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Old 03-11-2013, 12:50 PM   #1
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TiVo Series 5

I wanted to start a thread about the series 5 for rumors when it might be released, any features people might want, etc.

I was going to purchase 2 Minis and an XL4, but I've decided to wait until the new series comes out. Was hoping for faster processor and 6 tuners.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:04 PM   #2
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You mean like this thread:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=501545
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:07 PM   #3
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My first guess...Iit probably not going to be called a Series 5. It'll likely still be a Premiere just with upgraded hardware.

My second guess... It will be based on the Pace XG1 hardware platform meaning it should be capable of having up to 6 tuners. I also think we'll see a 3 or 4 tuner unit that supports OTA.

My third guess... It'll have a built in H.264 encoder for built in TiVo Stream capabilities.

Now lets see if any of those come true.
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My first guess...Iit probably not going to be called a Series 5. It'll likely still be a Premiere just with upgraded hardware.
Their next model may not be a Series 5, but there will be a Series 5 eventually (unless they go out of business before then).

P.S. I'm not saying I expect them to go out of business; I'm just saying that the only way I see a "Series 5" not happening at some point (however distant) is if they do go out of business before they get to that point.

Clearly a "Series" can encompass some significant hardware changes (e.g., OLED S3 vs. TiVo HD, or Premiere vs. Premiere 4 for that matter). But at some point -- I don't know when -- there will be something -- I don't know what -- that makes them think, "This deserves a bump in the Series number."

Maybe when they add h.265.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #6
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He indicated that he was waiting for the Series 5 as if it would be released soon. I don't think that's going to happen. I believe that TiVo is working on a new generation of hardware that will likely be released this year, but it probably wont be called a Series 5.

I think we're going to get another 3+ years out of the Series 4/Premiere line.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:00 PM   #7
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He indicated that he was waiting for the Series 5 as if it would be released soon. I don't think that's going to happen. I believe that TiVo is working on a new generation of hardware that will likely be released this year, but it probably wont be called a Series 5.

I think we're going to get another 3+ years out of the Series 4/Premiere line.
I agree. It will just be a new model Premiere with faster hardware.

Direct TV has done the Same thing with there HR Line of DVR's

The HR24's came out 2 years ago and just flowed into the system but they had upgraded HW.. Now you have the HR34 and 44 which is the same design but now with the 34/44 have 5 tuners
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:14 PM   #8
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I agree that the next TiVo hardware to come will be considered a "Series 4".

I expect a 6 tuner cable model and a 4 tuner OTA model based on the recent FCC filings.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:29 PM   #9
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I expect a 6 tuner cable model and a 4 tuner OTA model based on the recent FCC filings.
An OTA-only model?
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:53 PM   #10
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An OTA-only model?
I would guess it will be both OTA and digital based off the filings and surveys.

Potentially I could see TiVo approach whoever makes the OTA tuner chips to see if they can develop a 4 tuner design. Either that or there are other chip improvements that may make it affordable and efficient to make it both 4 OTA and digital.

The waiver request is to drop Analog tuners which may be enough of a solution.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:56 PM   #11
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I also think we'll see a 3 or 4 tuner unit that supports OTA.
With the mini being advertised as requiring four or more tuners, I don't think we'll ever see a 3 tuner TiVo.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:17 PM   #12
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My first guess...Iit probably not going to be called a Series 5. It'll likely still be a Premiere just with upgraded hardware.

My second guess... It will be based on the Pace XG1 hardware platform meaning it should be capable of having up to 6 tuners. I also think we'll see a 3 or 4 tuner unit that supports OTA.

My third guess... It'll have a built in H.264 encoder for built in TiVo Stream capabilities.

Now lets see if any of those come true.
I like your predictions and think they are probably correct. Except I think a 3 tuner would be odd, 4 is on the mark.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:21 PM   #13
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I broke down today and bought a Mini and XL4. We don't have a cable box in our master bedroom, and my wife is pregnant and wanted to watch her shows in the bedroom. So I caved in.

Will probably move the XL4 to the home theater room when a newer DVR comes out (or get another Mini and sell the XL4 on eBay).
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:41 PM   #14
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I wonder if HDMI 1.4 will be implemented in the next TiVo since the current Premiere is HDMI 1.3. I'm also hoping that the next TiVo will support all of the features that the current line of TiVo Premiere's have such as support for streaming and transferring so it can be added into a TiVo Premiere centric household. I'm also wondering if TiVo will roll out any software updates to the current line of TiVo Premiere's to bring it on par with the software or feature of the next TiVo, again so the functionality and performance is seamless between current and next line.

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Old 03-12-2013, 06:22 AM   #15
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I would guess it will be both OTA and digital based off the filings and surveys.

Potentially I could see TiVo approach whoever makes the OTA tuner chips to see if they can develop a 4 tuner design. Either that or there are other chip improvements that may make it affordable and efficient to make it both 4 OTA and digital.

