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Old 08-01-2013, 03:39 PM   #151
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Syfy today officially announced that they're picking up season 3 of "Continuum" for next year (probably to air on the same schedule as it did this year: spring in Canada, summer in the U.S.).
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:29 PM   #152
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One thing I like about it is they explore things that viewers have issues with. Sometimes just in a "patching things up" way (e.g., Keira's rather ridiculous status at the beginning of the show), but also in an ongoing engagement with the kinds of issues time travel shows usually just ignore (how does what she's doing affect the future/her past? Will she even have a home to return to?). Logically, her actions have wiped her world out of existence, and I like the way they keep teasing us with the possibility that this is actually what is happening.
I find it interesting that they keep showing flashbacks, which are actually flashforwards. Of course, this introduces quite a paradox, since everything she does in the past invariably would alter the flashforwards.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:36 PM   #153
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Syfy today officially announced that they're picking up season 3 of "Continuum" for next year (probably to air on the same schedule as it did this year: spring in Canada, summer in the U.S.).
Excellent!

I hope the writers use the time well to explore the intriguing issues they've raised. Not looking for resolution, just continued reasonably thought out conundrums.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:37 PM   #154
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I find it interesting that they keep showing flashbacks, which are actually flashforwards. Of course, this introduces quite a paradox, since everything she does in the past invariably would alter the flashforwards.
Not necessarily. Those are flashbacks for her. Even if the world changes, it's still her past. She just can't go back.

Kind of like if New York gets nuked, you can't go back, but you can remember the time you spent there. Only with time.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:39 PM   #155
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Syfy today officially announced that they're picking up season 3 of "Continuum" for next year
yea? :::clears throat, louder::: yea!

since i've already dumped defiance, the bridge, and expect to delete the sp to dome of the dumb any day now, i guess it's good news.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:32 AM   #156
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I'm talking about literally changing the past, like when
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she caught the serial killer much earlier in his career
(I'm not sure if that episode has aired in the US yet). Something like that should definitively wipe out her native timeline. In a normal time travel show, they would just ignore that possibility. Here, they talk about it. So whatever the solution ends up being (time heals itself, alternate futures, old future erased), they're at least thinking about the possibilities.

The "problem" is, we can't see the future, so we can't tell if it is the same as it was. It shouldn't be, but we don't know.
If you are referring to the serial killer targeting pedophiles, Syfy aired it about three weeks back.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:40 AM   #157
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If you are referring to the serial killer targeting pedophiles, Syfy aired it about three weeks back.
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Someone clear something up, in last episode near the end the camera zoom in on to the logo on the chip, why? Did the logo change?
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Old 08-04-2013, 04:08 AM   #159
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Someone clear something up, in last episode near the end the camera zoom in on to the logo on the chip, why? Did the logo change?
No, the logo didn't change. The point of the zoom is to reveal that's a Sadtech production facility. Alec becomes as much or more of a monster as his brother. Also, it reveals that what Kiera got taught in history class is a lie.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:04 AM   #160
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I'm liking the writers not going for the easy good vs evil trope. For most of the first season Kiera was 100% good guy and Liber8 was pure evil. Now we're gradually learning that it's much more shades of grey and that Liber8 could actually turn out to be mostly good guys, at least in terms of their agenda.

It reminds me of the best of Battlestar Galactica. When the humans were imprisoned by the Cylons (Season 3, "Occupation") some of them became suicide bombers. We were supposed to now cheer for suicide bombers when in the real world (2008, I think) we were supposed to think they were the scum of the earth.

Now for both BG and Continuum, one man's terrorist can be another man's freedom fighter.
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Now for both BG and Continuum, one man's terrorist can be another man's freedom fighter.
The difference being that blowing up Cylons is righteous, while Liber8 doesn't care about killing innocent people. Their anti-corporate agenda is misplaced as well, 2013 corporations aren't putting zombie chips in people's heads.

What's more interesting is that Liber8 apparently doesn't know that Sadtech did that, otherwise why don't they immediately execute Alec Sadler?
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... Their anti-corporate agenda is misplaced as well, 2013 corporations aren't putting zombie chips in people's heads....
That we are aware of.
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That we are aware of.
we'd know. there'd be a $4.95 monthly rental fee.
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But the chip would make us automatically pay it, and then wipe our memory of the transaction.
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Old 08-04-2013, 05:40 PM   #166
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The difference being that blowing up Cylons is righteous, while Liber8 doesn't care about killing innocent people. Their anti-corporate agenda is misplaced as well, 2013 corporations aren't putting zombie chips in people's heads.

What's more interesting is that Liber8 apparently doesn't know that Sadtech did that, otherwise why don't they immediately execute Alec Sadler?
Liber8 can't defeat the corporations in 2077. However, they may be able to change history and defeat them by creating anti-corporate terrorism in 2012. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Or, to work off Carlos' question about killing Hitler. What if the only way to kill Hitler before WWII was to blow up a building that held him and 100 innocent people? Would the end justify the means? 10 innocents? 1 innocent? 10000 innocents? Remember you may be saving millions of people.

Old Alec is the one who sent all of them back to 2012. Could it be that 2077 Alec realizes what a monster he created and is trying to fix it by setting Liber8 loose in the past?
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Liber8 can't defeat the corporations in 2077. However, they may be able to change history and defeat them by creating anti-corporate terrorism in 2012. You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Or, to work off Carlos' question about killing Hitler. What if the only way to kill Hitler before WWII was to blow up a building that held him and 100 innocent people? Would the end justify the means? 10 innocents? 1 innocent? 10000 innocents? Remember you may be saving millions of people.

