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Old 11-12-2010, 03:21 PM   #1
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Fixing a Philips Series 1 PTV100 (HDR112)

I recently purchased a Series 1 PTV100/HDR112 TiVo unit with a lifetime subscription but a dead modem. In setting it up to use with my system, I foolishly got stuck in Guided Setup. (I was trying to get rid of the nag screens. I don't use cable or satellite...all my TV watching is OTA programming on a digital converter box. I just want to set the TiVo up as a digital recorder to capture from the line in. It doesn't appear I'll be able to timer record, though, as the TiVo clock doesn't seem to hold without something to sync to.)

I know also that the built-in hard drive on that unit is tiny. I have the image software to "build" a new drive for it; thinking I'll put about a 120GB drive in there. [I have an old backup computer that I can set up the drive or drives with. I considered putting a couple of 200GB drives in there, but if I can't timer record, this might be overkill.]

The problem I have is that I have no land line, and a dead modem. I've read about several ways around this, but while I do consider myself a bit of a computer nerd, my skills don't extend to Linux. I'd like to be able to image a new drive and put in fakecall and setupcomplete all "at once"...meaning before I put the new drive into the TiVo unit. I'm fairly handy with the hardware side of things...changing out a hard drive is going to be no problem if I can successfully image a new drive for it.

I've searched for a step-by-step tutorial for the Linux newbie, but no luck. I'd appreciate any and all assistance you could provide.

For what I'm doing, all I need is a basic TiVo box with a larger drive and NOT stuck in Guided Setup. (And yes, I admit I was foolish to get stuck in GS, but I also think it's rather foolish to set the machine up where "once it's started, it MUST complete." I've tried kickstart codes and all manner of hoop-jumping. If I could get back out of GS, the unit would be usable temporarily as is.)
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:18 PM   #2
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Oh my god, so you're the one who outbid me >

Anyway, you have 2 options to connect. Fix the modem, or use PPP.

Fixing the modem would probably be an easy task. It's probably a cold solder or bad component. I do electronics repair, so I'd be able to fix this in no time. If you'd like to go through with this option, send me a high res picture of both sides of the main PCB.

Anyway, option 2 is PPP.
There's a great guide here that I looked at when I was bidding on that tivo. xxx://dullroar.org/blog/2004/06/networkenable_a_series_1_tivo.html
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Old 11-13-2010, 12:05 AM   #3
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if i'd known it was going to be as much work as it is, I'd have let you win.

Still, since i have a big HD I can put in it...I might have a pretty decent deal if I can get it fixed up.
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Also, note my original statements...programming guide will NEVER work with what I've got (getting programming from a stand-alone digital converter box), so I really don't care if I ever really set the thing up. I just want it out of GS and into dumb-VCR mode.

I'm digging around for some sort of step-by-step walkthrough, hopefully one that will show me how to incorporate setupcomplete.tcl and/or fakecall.tcl to keep the box happy, so-to-speak.

In addition, I don't really need network access to this box. I have a DVD recorder, and when I have several things I want to keep, I'll dump them off to it. So if I can fake the call, I don't ever need network/phone access to this machine. Getting out of GS is the biggest roadblock right now though.

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Old 11-13-2010, 06:48 PM   #5
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If linux is not your forte, I recommend Serial PPP. No Linux hacking is needed, just some minor Windows modification and configuration.
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Old 11-14-2010, 03:07 AM   #6
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Thanks! I baked a new drive with InstantCake, and it's ready to roll as soon as I can get through the setup. I have a serial cable (the TiVo serial cable is the same as ones that came with a couple of old digital cameras I had years ago). If I'm understanding the Serial PPP article correctly, all I need is a USB-to-serial cable, a null modem adapter, and perhaps a gender changer (depending on what serial cable I buy), and I should be able to run GS through the PC's Internet connection?

I know I'm repeating myself, but this is totally new territory for me, and it seems a lot of the articles around assume a bit more knowledge than I have.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:28 PM   #7
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Set aside the original drive!!!!

Which version of the software did it come with when you got it?

I think there are some people who'd like to have a pre-3.0 image.

Whichever version it is, get the MFS Live CD and make a .bak and save it in a FAT32 or Ext2 partition on a computer or NAS hard drive where you can get to it in the future.

Then get another hard drive at least as big as the original and do a restore from that .bak file and test it in the TiVo to make sure you got a good backup.

Recomended reading includes the readme's from the MFS Live CD, the older MFS Tools, the Dylan's Boot Disk, the Kazymr(sp?), and Steve Jenkin's TiVo networking site.

Read it all, then read it all again.

