that they're trying to make us all desensitized sociopathic followers by season's end is true!
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And again, Ryan fails to call for backup when it's needed.
If they had backup, they might have had a shot at catching Roderick and company.
You'd think so, but on this show when they have an elite trained FBI swat team surrounding 3 amateur cereal killahs they still all escape with ease.
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You'd think so, but on this show when they have an elite trained FBI swat team surrounding 3 amateur cereal killahs they still all escape with ease.
Of course, the Secret Serial Killer Society had outside help opening up a hole for them.

Which doesn't really make it a whole lot more logical...
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Here’s a fun game.

Start drinking every time Ryan says “call for backup, I’m going in!”

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I'd still be sober as Ryan has yet to actually call for backup.

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You'd think so, but on this show when they have an elite trained FBI swat team surrounding 3 amateur cereal killahs they still all escape with ease.
Which is why I said "might".


Of course, one possible take away from this episode is that Carroll's cult does have someone inside of the FBI.
Else how did they get a complete dossier on Weston?
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Of course, one possible take away from this episode is that Carroll's cult does have someone inside of the FBI.
Else how did they get a complete dossier on Weston?
or Charlie hacked the FEEBs email before having the living room radical prostatectomy
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I giggled at the FBI lady's line as they arrived at the empty warehouse, "I'll go check the perimeter." And leave Kevin to enter the building all alone, again.
Why didn't she (or anyone) slap a tracking device on the bad guy's car?
They drove straight back to the party mansion.
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Since the FBI must know by now that Ryan’s hunches always pan out, why don’t they send a full squad of people with him where ever he goes?
They should put an ankle monitor on him.
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Why didn't she (or anyone) slap a tracking device on the bad guy's car?
Or for that matter - let the air out of the tires.
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