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Old 01-12-2013, 10:12 AM   #1
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Fringe - 1/11/13 - The Boy Must Live

It's all coming to an end, episodes 99 and 100 next week. I've loved this show from episode 1.

So, episode 98, I'm a bit confused. Why would the boy just walk off the train? I'm like, "Finally, some answers..." And he poofs. Looking forward to next week.
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:22 AM   #2
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We have decided to wait until we have the next two episodes before we watch this one.
Spoilers don't faze me and truth be told, if I am going to be disappointed I want to know about it beforehand
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Old 01-12-2013, 10:37 AM   #3
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That was so frustrating to have all the buildup of keeping the boy safe, and he just walks off the train into Windmark's hands!

The scene where the one observer was tapping his foot to the music was amusing.

I've already made a couple of clips where I've inserted different music into the scene.

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Old 01-12-2013, 12:15 PM   #4
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I've just watched the entire series from Episode 1. It really holds together as a long-assed movie. I was surprised.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:15 PM   #5
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So, episode 98, I'm a bit confused. Why would the boy just walk off the train? I'm like, "Finally, some answers..." And he poofs. Looking forward to next week.
My feeling? he's decided to sacrifice himself so the plan succeeds instead of letting Walter be the sacrifice.

However it is KILLING me that I will be on vacation for the finale, I won't see it until the 21st when I get back, I'll have to avoid some media if it's a great ending and folks are writing about it.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:23 PM   #6
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I thought the boy was going to try to get through to the nasty Observer who's after them. There is something wrong with him by Observer standards--maybe his more positive emotions can be brought out.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:41 PM   #7
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My feeling? he's decided to sacrifice himself so the plan succeeds instead of letting Walter be the sacrifice.
That was my thought too.

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However it is KILLING me that I will be on vacation for the finale, I won't see it until the 21st when I get back, I'll have to avoid some media if it's a great ending and folks are writing about it.

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Can someone please clarify something for me? There were several references to Walter not remembering things because they were in a different time line. I was under the impression they simply "ambered" themselves and awoke 21 or so years later. I don't recall how Walter (or everyone) ended up in a "different time line". Thanks.
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I'm only 12 mins in and peeked in to this thread to see if anyone had the same reaction I had to seeing Robin Williams as "the commander"
A hairless Robin Williams, now that's a makeup job!

Update: Ok, looking around more it seems that it's James Kidnie, not Robin Williams.


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I'm only 12 mins in and peeked in to this thread to see if anyone had the same reaction I had to seeing Robin Williams as "the commander"
A hairless Robin Williams, now that's a makeup job!

Update: Ok, looking around more it seems that it's James Kidnie, not Robin Williams.
I thought it might have been Robin Williams at first, too - until he started talking.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:39 PM   #11
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Can someone please clarify something for me? There were several references to Walter not remembering things because they were in a different time line. I was under the impression they simply "ambered" themselves and awoke 21 or so years later. I don't recall how Walter (or everyone) ended up in a "different time line". Thanks.
There used to be two timelines. Then, Peter created a new one by merging the old ones (in the Big Machine). What Walter is now remembering is his (and Peter's) life in the original timeline (which no longer exists, but in which the first few seasons of the show took place).
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Wow, where was I when they explained that? So are you saying that what happened in the "alternate universe" is now being referred to as a different timeline? Or were there two timelines in the one universe? And thanks Rob.
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Fringe has been my favorite network show the past 5 years, but man it is slow moving. This episode seemed to crawl. But the arc is tying together nicely.

Wasn't the previous timeline before the boring group of last season?
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Hubby & I thought 'Robin Williams' too until he started talking. Kinda jarring.
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Wasn't the previous timeline before the boring group of last season?
I'm embarrassed to admit I don't remember anything about last season. So if that was the other timeline to which they are referring I guess that's why I'm lost
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My feeling? he's decided to sacrifice himself so the plan succeeds instead of letting Walter be the sacrifice.

However it is KILLING me that I will be on vacation for the finale, I won't see it until the 21st when I get back, I'll have to avoid some media if it's a great ending and folks are writing about it.
I was thinking he gave himself up to get the observers off the others' trail so they can go build their time-machine so they can go back to some other point and get him back? That's probably not it though.
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Wow, where was I when they explained that? So are you saying that what happened in the "alternate universe" is now being referred to as a different timeline? Or were there two timelines in the one universe? And thanks Rob.
Up until the Great Machine went off, there were two time-lines/universes. After, there was one, and it was not the same as either of the original two. (For one thing, Peter was no longer alive, although the Power Of Love brought him back later.) So nothing that happened before the Great Machine went off actually happened. And it's that stuff that used to happen but now didn't that Walter is now remembering.