Also, read up on the Apple Partition Map.
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Old 11-14-2010, 02:24 PM   #8
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I have no clue what version of the software is on the old drive. It is set aside. I got the InstantCake image for my Philips HDR112, ran the PTV upgrades and everything, and put the new drive in the TiVo. It's sitting at the same spot the old one was, though; still stuck in Guided Setup. That's where the Serial PPP will come into play. I'm going out to my storage trailer later today to see if I can find that serial cable. Unfortunately, I don't have a null modem cable, and only my (by computing standards) ancient HP Celeron 1.2GHz has a serial port, so if I want to use the newer computer, I'll still have to buy a USB-to-serial cable.

I'll see what version of the software is on the old drive; it had not been updated for several years, so there's a good possibility of it having the older image.

For Serial PPP, does it matter what our Internet connection is? We use a wireless (3G) cell modem, that plugs into the computer on USB and connects by "dialing" into the network, though at far higher speeds than 56K dial-up.

Update, 2AM Monday morning (Oklahoma time): With some help from Steve Jenkins' Series 1 TiVo hacking guide, I managed to run setupcomplete.tcl on my drive and break it out of GS. I seem to have lost my "Recorder and Phone Settings" options (at least some of them). Trying to get the input back to the line-in.

(Just a thought, but a lot of systems, such as my projector, scan all the inputs and select the active one...TiVo's failure to do so seems like an oversight in my book. It may just be the limitations of Series1 though.)

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Actually for "dumb VCR" mode, I think you don't need lifetime, you just need one manufactured (or sold, or something like that) before a certain date back around the turn of the century.

In your situation, that lifetime sub is going to waste.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:37 PM   #10
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Actually for "dumb VCR" mode, I think you don't need lifetime, you just need one manufactured (or sold, or something like that) before a certain date back around the turn of the century.

In your situation, that lifetime sub is going to waste.
That's true. Right now my unit isn't even showing the lifetime subscription. I've got a feeling that's because it's not the original image, it's the InstantCaked one. I've got a feeling this would/will correct if I successfully connect with TiVo. I'm working on getting the cables and what-not to connect via serial.

For now, though, "Daily Call Required" nags aside, the box is up and running. Got the input switched over to the A/V (composite) line-ins, as that's all my OTA set-top box supports, and I can record and playback manually. That's good enough for now.
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Mothership has to tell box about lifetime.

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That's true. Right now my unit isn't even showing the lifetime subscription. I've got a feeling that's because it's not the original image, it's the InstantCaked one. I've got a feeling this would/will correct if I successfully connect with TiVo. I'm working on getting the cables and what-not to connect via serial.

For now, though, "Daily Call Required" nags aside, the box is up and running. Got the input switched over to the A/V (composite) line-ins, as that's all my OTA set-top box supports, and I can record and playback manually. That's good enough for now.

The box finds out what its account status is everytime it connects to TiVo to download listings and the right time and stuff.

Which means that if it isn't lifetime and you don't keep up the payments there will come a day (or overnight) when it connects and finds out it's not supposed to work anymore (although apparently true "Instant
Boat Anchor Mode" didn't come along until Series 2).
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:41 PM   #12
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For those who *do* have a landline...

This probably won't help the OP unless he knows a way to make his broadband pretend to be an internal telephone-type modem, but for the benefit of others who may find this thread---

If you have a Series 1 with a fried internal modem, and version 3 of the software, and you have a landline, and you don't have an external modem, but you do have a computer with a serial port and an internal modem, you can use a program called PilotNet

http://www.palmblvd.com/software/pc/...0-palm-pc.html

{EDIT: The above link isn't good anymore. As of January 20, 2012, this one works.

http://www.geocities.ws/daveinfopage/pnet2.zip

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which was written by a clever gentleman to let his Palm Pilot use his computer's modem via a serial port connection.

You hook up the Tivo via its serial port and the kind of 3 conductor mini-phoneplug to DB-9 plug cable that is used to let you telnet into your Tivo, and you adjust your Tivo's phone settings the same way as if you were going to use it with an external modem. Then Pilot Net lets you software-ly jumper from your serial port to your internal modem, and it also has a text window that let's you see the box and the mothership talk to each other, which is kind of interesting.
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Old 11-17-2010, 01:11 AM   #13
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Thanks for the feedback, guys. Before I did any of the upgrades, I checked the Sys Info, and it did indeed show a lifetime sub. When I can, I'll eventually get connected. For now, the system seems to be working fine.

Watching TV tonight has been fun. My wife missed the first 20 minutes of the Criminal Minds episode on ION TV, so we backed up and watched it from the beginning. I like the way this thing works!
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The camera cable and the TiVo serial cable are different.

The TiVo one has a male "DCE" plug.

