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Old 11-04-2014, 12:39 PM   #1
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The March Mini

Let the speculation begin!

New Roamio-style RF remote is a lock right?

possibly wifi.

PRicepoint? Stays at $150? Or goes back up to say $175 or higher?

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Old 11-04-2014, 12:57 PM   #2
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I agree the RF Roamio remote is a given. I could see them push the price up to $175-$200, at least for the first 6 months or so after it is introduced. I don't think they will put wi-fi in it. They seem adamant that you need a wired connection, and wi-fi is a headache they just don't want to deal with.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:48 PM   #3
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Watch out how you speculate, there are those that will take it as the gospel truth and will bitch, moan, cry, feel betrayed and take a sledge to their Tivos when there is a different outcome. It is already happening over on the Premiere forum because Tivo didn't deliver with what was speculated about with the Prime/Vudu apps not showing up. Just a word of CAUTION ............
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:19 PM   #4
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Watch out how you speculate, there are those that will take it as the gospel truth and will bitch, moan, cry, feel betrayed and take a sledge to their Tivos when there is a different outcome. It is already happening over on the Premiere forum because Tivo didn't deliver with what was speculated about with the Prime/Vudu apps not showing up. Just a word of CAUTION ............
In that case, I prophesy that the new Mini will work with the THR22.
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Watch out how you speculate, there are those that will take it as the gospel truth and will bitch, moan, cry, feel betrayed and take a sledge to their Tivos when there is a different outcome. It is already happening over on the Premiere forum because Tivo didn't deliver with what was speculated about with the Prime/Vudu apps not showing up. Just a word of CAUTION ............
This. The train wreck in the Prime/Vudu Premiere thread has gotten way out of hand.

Oh well, here goes: RF remote, including adding a button to the box for the remote finder function. Although with a Mini, that function may be pointless since the small form factor is often utilized to hide it, generally in a hard to reach spot.

Honestly, I'm having a tough time coming up with anything else. It's a pretty compact and complete device as is. With the push to sell old inventory, I don't foresee much demand for a revamped Mini, at least initially. The big discounts on the current model have pulled a lot of demand forward.
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I agree the RF Roamio remote is a given. I could see them push the price up to $175-$200, at least for the first 6 months or so after it is introduced. I don't think they will put wi-fi in it. They seem adamant that you need a wired connection, and wi-fi is a headache they just don't want to deal with.
Yeah I wouldn't think wifi either.....except they do have AC now and the satellite guys have some sort of wireless extenders.

Plus they are wirelessly streaming to iPads and iPhones etc. Who's to say they don't allow that "type" of wireless streaming to a Tivo Mini?
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Yeah I wouldn't think wifi either.....except they do have AC now and the satellite guys have some sort of wireless extenders.

Plus they are wirelessly streaming to iPads and iPhones etc. Who's to say they don't allow that "type" of wireless streaming to a Tivo Mini?
The wireless Joeys and Genie Minis are a bit PITA for Dish/DirecTV support from what I hear. Give me an actual wire any day.
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I would expect a new Mini to get smaller. There is no reason the Mini couldn't be half the size it is today - biggest limiting factor is fitting HDMI, Ethernet, power, USB and analog out jacks on the edge of the circuit board. If they put the RF remote on board, they might drop the USB port. Oh, and of course, the system info screen will probably list it as a Series 5 device.
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MoCa bridging would be nice.
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Old 11-04-2014, 03:38 PM   #10
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MoCa bridging would be nice.
Good point, that is one of the few short-comings of the Mini and would be a nice added benefit
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:10 PM   #11
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I would assume if its a new design they would not offer lifetime

for me thats a big NO NO... form factor does not trump Lifetime
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:13 PM   #12
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I would assume if its a new design they would not offer lifetime

for me thats a big NO NO... form factor does not trump Lifetime
I don't think they will go back to service fees on the Mini. I expect that the "new" Mini retail price, whatever it turns out to be, will include lifetime service.
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:27 PM   #13
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:44 PM   #14
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The FCC filing's artwork/photos suggests it's the same form factor with all the same inputs.

No tests suggested wifi streaming.

The Zigbee tech (802.15.4) is the same as the Roamio remote. Zigbee is low-range and low-speed (compared to wifi).

If there's a CPU upgrade, a logical pick is the BCM7428 (3000 dmips, moca 2.0) but I don't know if they'd bother. Could just be a cost-reduced job.

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Old 11-04-2014, 09:59 PM   #15
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I would like to see a digital output for 5.1 audio.
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Old 11-05-2014, 12:54 AM   #16
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Yeah an optical or coaxial output would be nice. But I doubt it'll happen.
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I would expect a new Mini to get smaller. There is no reason the Mini couldn't be half the size it is today - biggest limiting factor is fitting HDMI, Ethernet, power, USB and analog out jacks on the edge of the circuit board. If they put the RF remote on board, they might drop the USB port. Oh, and of course, the system info screen will probably list it as a Series 5 device.
I would love to see a smaller mini as well.
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If they were clever, they'd make the mini the same size and shape as a Roku, which would allow the use of the many "back of the TV" mounting options that are available for Rokus.