From Walter's perspective, Peter died as a child, then was miraculously resurrected during Season 4. Now, he is remembering their relationship in the first three seasons (which never happened in the new reality after the Great Machine).
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I'm embarrassed to admit I don't remember anything about last season. So if that was the other timeline to which they are referring I guess that's why I'm lost
They are still in the same timeline as last season, only further in the future. (Which I suppose would have still been true to some degree even if they hadn't been ambered. )

The other timeline was basically seasons 1 - 3. The Season 4 and 5 Walter was a different Walter (not to be confused with Walternate), and until the end of the previous episode, he had no memories about the events from seasons 1 - 3.
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Up until the Great Machine went off, there were two time-lines/universes. After, there was one, and it was not the same as either of the original two.
Even though they were joined, I would still consider the two universes to be different universes rather than everything as one big meta-verse, particularly since they ended up severing the connection later.

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It will be interesting to see what happened to the future of the other universe, and how it fits into the bigger picture. It looked like Fauxlivia hadn't aged either, so either Olivia jumps back in time when going to that universe, or Fauxlivia gets ambered herself, perhaps fighting the Observers over there.

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Up until the Great Machine went off, there were two time-lines/universes. After, there was one, and it was not the same as either of the original two. (For one thing, Peter was no longer alive, although the Power Of Love brought him back later.) So nothing that happened before the Great Machine went off actually happened. And it's that stuff that used to happen but now didn't that Walter is now remembering.

From Walter's perspective, Peter died as a child, then was miraculously resurrected during Season 4. Now, he is remembering their relationship in the first three seasons (which never happened in the new reality after the Great Machine).
Ahhh yes - I had completely forgotten all that (perhaps with some subconscious intent ). And I'd also forgotten that once the timelines / universes merged (and Peter stepped out of the shower), everything previously hadn't happened.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain and remind me. Appreciate it.
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I'm embarrassed to admit I don't remember anything about last season. So if that was the other timeline to which they are referring I guess that's why I'm lost
No. The original timeline was the first three seasons. Then Peter did his thing and disappeared from existence. The next season (last season) started without Peter -- he never existed. But then he came back (still no idea how or, better question -- from where) and still, nobody believed him, because for them he never existed. Slowly Olivia and Walter started remembering things. The child Observer made Walter remember even more.

Of course the term "remember" doesn't really apply, as Walter (in this timeline) never lived through those experiences.
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There used to be two timelines. Then, Peter created a new one by merging the old ones (in the Big Machine). What Walter is now remembering is his (and Peter's) life in the original timeline (which no longer exists, but in which the first few seasons of the show took place).
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Wow, where was I when they explained that?
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I like Fringe and am loving it now but somewhere in the middle I got really confused and only half watched it.

I thought Walter was having all these memory issues because of that episode where Windmark did whatever he was doing to his brain?

Might I say - Michael Cerversis was totally amazing in this episode.
I've known him forever from his NY Broadway theater work.
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No. The original timeline was the first three seasons. Then Peter did his thing and disappeared from existence. The next season (last season) started without Peter -- he never existed. But then he came back (still no idea how or, better question -- from where) and still, nobody believed him, because for them he never existed. Slowly Olivia and Walter started remembering things. The child Observer made Walter remember even more.

Of course the term "remember" doesn't really apply, as Walter (in this timeline) never lived through those experiences.
Great recap - and now I do indeed remember everything (at least everything that has happened in my timeline ). Thanks for all the help
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Heh- the timelines and merging is where I started sort of zoning out on the show, too.
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So are there still 2 parallel universes?

They thought that if they go back and eliminate the Observers (who we found out were humans? yes?) then their daughter might still be alive in the resulting timeline. If September wasn't there to save Peter in the lake, would he even be in the resulting timeline, much less Etta? So very confused at this point.....
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Robin Williams? Never even crossed my mind.

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Robin Williams? Never even crossed my mind.

Once again, I'm amazed at the resemblances some see.
For a split second I actually thought Kelsey Grammer.
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So, Windmark goes back in time to September's apartment and finds out that September just left, no more than an hour ago. So why not go back in time an hour? Seems easier than setting up a gigantic grid search and a bunch of roadblocks.

It was nice of September to put a nice, bright flashing LED on his bomb to warn Windmark so that he would not get disintegrated.

I had the same concern as stellie93. If they change time so that the Observers never exist, why do they think that will get Etta back? Even if Peter is still alive in the new timeline, he may never meet Olivia without the Observers, whose meddling (indirectly) helped bring the two of them together.

I'm not sure why people think Michael is sacrificing himself so that Walter does not have to. The whole plan was to send Michael forward to a certain time. Michael cannot sacrifice himself before he goes forward in time.

If Michael is so smart, why is he incapable of communicating with speech or writing? It seems to me that Michael is not a very impressive specimen. He is in his 30's, right? And after all that time living with humans, he still has not learned ordinary communication skills? Showing him to the people who invented the Observers may not impress them, and they may go on to create the Observers anyway.
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I really liked the explanation they gave of how the observers came to be.
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