The waiver request is to drop Analog tuners which may be enough of a solution.
I would buy a 4 OTA + digital unit so fast it would make someone's head spin. This would be a great solution, supporting both OTA usage as well as Mini and Stream usage! Hurry up, TiVo!!
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:30 AM   #16
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We just got the Mini. I'm going to bask in that glory for a while.

I've learned to have very low expectations for new TiVo products. With that being said, I will not expect, speculate, or look for a Series 5 box within the next 2-3 years, AT LEAST.
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My first guess...Iit probably not going to be called a Series 5. It'll likely still be a Premiere just with upgraded hardware.

My second guess... It will be based on the Pace XG1 hardware platform meaning it should be capable of having up to 6 tuners. I also think we'll see a 3 or 4 tuner unit that supports OTA.

My third guess... It'll have a built in H.264 encoder for built in TiVo Stream capabilities.

Now lets see if any of those come true.
Possibly with the 2 drive bays for more storage, maybe a bump to a 3 or 4Tb per drive.
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I like your predictions and think they are probably correct. Except I think a 3 tuner would be odd, 4 is on the mark.
The reason I said 3 is because if the new platform only supports a max of 6 tuners, like the current one only does 4, then i could see them doing a 3/3 configuration for a box that does OTA.
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I certainly would be Interested in a 4 Tuner OTA model that offered increase speed and perhaps more IP/Internet Streaming abilities.

With Digital only combined OTA/Cable units TiVo can offer some interesting options, like a 4+4 digital OTA/Cable combination might be able to record more than 4 channels at once if you were using both the OTA and Cable inputs. Plus now that they have built the Mini with the operating system on flash memory perhaps future units would use the same setup allowing for simple hard drive upgrades (no software to worry about), like allowing dual internal drives again and drives bigger than 2TB.

Not sure TiVo really is into innovating any more but we can still hope
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6 tuner box, 4tb hdd, built in capabilities of the current TiVo Stream, and enough internal upgrades to be called a series 5!
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How about we iron out that whole dynamic tuner allocation thing before hammering out that 6-tuner box.

Maybe even that whole Stream/Android thing too.

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How about we iron out that whole dynamic tuner allocation thing before hammering out that 6-tuner box.

Maybe even that whole Stream/Android thing too.

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Agreed. I meant my comment more along the lines of "let's get the stuff we have on sale right now fully finished before we move onto the next thing we aren't going to finish".
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How about we iron out that whole dynamic tuner allocation thing before hammering out that 6-tuner box.

Maybe even that whole Stream/Android thing too.

Thanks.
I'd rather get the six tuner TiVo first. As long as it has at least a 3TB hard drive.
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No matter what we all want, one thing is certain. We will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time for it.
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The reason I said 3 is because if the new platform only supports a max of 6 tuners, like the current one only does 4, then i could see them doing a 3/3 configuration for a box that does OTA.
That would be my guess as well.
TiVo could use a 6 tuner chipset for both a Premiere 6 (digital cable only; like the elite/4/4xl but 2 additional tuners) and a Premiere 3 (ota/cable; like the Premiere/XL but with 1 additional logical tuner).

Although if the minis really will only work with "4 or more tuner TiVos" like their box says that implies they wouldn't work with a 3/3 box - which would still mean no OTA TiVos could support them (which seems an oversight)
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I bet that 4 tuner limitation on the Mini is temporary. Once they get dynamic tuner allocation working there is no technical reason to set a minimum number of tuners for the host. It makes sense now, with the all or nothing approach they currently have. But we'll likely see dynamic tuner allocation working long before these new units hit, so I bet that limitation is gone before it's an issue.

TiVo has had boxes in the past with wording that no longer applied and the just covered it up with a sticker. No reason they couldn't do that again with any remaining Minis in stock after the software is updated to support dynamic tuner allocation.
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I bet that 4 tuner limitation on the Mini is temporary. Once they get dynamic tuner allocation working there is no technical reason to set a minimum number of tuners for the host. It makes sense now, with the all or nothing approach they currently have. But we'll likely see dynamic tuner allocation working long before these new units hit, so I bet that limitation is gone before it's an issue.

TiVo has had boxes in the past with wording that no longer applied and the just covered it up with a sticker. No reason they couldn't do that again with any remaining Minis in stock after the software is updated to support dynamic tuner allocation.
If that were the case, they would of waited. I don't think 2 tuners will ever work with the mini.
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I don't think that's true. Our best info says dynamic tuner allocation wont be available until Q2, which means the end of June. And it's not like TiVo has the best track record with sticking to release schedules so it could end up being September. By releasing the Mini now they not only appease anxious customers but they also potentially drive sales for 4 tuner units which have better margins for them.
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I wonder if HDMI 1.4 will be implemented in the next TiVo since the current Premiere is HDMI 1.3.
What do you need that 1.4 supports that 1.3 doesn't? That's an honest question. I thought 1.3 did everything people could ever need now, including 3D.. Maybe it doesn't do 4K? We're not going to have 4K sets for a long time.
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