Old Alec is the one who sent all of them back to 2012. Could it be that 2077 Alec realizes what a monster he created and is trying to fix it by setting Liber8 loose in the past?
Read a Sci-fi book where the main character killed Hitler and it made the world worse. To assume you will be saving millions of people of people is NOT positively true; you might just end up killing a different millions of people.

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Read a Sci-fi book where the main character killed Hitler and it made the world worse. To assume you will be saving millions of people of people is NOT positively true; you might just end up killing a different millions of people.

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"Might" is the operative word in that argument. We know what happened with Hitler (and Stalin and Pol Pot). Imagining that a replacement could have killed more is a VERY tiny probability. Pol Pot was basically insane. Is it really realistic to assume that an even crazier dictator could come to power in Cambodia?

If a cop sees suspect X is about to kill victim Y, does he hesitate to shoot because killing X *could* result in some historical disaster down the road? If you know the result of someone's actions, like Hitler or the 2077 corporations, then a reasonable argument can be made for taking whatever action is necessary to stop it.

The very fact of this debate is a sign of how good the writing is on Continuum.
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If a cop sees suspect X is about to kill victim Y, does he hesitate to shoot because killing X *could* result in some historical disaster down the road? If you know the result of someone's actions, like Hitler or the 2077 corporations, then a reasonable argument can be made for taking whatever action is necessary to stop it.
Not really (to the "whatever action is necessary" part). With the possible exception of "aware" human shields placed intentionally by the evil target, I'd not condone killing innocent people even if it would likely result in fewer deaths overall by killing an evil sonofabitch. The ends do NOT justify the means in most cases. If you start thinking that the ends usually do justify the means and that you have the right to make those kinds of life or death decisions for innocent people, then you are well on the road to being one of those evil tyrants who deserves to be killed.
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No, the logo didn't change. The point of the zoom is to reveal that's a Sadtech production facility. Alec becomes as much or more of a monster as his brother. Also, it reveals that what Kiera got taught in history class is a lie.
I sort of missed that part. What was the lie she was taught in history class?
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I sort of missed that part. What was the lie she was taught in history class?
Probably the part that Theseus butchered tens of thousands of factory workers. In reality, they were already brain dead zombie slaves, so he didn't as much kill them as euthenize them.

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I sort of missed that part. What was the lie she was taught in history class?
The lie left out that they were zombies and that they were enslaved via Alex's tech.

What was most interesting was the point that she may have created the monster Theseus. It was implied subtly but then they beat us over the head by having her say it. That's where they're leading us but I wouldn't be shocked by a misdirection.

What I like about this show as opposed to many is that the young characters are well drawn, well acted and real people unlike the vapid young adults on most TV shows.
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What I like about this show as opposed to many is that the young characters are well drawn, well acted and real people unlike the vapid young adults on most TV shows.
And both the characters and the philosophies are complex and multi-faceted...the bad guys often have good intentions, and the good guys often do bad things. And it's hard to tell sometimes which is which.

Plus people have situational allegiances...it's not just Group A & Group B; there's also Group C, plus people align with whoever depending on the needs of the moment.

For a show that superficially is your typical Vancouver light sci-fi, it has surprising depths.
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The rare thing I didn't like was the zombie factory scenario happening only 20 yrs from now. Such a discontinuity that I was jarred out of suspension of disbelief. I think the writers failed big time here. Lacked sociological credibility, way too soon for that much societal change to happen. In contrast, the 2077 corporate rules the world scenario has cred partly because it's so far from now. And as a engineering tech guy and economics degree guy it's really silly to world build a highly technical society where humans who need to be fed, etc. are assembling circuit chips something we're on the verge of completely automating today. No need for messy network slaves when the metal ones are cheaper, faster and more accurate down to nanometers.
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The rare thing I didn't like was the zombie factory scenario happening only 20 yrs from now. Such a discontinuity that I was jarred out of suspension of disbelief. I think the writers failed big time here. Lacked sociological credibility, way too soon for that much societal change to happen. In contrast, the 2077 corporate rules the world scenario has cred partly because it's so far from now. And as a engineering tech guy and economics degree guy it's really silly to world build a highly technical society where humans who need to be fed, etc. are assembling circuit chips something we're on the verge of completely automating today. No need for messy network slaves when the metal ones are cheaper, faster and more accurate down to nanometers.
That kind of threw me a bit as well. Why not just use robots? Unless it was more debtors prison, than factory. Then again we don't know what biological requirements the zombies needed. Maybe the chip provided for everything, which would explain why turning them off killed everyone.
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How does a chip provide nutrition for living organisms?
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I was wondering if someone could change the title of this thread to include SPOILERS. I'm currently caught up, so the discussion hasn't bothered me, but unless the forum guidelines have changed, I think the thread title could use a change to correctly reflect the specific episode conversations.
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For those on the fence, you can come back to this later after Syfy has ended their run, but the S2 finale really worked for me, I was impressed they had the guts to go there.
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I was wondering if someone could change the title of this thread to include SPOILERS. I'm currently caught up, so the discussion hasn't bothered me, but unless the forum guidelines have changed, I think the thread title could use a change to correctly reflect the specific episode conversations.
Right. It should also specify a season, presumably the latest one.
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