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Old 11-08-2012, 12:53 PM   #1
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The island back story interested me more than the current day story. I have no idea what went on back then yet but hopefully they'll keep filling in parts.

I didn't care for any of the current day Oliver story lines in this episode. I let out a mental "Child, please" when Laurel said that she and Oliver can never be together again. She wants it. He wants it. Writers, please skip the endless episodes of angst.

Apparently, Starling City looks just like Philadelphia. That was Center City Philadelphia whenever they showed the aerial view of Starling City's skyline. I could see the office building I worked in for 20 years.
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It was smart of Oliver to intentionally get caught on camera so that he could "prove" his innocence of being the vigilante.

Apparently Oliver knows how to beat a lie detector. Did he learn that on the island, or in his misspent youth?

I'm not sure why he said he'd never been to the prison when he could have just said that he had, and then explained it was as a child (leaving out his recent visit, of course). Did he really forget about his childhood visit?
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:30 PM   #3
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Apparently Oliver knows how to beat a lie detector. Did he learn that on the island, or in his misspent youth?
I guess beating a lie detector is like picking a lock, hot wiring a car, guessing passwords and hacking into secured networks - everybody on tv can do it when they need to.
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I guess beating a lie detector is like picking a lock, hot wiring a car, guessing passwords and hacking into secured networks - everybody on tv can do it when they need to.
Don't be silly.

They have to study on the right deserted island.
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Old 11-08-2012, 02:19 PM   #5
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Still liking the show.
I liked that Oliver had a plan and at least some thought is going into the show.

Odd that Eddie Fyers was on the island.
I see that Deathstroke doesn't seem to be up to superhuman levels (yet) either.
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The island back story interested me more than the current day story. I have no idea what went on back then yet but hopefully they'll keep filling in parts.

I didn't care for any of the current day Oliver story lines in this episode. I let out a mental "Child, please" when Laurel said that she and Oliver can never be together again. She wants it. He wants it. Writers, please skip the endless episodes of angst.

Apparently, Starling City looks just like Philadelphia. That was Center City Philadelphia whenever they showed the aerial view of Starling City's skyline. I could see the office building I worked in for 20 years.
It's on the CW.

'nuff said.
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Does this show have the same writers as Smallville? It seems like they are following the same trends. The characters go out of their way to not call the "vigilante" by his "real" name. One powerful character does something shady, yet exceptionally grand, then another one does something exceedingly overt concerning that activity.
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:15 AM   #8
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Does this show have the same writers as Smallville? It seems like they are following the same trends. The characters go out of their way to not call the "vigilante" by his "real" name. One powerful character does something shady, yet exceptionally grand, then another one does something exceedingly overt concerning that activity.
I hate this too. The guy's name is Green Arrow so call him by it unless it's supposed to be a big reveal later on. The "Vigilante" and the "Hood" have gotten old already.
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I hate this too. The guy's name is Green Arrow so call him by it unless it's supposed to be a big reveal later on. The "Vigilante" and the "Hood" have gotten old already.
Neither of which is as stupid as "The Red-Blue Blue."
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I hate this too. The guy's name is Green Arrow so call him by it unless it's supposed to be a big reveal later on. The "Vigilante" and the "Hood" have gotten old already.
I'm confused.
Are you talking about this guy?



This guy?



or this guy?





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Neither of which is as stupid as "The Red-Blue Blue."
Man, he's really blue.
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Neither of which is as stupid as "The Red-Blue Blue."
Or "the Blur".
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The island back story interested me more than the current day story. I have no idea what went on back then yet but hopefully they'll keep filling in parts.

I didn't care for any of the current day Oliver story lines in this episode. I let out a mental "Child, please" when Laurel said that she and Oliver can never be together again. She wants it. He wants it. Writers, please skip the endless episodes of angst.

Apparently, Starling City looks just like Philadelphia. That was Center City Philadelphia whenever they showed the aerial view of Starling City's skyline. I could see the office building I worked in for 20 years.
Most of the shots are Baltimore.
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Don't be silly.

They have to study on the right deserted island.
Spoiler alert! The way to beat the polygraph is to clench your anal sphincter before you answer. You're welcome.
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Apparently Oliver knows how to beat a lie detector. Did he learn that on the island, or in his misspent youth?
They showed that he learned it on the island. When he was first captured he was a terrible liar, remember? Now he's a good liar. Ergo, he learned how to lie on the island.
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They showed that he learned it on the island. When he was first captured he was a terrible liar, remember? Now he's a good liar. Ergo, he learned how to lie on the island.
There is a big difference between convincing a person of a lie and beating a polygraph.
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Most of the shots are Baltimore.
Maybe it changes from week to week but this episode's aerial views were Philadelphia
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There is a big difference between convincing a person of a lie and beating a polygraph.
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Spoiler alert! The way to beat the polygraph is to clench your anal sphincter before you answer. You're welcome.
Of course now they have special seats covers that are supposedly able to detect that. Your best bet is to bite your tongue. Of course you have to know which questions to do that.
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I thought the real way to beat the polygraph was to start believing my own lies.


