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Old 03-05-2013, 10:35 AM   #31
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I really need to read my copy of "The War for Late Night"..

But you're really claiming that they'd've had to pay Leno more than $45 million?
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...As I recall, Leno had a "Pay or Play" clause in his contract in that he had a guaranteed two years, otherwise NBC would have to pay him $150 million and he'd be free to go look for a job on another network.
Read it. Leno has a "pay AND play" contract. NBC had to pay him AND they had to keep him on the air. That's why he got the earlier show.

As above, Leno can't stand the thought of not being on TV.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:35 AM   #32
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Read it. Leno has a "pay AND play" contract. NBC had to pay him AND they had to keep him on the air. That's why he got the earlier show.

As above, Leno can't stand the thought of not being on TV.
Leno had a pay AND play clause in his contract for his prime time show. Giving Leno agreeing to take the Tonight back was the only way to cancel his prime time show.

I have read anything which suggests he currently has such a clause. I've read Leno is making around 15 million, Fallon around 5 million. Moving Falloon up might improve the target demographic ratings and should save a few dollars.
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Leno had a pay AND play clause in his contract for his prime time show. Giving Leno agreeing to take the Tonight back was the only way to cancel his prime time show.

I have read anything which suggests he currently has such a clause. I've read Leno is making around 15 million, Fallon around 5 million. Moving Falloon up might improve the target demographic ratings and should save a few dollars.
I don't see any reason why Leno would agree to give up that clause or the salary he was getting when he moved to prime time. That clause saved his butt before. Why would he give it up? And if he did give it up, what would stop NBC from just canning him right after that?

I'm guessing the terms of the deal he signed before the prime time show are still in place and they all simply agreed that his hosting The Tonight Show in place of the prime time show would fulfill the terms of the agreement.
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:35 PM   #34
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That's why he got the earlier show.
Funny thing is (no pun intended), as much as I pick on Leno's reign on the TS (but he was funnier as a guest host waaaay back when), I somewhat defend his prime time show. It *wasn't* exactly the same as the TS, and had some funny bits that were significantly different (e.g. Adam Carolla bits). I think a few, but not all, have migrated back to TS, but originated on the prime time show.
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As above, Leno can't stand the thought of not being on TV.
Apparently neither could NBC if they approved such a strange contract.
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There's a rumor Howard Stern will take the Fallon slot. That would be awesome!
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Craig Ferguson blows all of them away!!!!!!!!
Regardless of ratings, I prefer Craig as well!!
I record all of the late night shows and watch the ones that look interesting.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:13 PM   #38
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Sorry, not buying it. Leno's still at the top of the ratings and after the previous messiness, I don't think he's going anywhere until he himself chooses to do so.
Don't be too sure on that. Things are starting to heat up at NBC.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...over-jokes/?hp
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:30 PM   #39
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Don't be too sure on that. Things are starting to heat up at NBC.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...over-jokes/?hp
Relevant bit:

'NBC has aggressively denied recent reports that it plans to replace Jay Leno soon as host of “The Tonight Show,”'

Irrelevant bit:

"but the network’s top entertainment executive, Robert Greenblatt, recently stirred up a bit of a feud with the late-night star over jokes about the network." and the rest of the article.

Mr. Greenblatt may have a thin skin, but it's not going to get Leno fired.
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..."but the network’s top entertainment executive, Robert Greenblatt, recently stirred up a bit of a feud with the late-night star over jokes about the network." and the rest of the article.

Mr. Greenblatt may have a thin skin, but it's not going to get Leno fired.
Leno's jokes about NBC are a sign that Leno thinks NBC is going to dump him. During the Conan fiasco Leno made many quips about NBC throwing out the show at the top with the highest ratings.
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Old 03-16-2013, 12:40 PM   #41
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During the Conan fiasco Leno made many quips about NBC throwing out the show at the top with the highest ratings.
But he always did that sort of joke, his entire run. Letterman even more so. Ferguson as well. It's... normal.
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But he always did that sort of joke, his entire run. Letterman even more so. Ferguson as well. It's... normal.
Which is what Leno is claiming is normal SOP:
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Old 03-16-2013, 01:12 PM   #43
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Don't be too sure on that. Things are starting to heat up at NBC.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...over-jokes/?hp
The article also supplies the relevant reason as to why it's a non-issue at this time.
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So far, Mr. Leno has continued to win consistently in almost every rating category, including among viewers between the ages of 18 and 49, the chief target for late-night advertisers. Mr. Kimmel won his first week against Mr. Leno in that category, but Mr. Leno has won every week since.

NBC has not provided much help. The network’s ratings in prime time have hit record lows in the past two months. NBC now regularly finishes first in the ratings in only three places: the evening newscasts, “Saturday Night Live” and Mr. Leno’s “Tonight” show.
Now, if Kimmel starts beating Leno consistently, well.......


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Which is what Leno is claiming is normal SOP:
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wmcbrine is right though.
Leno's done it plenty of times over the years, even before 2009.
Letterman has done it his entire late night career.
So has Kimmel, Fergusen, and O'Brien.

Even Carson took shots at NBC and it's management in his monologues.
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Put Pat Sajak in for Leno!