The camera one has a female "DTE" plug. The one I have (from an old Polaroid brand Joycam) is wired such as it directly compatible with the TiVo, with no modification or adapters

A PC (or USB serial adapter) has a male "DCE" plug.
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The camera cable and the TiVo serial cable are different.

The TiVo one has a male "DCE" plug.

The camera one has a female "DTE" plug. The one I have (from an old Polaroid brand Joycam) is wired such as it directly compatible with the TiVo, with no modification or adapters

A PC (or USB serial adapter) has a male "DCE" plug.
Cool. I have a couple of those old Polaroid camera serial cables running around. I went out to my storage building a couple of days ago looking for them and couldn't find them, though. Once I get a connection established with my network, I'll do a lot of other little hacks that have been posted around the net, such as the 30-second "commercial skip" hack.

Once we get settled in our house (we're in a borrowed living space while we prepare our land and trailer), I'll probably subscribe to DirecTV again, if they still offer a non-HD package. (I have a 75" projected image, but the projector isn't an HD unit, and with my eyesight, I don't really care whether I have HD or not. OTOH, it may be sort of like the Tivo was when I first got it set up. Once I experience it, I may think, "How did I ever live without this?")
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Hello, I have problems with my HDR112, it will be great if somebody help me with an image with the GS already done.
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Guided setup for where?

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You do know that guided setup is basically telling the TiVo where it's going to be living, right? (which means it's best done at that location)

Exactly what sort of problems are you having?

Do you need to avoid using the internal modem and/or a local phone line?

Or is your hard drive dying, or what?
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The problem is because I don't have a normal phone connection right now at home, I was using it as a normal PVR and I did a mistake entering in the guided setup and I am now in a trap because i can not get out of this GS. Unfortunately I don't have the image I was using previous to this mistake. I just don't want to do something complex like the PPP connection.
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Got a turbonet?

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The problem is because I don't have a normal phone connection right now at home, I was using it as a normal PVR and I did a mistake entering in the guided setup and I am now in a trap because i can not get out of this GS. Unfortunately I don't have the image I was using previous to this mistake. I just don't want to do something complex like the PPP connection.
Can your series 1 talk to the internet in any way?

Do you have shows recorded that you want to save?
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I think i can modify the series 1 to talk to internet but it could be complex, i don't care about the shows saved in the machine.
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So you don't have a TiVo subscription?

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I think i can modify the series 1 to talk to internet but it could be complex, i don't care about the shows saved in the machine.
I'm getting the impression that you don't have a TiVo subscription or lifetime service, in which case you should never have gone into guided setup in the first place and you may be well and truly screwed, but let's see what we can do.


Do you happen to know what version of the software you had on there?
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turbonet card is the way to go when your modem is dead, I haven't had a phone line in my home in years
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Fix the modem in a Series 1??

[quote=switch998;8231174]Fixing the modem would probably be an easy task. It's probably a cold solder or bad component. I do electronics repair, so I'd be able to fix this in no time. If you'd like to go through with this option, send me a high res picture of both sides of the main PCB.

OMG, one can fix the modem?? Please tell me how! I now have TWO Series 1 boxes stuck in Guided Setup because the modems don't work.
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Fixing the modem would probably be an easy task. It's probably a cold solder or bad component. I do electronics repair, so I'd be able to fix this in no time. If you'd like to go through with this option, send me a high res picture of both sides of the main PCB.

OMG, one can fix the modem?? Please tell me how! I now have TWO Series 1 boxes stuck in Guided Setup because the modems don't work.
There used to be a guy called ElectricLegs who had replacement parts for the S1 internal modems and extra memory chips and I can give you an email address for him that worked a couple of years ago, but you could probably find an S1 with Lifetime and a working internal modem cheaper at this point.

If those S1s were used recently enough ago to have version 3 of the software, or if you were to find a way to put it on there (which we can discuss openly if needed), then it would be faster to cobble together the kind of cable that plugs into the serial jack on the back of the TiVo and into an external modem and then add a dial prefix of ,#319 on the phone setup page, or if you have a PC running Windows that has an internal modem and a regular serial port, not USB but the old 9 pin thing, there's a utility called PilotNet, originally intended for PalmPilots, that'll let you connect the serial port to the PC's internal modem so the TiVo can use it the same as it would use an external.

Do these S1s have the original hard drives still? How long has it been since they've been used? Any particular reason to use them instead of finding a couple of cheap S2s on Craigslist?

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Actually repairing the internal modem would take someone who can get the parts and is experienced at unsoldering and resoldering very small surface mount components.
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Do these S1s have the original hard drives still? How long has it been since they've been used? Any particular reason to use them instead of finding a couple of cheap S2s on Craigslist?
My reason for resurrecting these old units is that it drives me crazy that they're perfectly functional except for the modem, and the boneheaded GS menu won't let you back out of it! It's personal at this point.

