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Old 01-28-2013, 10:31 AM   #1
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CNN Money article

This just showed up in my twitter feed -

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/...time-for-tivo/

Looks like I came back to TiVo at just the right time
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:36 AM   #2
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...In the past nine months, TiVo has spent $88.5 billion on research and development, equal to 41% of its total revenue in the period...
Where did all the money go?
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:46 AM   #3
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Where did all the money go?
Ya I have to guess they meant million not billion. But I have to question the whole thing as they couldn't even find a picture of a current model. Maybe nothing more than someone trying to pump the stock price
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:13 PM   #4
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Very interesting article... It is good to see TiVo presented in an possitive light.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:27 PM   #5
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Very interesting article... It is good to see TiVo presented in an possitive light.
It's good to see Tivo presented, period.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:14 PM   #6
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Ya I have to guess they meant million not billion. But I have to question the whole thing as they couldn't even find a picture of a current model.
Yeah, kinda strange. And even at 88.5 *million* you have to wonder where it went.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:53 PM   #7
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This just showed up in my twitter feed -

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/...time-for-tivo/

Looks like I came back to TiVo at just the right time
I think it would probably be great if Apple or Google bought TiVo. They both have tons of money to throw around.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:20 PM   #8
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I think it would probably be great if Apple or Google bought TiVo. They both have tons of money to throw around.
Doesn't sound like a good idea to me for us Tivo owners. Either of them might slowly kill off Tivo in favor of their own streaming solutions.
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:20 PM   #9
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I think it would probably be great if Apple or Google bought TiVo. They both have tons of money to throw around.
They would charge the user 99 cents per show recorded.
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:23 AM   #10
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Very interesting article... It is good to see TiVo presented in an possitive light.
If you consider 'positive' to be mostly touting how they're suing the pants off everyone and winning, sure.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:48 PM   #11
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That would suck if Apple bought TiVo. We would probably start seeing messages like this in recording history: "Not recorded due to objectionable content"
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I think people believe that if an Apple or Google owner of TiVo it would result in more or faster development. That would only be true if they believed it would result in greater profits. Just look at what Google has done with Motorola and the software DVR company they bought (forgot their name Sage?). The software is gone and they are cutting expenses at Motorola plus selling off the DVR part, I would not want any of that to happen to TiVo.

Oh and by the way if Apple owned TiVo and put their name on it I am sure the price would have to double.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:30 PM   #13
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If one of the big players purchased Tivo, it certainly would not be for the retail market - at least in the configuration as it exists.

A purchase of TiVo would be for the patent portfolio alone - other products would follow, but your TiVo and the service would brick pretty quickly.
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Yeah, kinda strange. And even at 88.5 *million* you have to wonder where it went.
TiVo Stream, TiVo Mini, some yet to be announced 6 tuner TiVo? Seems to me TiVo has done more in the last year then they did in the previous 3, so I hope they keep it up.

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:20 AM   #15
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C'mon man - Stream is half-baked because it doesn't include Android and Mini + the speculated new DVR don't exist in the market. They have made some good improvements to the Premiere code, but many bugs remain.

This is a continuation of what has come before - less than it should be given the investment.
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C'mon man - Stream is half-baked because it doesn't include Android and Mini + the speculated new DVR don't exist in the market. They have made some good improvements to the Premiere code, but many bugs remain.

This is a continuation of what has come before - less than it should be given the investment.
Just because the Mini isn't available yet doesn't mean they haven't already spent money on R&D. Things are typically in the R&D phase for 1-2 years before they actually hit the market. They showed a fully functional Mini at CES so most of it's R&D money has likely already been spent.

As for the Stream... Just because it doesn't have Android support doesn't mean it's "half baked". It does exactly what it was designed and advertised to do. Adobe Photoshop doesn't run on Linux, does that make it "half baked"?

The 6 tuner unit is pure speculation at this point. But that doesn't mean they haven't spent R&D money on it, or some other hardware refresh. The CEO hinted last year that a future hardware refresh would have Stream capabilities built in. So even if they don't ever release a 6 tuner unit we're still likely to see some sort of hardware refresh this year.