But, since it doesn't seem that they are changing the form factor, I would guess that the remote update and a few minor internal updates may be pretty much the extent of the changes. A faster CPU is always welcome, but the Mini doesn't seem to need one...even the Amazon app performs pretty well.
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I bet they change the case slightly to look more like the Roamio. The pictures they sent to the FCC don't mean the design wont change. Although I doubt it will be smaller. It'll likely be the same basic size as the current one so the current back of TV mount they sell will continue to work.
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Old 11-05-2014, 04:03 PM   #20
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I just can't think of anything significant I am "wanting" on the Mini at this point. RF remote with a back button to match the Roamio - that would be just about it.

Could it be smaller / shinier - I suppose, but that wouldn't really push a sale for me. And for the life of me, I cannot think of any other "home automation" integration that would make any sense.
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I just can't think of anything significant I am "wanting" on the Mini at this point. RF remote with a back button to match the Roamio - that would be just about it.

Could it be smaller / shinier - I suppose, but that wouldn't really push a sale for me. And for the life of me, I cannot think of any other "home automation" integration that would make any sense.
Not that I would want this, but how about having a new Mini with direct streaming and make the interface like that of the Roku box, could operate without any compatible TiVo, but could stream any TiVo recorded shows from any Series 3 or higher TiVo within the home. With a 4 or more tuner TiVo on the network would also work like the Mini does now.
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Rumor is tivo is working on a Roku style / stream based interface - but that definately wouldn't be a replacement for the Mini! It would be fine as another access channel but would also bring all the stream based imitations that we have in the iOS / Android app.

Off the top of my head - No live TV.
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Old 11-06-2014, 12:39 PM   #23
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The Mini could use a new wall wart. It's not ideal for plugging into an outlet behind the tv (mounted on a wall.) It should have a flat plug with power adapter part in the middle of the cord.

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Rumor is tivo is working on a Roku style / stream based interface - but that definately wouldn't be a replacement for the Mini! It would be fine as another access channel but would also bring all the stream based imitations that we have in the iOS / Android app. Off the top of my head - No live TV.
It could easily be a replacement for the mini and also offer live tv, a la' the Simple.TV and Tablo.
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The wireless Joeys and Genie Minis are a bit PITA for Dish/DirecTV support from what I hear. Give me an actual wire any day.
And they're doing 6-9mbps MPEG-4. TiVos on FIOS have to push around 19mbps on some channels... No way TiVo will do wireless on the Mini.

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I bet they change the case slightly to look more like the Roamio. The pictures they sent to the FCC don't mean the design wont change. Although I doubt it will be smaller. It'll likely be the same basic size as the current one so the current back of TV mount they sell will continue to work.
I really, really hope they make a less ugly case for the thing. It looks horrible! It's pretty sad when Comcast's little mini-X1s look better than the TiVo Mini. Ugly case or not though, I still love my Minis.

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It could easily be a replacement for the mini and also offer live tv, a la' the Simple.TV and Tablo.
The interface wouldn't be nearly as responsive. Serious button mashers would be sorely disappointed with the thing.
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I really, really hope they make a less ugly case for the thing. It looks horrible! It's pretty sad when Comcast's little mini-X1s look better than the TiVo Mini. Ugly case or not though, I still love my Minis.
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the Mini looks pretty good.
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the Mini looks pretty good.
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So I called TiVo tonight to activate my Mini and we got to talking about the lifetime expiring and I said probably a replacement for the Mini in January. He responded no, just the deal ending. He went on to say only thing new was the Mega. Truth? who knows but I thought I would share.
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And they're doing 6-9mbps MPEG-4. TiVos on FIOS have to push around 19mbps on some channels... No way TiVo will do wireless on the Mini.

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It does work perfectly fine over wireless right now. Whether my Mini is on a wireless bridge or I'm using wireless from a Roamio Basic. It is perfectly fine. But i also have a properly setup WIFi network. And the vast majority people do not. So from a support point of view, wireless would be a PITA since most people only have one AP to cover their entire house. Which is not the way to properly setup a WiFi network.
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So I called TiVo tonight to activate my Mini and we got to talking about the lifetime expiring and I said probably a replacement for the Mini in January. He responded no, just the deal ending. He went on to say only thing new was the Mega. Truth? who knows but I thought I would share.
Based on TiVo's filings with the FCC, we know there is a new Mini coming. Whether or not it is coming in January and what specific features it will have are uncertain, but it is coming.

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