I don't know what software they're running; they're both over 10 yrs old, original Philips Series 1. One has been used up to a month or so ago, and the other hasn't been used in well over a year. They both have the original hard drive, which was, I think, 20 hrs at Best Quality.

I don't have any computers with a 9-pin interface, but I might be able to get my hands on a modem. Loading Ver. 3 onto the hard drive sounds a little outside my comfort zone, but I'd be interested in seeing the instructions anyway, along with the details of the cable I'd need to cobble together.
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My reason for resurrecting these old units is that it drives me crazy that they're perfectly functional except for the modem, and the boneheaded GS menu won't let you back out of it! It's personal at this point.

I don't know what software they're running; they're both over 10 yrs old, original Philips Series 1. One has been used up to a month or so ago, and the other hasn't been used in well over a year. They both have the original hard drive, which was, I think, 20 hrs at Best Quality.

I don't have any computers with a 9-pin interface, but I might be able to get my hands on a modem. Loading Ver. 3 onto the hard drive sounds a little outside my comfort zone, but I'd be interested in seeing the instructions anyway, along with the details of the cable I'd need to cobble together.
If they were in contact with the TiVo servers as recently as in the past few years, they've been updated to ver. 3 already, so that shouldn't be a problem.

The way to get 3 onto the hard drive, if you aren't a TiVo server, is to restore a truncated image to that or some other hard drive, but, as I said, you should already have it, and have had it for several years now.

What part of the country are you in and what do you have for computers?

If you don't have any old enough to have an old RS-232 9 pin serial port, then you probably don't have anything old enough to have had an internal modem either, although you might have a motherboard with a 9 pin header to which you could attach a Berg connector-ribbon cable-D-shell combination. In other words, you may have on of those ports on the motherboard but not already brought out at the back panel.


You might want to see how cheap you could find a TurboNet card or CacheCard to install inside to let you set the prefix to ,#401 and just hook an Ethernet cable to your router instead.

If these were working not that long ago, how did you wind up in Guided Setup?
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If these were working not that long ago, how did you wind up in Guided Setup?
Really? You HAD to ask the embarrassing question? Ok, the first time, I was using my already modemless TiVo as a dumb DVR, when my mom called asking for help with her (identical) TiVo. So I went into GS to see what the screens said, in order to talk her thru the process over the phone. Didn't know I'd end up stuck there for life.

Years later (like, last month), my mom's TiVo also lost its modem, so she ditched the whole thing and went to AT&T U-verse. She gave me her old TiVo, and I just turned it on and found that it's in GS too! Thought I'd told her not to do that, but... she forgets stuff.
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Really? You HAD to ask the embarrassing question? Ok, the first time, I was using my already modemless TiVo as a dumb DVR, when my mom called asking for help with her (identical) TiVo. So I went into GS to see what the screens said, in order to talk her thru the process over the phone. Didn't know I'd end up stuck there for life.

Years later (like, last month), my mom's TiVo also lost its modem, so she ditched the whole thing and went to AT&T U-verse. She gave me her old TiVo, and I just turned it on and found that it's in GS too! Thought I'd told her not to do that, but... she forgets stuff.
How close is her place and does she have an old PC?
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Really? You HAD to ask the embarrassing question? Ok, the first time, I was using my already modemless TiVo as a dumb DVR, when my mom called asking for help with her (identical) TiVo. So I went into GS to see what the screens said, in order to talk her thru the process over the phone. Didn't know I'd end up stuck there for life.

Years later (like, last month), my mom's TiVo also lost its modem, so she ditched the whole thing and went to AT&T U-verse. She gave me her old TiVo, and I just turned it on and found that it's in GS too! Thought I'd told her not to do that, but... she forgets stuff.
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How close is her place and does she have an old PC?
I'm wondering if Guided Setup can be completed using serial PPP. I never tried that when I had S1's, just used PPP to download Guide Data. If it would work, then I know that a serial to USB adapter (connected to the Tivo serial cable) to do PPP will work. I've done it with a netbook connected wirelessly to the internet.
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I'm wondering if Guided Setup can be completed using serial PPP. I never tried that when I had S1's, just used PPP to download Guide Data. If it would work, then I know that a serial to USB adapter (connected to the Tivo serial cable) to do PPP will work. I've done it with a netbook connected wirelessly to the internet.
Serial to USB adapter on sale 'til 01/14/13

Free shipping

6 foot cable

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812156039


Promo code to get it down from $17.29 to $13.29

EMCNJNB52

Looking at the feedback, I don't think I've ever seen anything else on newegg get ratings qiute as good, with no 1 or 2 egg ratings at all.
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