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There is a big difference between convincing a person of a lie and beating a polygraph.
He was a playboy drunk who was a terrible liar. It's inconceivable that he could have beat a polygraph before he went to the island.

Were he regularly beating polygraphs prior to his shipwreck he (a) wouldn't be such a terrible liar and (b) Capt Lance would never have trusted the polygraph and wouldn't have wasted his time to have one.

This really isn't that hard, no matter how much you try to split hairs.
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It's inconceivable that he could have beat a polygraph before he went to the island.
I can conceive of it. It really is not that hard to understand.
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Polygraphs are voodoo science and are not reliable. They are not scientific instruments. There's a reason they're not admissible in court. It's because they don't work.
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Polygraphs are voodoo science and are not reliable. They are not scientific instruments. There's a reason they're not admissible in court. It's because they don't work.
Technically, they are scientific instruments measuring galvanic skin response. It's the interpretation of those responses as an accurate measure of "lie-ability" that is its liability.

Back on topic, I get distracted by the idea that the ex-girlfriend cannot recognize Ollie's chiselled facial features and scruffy beard beneath the hood. Also, that the Arrow speaks in a slightly lower register seals the concealment of his identity.

Yet I am still actually enjoying this show. I also like the black green arrow as a partner to the white green arrow.
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I can conceive of it. It really is not that hard to understand.
Only if you are willing to discard all the character development and storytelling we've had so far. It is inconsistent with the data we have on Oliver Queen.

I can conceive of him being an all-powerful alien capable of destroying solar systems with a mere thought, but that doesn't mean it's consistent with the details the storytellers have given us so far.

It seems to me you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. You've made no effort whatsoever to explain your point. "Nuh uh!" is not a compelling argument. Neither is "is so!".
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It is inconsistent with the data we have on Oliver Queen.
Not really. The show has given us very little specifics about Oliver's life before the island. In general terms he was a party guy, heavy user of alcohol, and a womanizer. But that certainly does not mean he never did anything else. He is intelligent and rich. I can easily conceive of him paying someone to teach him how to beat a lie detector, perhaps to win a bet or in relation to some of his run ins with the law.

I'm surprised you needed an explanation for such a simple thing as this, since you previously wrote "this really isn't that hard...".

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I can easily conceive of him paying someone to teach him how to beat a lie detector,
Why pay anyone when the information can be found free on the internet.
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Why pay anyone when the information can be found free on the internet.
You also need to practice with a real polygraph, with someone who knows how to run it.
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You'd think Lt. Lang would ask how many arrows the "Vigilante" fired when he showed up while Oliver was being watched.

Funny how the victims of the the later attack had arrow wounds again.

What happened to Oliver's new body guard?
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Don't be silly.

They have to study on the right deserted island.
For a deserted island, there sure are a lot of people on it. I wonder why it took 5 years and a flaming arrow shot into a pile of wood to get someone to take him off the island. And with a guy as high-profile as Oliver Queen, wouldn't they go back and investigate the island? Maybe they did, and we haven't seen that episode yet.
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Not really. The show has given us very little specifics about Oliver's life before the island. In general terms he was a party guy, heavy user of alcohol, and a womanizer. But that certainly does not mean he never did anything else. He is intelligent and rich. I can easily conceive of him paying someone to teach him how to beat a lie detector, perhaps to win a bet or in relation to some of his run ins with the law.

I'm surprised you needed an explanation for such a simple thing as this, since you previously wrote "this really isn't that hard...".
Oh please. You are trying VERY hard to find some way to disagree with me. Fine. You disagree with me. I think you are wrong. You haven't given one shred of evidence for your position, while I've given you scenes from the show that support mine.

But you just WANT to disagree with me. So fine. You disagree. But your argument is far weaker than mine. So get over yourself.

The entire premise of the show is how being trapped on that island changed Oliver. The writers hit us over the head with it every single episode and not in a subtle way. If you seriously think they are going to have a major plot point be a skill he had BEFORE he went to the island, you don't understand writing.

But given that you have no purpose here other than to be annoying, contributing nothing to the discussion, welcome to ignore.
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