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Old 01-31-2013, 07:06 AM   #17
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Yep, it's half-baked when you don't support the largest pop of phones + all the Kindle Fires and other tablets out there. You call it what you will, but last I checked it wasn't called the "Tivo for Apple Stream".

And spending money to dev products that may never hit retail means nothing to us.
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Yep, it's half-baked when you don't support the largest pop of phones + all the Kindle Fires and other tablets out there. You call it what you will, but last I checked it wasn't called the "Tivo for Apple Stream".
The Stream is mainly targeted at tablets, not Phones, and Apple still rules that world. Plus they use a technology called Encrypted HLS to protect the streaming content and that is only supported in Android 4.0+. The original Kindle Fire ran a fork of v2.3 so it wont work. The newer HD ones use a fork of v4 so they will, but at the time the Stream was being developed the Fire HD did not exist and there were only a couple of Android tablets in existence running v4.0+ and they had very low adoption rates.

On top of that TiVo never, not once, demonstrated or touted Android support during the development of the Stream. Everything we saw and were told indicated that it would be an iOS only device at launch.

While you may personally be upset that it doesn't run on Android that does NOT make it half baked. There are a TON of apps that only run on one mobile platform, are all of them only half baked too? You're letting your personal feelings about a lack of support for your personal choice in OS reflect on your opinion of a product you've likely never even used.

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While you may personally be upset that it doesn't run on Android that does NOT make it half baked.
I'm not upset about it, but it's half-baked if it doesn't include Android.
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I'm a little upset about it. But only because I wanted to purchase a Stream. But there is no point in me purchasing one if it won't work with any of my tablets.
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I'm not upset about it, but it's half-baked if it doesn't include Android.
There are thousands of peripherals in the world that are designed to only work with one OS, are all of those "half-baked" too? What about the millions of software applications that are written only for Windows and wont run on Mac? Are those "half-baked" as well? You're using that term wrong. "Half baked" means unfinished. The TiVo Stream is a completely finished, fully functional, product that just happens to only work on one OS. The fact that it's possible for it to be expanded to support other OSes via software doesn't mean it's unfinished. I mean after Android support comes out is it still going to be "half-baked"? Because it still wont support Windows 8, or Roku, or Apple TV, or whatever other devices it could possibly support given the right software?

Now the Mini coming out and requiring a 4 tuner TiVo and a hard requisition of a tuner for live TV. That qualifies as half-baked. The Stream is a fully realized product and all they're doing now is expanding it to other platforms.

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The Tivo Stream is half-baked until it includes Android.
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Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.

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The Tivo Stream is half-baked until it includes Android.
The reverse is, "Android is half-baked until it has Tivo Stream."



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The Tivo Stream is half-baked until it includes Android.
I'd say 2/3rds baked.

And to respond to Dan, Stream-like hardware has been kicking around TiVo's labs for like 5 years. So I hope the recent R&D expenditures are something else.
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Yeah, kinda strange. And even at 88.5 *million* you have to wonder where it went.
You don't think it went towards any sort soon to be announced major product upgrade for the premieres, do you? I'm just getting ready to buy a two-tuner Premiere and don't want it to become outdated just a few months after I buy it/.
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You don't think it went towards any sort soon to be announced major product upgrade for the premieres, do you? I'm just getting ready to buy a two-tuner Premiere and don't want it to become outdated just a few months after I buy it/.
That why TiVo and other co.s keep that a secret, they don't want you to know, anybody on this form that would know will not tell so it may be a 31 days after you purchase or 30 months after you purchase, same feeling some people have now when they purchased Apple stock at more than $700/sh cause it going to $1000/sh (it is now in the mid $400s).
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I'm not upset about it, but it's half-baked if it doesn't include Android.
Sorry dude that does not make it half baked at all. There are so many products and software that were not available for the Mac back when and no one was complaining about them being half baked. They complained that it was not on the platform but that never meant the products were half baked.

Anyway, payback is well... It's a b***, isn't it?
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