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Leno's jokes about NBC are a sign that Leno thinks NBC is going to dump him. During the Conan fiasco Leno made many quips about NBC throwing out the show at the top with the highest ratings.
It's a sign that Leno is doing the something he's always done, plus what every other late-night host has done. That's all it's a sign of.
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There's a rumor Howard Stern will take the Fallon slot. That would be awesome!
That would be awesome, but you also have to remember that Howard is only 4 years younger than Leno.
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Rumors are getting stronger Fallon replaces Leno, Fall 2014.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/bu...fallon.html?hp
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Rumors are getting stronger Fallon replaces Leno, Fall 2014.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/bu...fallon.html?hp
Interesting that they are planning to move the show to New York rather than move Fallon out to LA like they did with Conan. I wonder if they might have trouble booking A list guests. Kimmel would be the only 11:30 show out in Hollywood.
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Interesting that they are planning to move the show to New York rather than move Fallon out to LA like they did with Conan. I wonder if they might have trouble booking A list guests. Kimmel would be the only 11:30 show out in Hollywood.
Moving to NY would allow them to continue their plans to sunset the Burbank Studios, as they had planned to years ago.

The only productions left would be Access Hollywood/Access Hollywood Live, which are produced by KNBC and I would guess would likely move to the new KNBC facility on the Universal lot when it opens next year, and Days of Our Lives, which frankly is on borrowed time (given the current market for daytime soaps).
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And not having an 11:35 pm late show based in LA would be on par with all the other horrible decisions NBC brass has made of late.
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And not having an 11:35 pm late show based in LA would be on par with all the other horrible decisions NBC brass has made of late.
And that matters because?
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it matters because *the actors who are on late night talk shows* are mostly in L.A.
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That's kind of arrogant! Actors go on marketing junkets all over the place. If anything it allows them to hit Letterman, Fallon, the view, daily show, today, gma, actors studio, Kelley and Michael within a day or so. How much does LA have?


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it matters because *the actors who are on late night talk shows* are mostly in L.A.
Exactly. Far more of the talent is based in LA. When most of them appear on Letterman and Fallon and Today and Kelly and Michael, it's within a day or two of each other while they're on a promotional trip to NYC.

Edit: I see you zalusky already realized this point, but it means that the NY shows don't have a lot of flexibility in booking guests. They have to take what they can get based on promo junkets and it's always within days of their appearances on all the other shows, so it minimizes the exclusivity of that appearance.
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That's kind of arrogant! Actors go on marketing junkets all over the place. If anything it allows them to hit Letterman, Fallon, the view, daily show, today, gma, actors studio, Kelley and Michael within a day or so. How much does LA have?
Enough where Kimmel can have Matt Damon, Ben Afleck, Sheryl Crow, Andy Garcia, Demi Moore, Robin Williams. Nicole Kidman, Gary Oldman, Reese Witherspoon, and Amy Adams all on the same night, just because.
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Enough where Kimmel can have Matt Damon, Ben Afleck, Sheryl Crow, Andy Garcia, Demi Moore, Robin Williams. Nicole Kidman, Gary Oldman, Reese Witherspoon, and Amy Adams all on the same night, just because.
SNL does that now and then as well. Look at the recent Timberlake 5 time celebration.

Kimmel had ABC behind him big time. They want the lead at night big time just like they won it in the morning for GMA and they were willing to pull out all the stops.

I still don't consider LA vs NY a big deal. Actors go where they get the most eyeballs.
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If this is so bad, how are Letterman and Fallon surviving now ?

Add one more show and NY becomes a better market for "talk show appearances".
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Stars on tour to promote a show make a stop in NYC. The same star isn't usually on two different late night, same time slot, shows the same week.

Being in LA gives the show a number of stars (and near stars) available for sketches even if they don't have something to plug and aren't making a publicity tour. Letterman only has Regis. Kimmel uses a number of stars--JYoung already gave us a list. There is a reason why Carson moved the show to LA years ago.
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If this is so bad, how are Letterman and Fallon surviving now ?

Add one more show and NY becomes a better market for "talk show appearances".
There's a relative balance now because there is one prime late show (Letterman), one sub-prime late show (Fallon) and then a smattering of other cable shows and morning shows. The A-list guests from LA usually go to NYC and do Letterman first, then Fallon and the other shows a night or two later. They do the west coast shows a week before or a week later, so the competing shows don't usually have identical guests on consecutive nights.

Add in another prime late show (Tonight) in NYC and you'll then have bigger competition for the A-list guests on NYC promo tours, and you'll end up with guests being on Letterman one night and Tonight the next, or vice versa. That's not good for either show, if there isn't some separation between the appearances during the same time slot.
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SNL does that now and then as well. Look at the recent Timberlake 5 time celebration.

Kimmel had ABC behind him big time. They want the lead at night big time just like they won it in the morning for GMA and they were willing to pull out all the stops.

I still don't consider LA vs NY a big deal. Actors go where they get the most eyeballs.
You're missing the point.
While I believe all of the Timberlake 5 walk on guests live in the New York area, more stars live in the LA area so it's easier to get them on the LA based shows.

Plus as DevdogAZ points out, two 11:30 late night shows in New York will be going head to head for a more limited pool of guests.
(Although I'm starting to wonder if that's what Lorne Michaels wants.)

Being in Los Angeles also allows someone like Jim Parsons to pop in for a chat to plug the latest episode of his show while it's in production or Matt Damon to show up just because.

Carson recognized the value of being able to have Don Rickles be able to walk on unannounced.

(sorry for the ad at the beginning for those who have to click the link)

Rickles surprises Carson

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