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Old 12-17-2012, 09:54 AM   #31
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There's a reason why someone like Abi stuck around, despite being annoying, and it was because the game play dictated that.
Yeah, but it also dictated that she should have been in the final three...

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:56 AM   #32
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Agreed, it made no sense to keep Abi around and then cut her loose before the final 3.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:06 AM   #33
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Yeah, but it also dictated that she should have been in the final three...
I agree, and if I was playing, she'd have been in the final three. I think in THIS case, they probably couldn't get a definitive censuses on which of the "core four" to vote out. Abi just seemed like the easiest way to go and then deal with it at the next TC.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:07 AM   #34
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Penner was a huge disappointment for me. I really liked him in the first two games, and I get that he's frustrated but come on, guy. Almost as distressing as calling Denise a "b" on national television and being petty about Lisa's career was the odd way he styled himself for the reunion. He looked better with his salt and pepper hair and a natural tan. Just the epitome of a man who is uncomfortable in his own skin, and that's sad because I don't think it was always the case. I wonder if he'll look back on the end of this season with pride or have the good grace to be embarrassed.
He was a disappointment for me just at the very end with his final comments. But yes, he sure looked better with the salt and pepper hair and tan.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:12 AM   #35
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I would have been happy with any of the final three as the winner, but I am glad Denise won. I'd also like to thank CBS for not making us wait through a commercial on the Ponderosa clips this season.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:17 AM   #36
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I cannot for the life of me figure out why Malcolm did not take Denise up on her offer of an alliance to the final three. If he had and convinced Denise to vote for Lisa, he would have won the game. If Lisa and Skupin split their vote, it would have been Malcolm, Denise, and Skupin. If Lisa and Skupin voted for Malcolm as they did last night, there would have been a tie, and I'm pretty sure Malcolm could have beaten Lisa. As it was, Malcolm screwed himself out of a million dollars. If he'd have made it to the final three, he would have won hands down. For such a seemingly smart player, he made a big mistake at the end.
Did you watch the reunion show? Denise would have still won. Probst asked them.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:23 AM   #37
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I had been hoping Lisa would wil but I have to say I wasn't as disappointed as expected when Denise did. She did great job.

I had liked Penner but he was a dirtbag at the end, outing Lisa like that. I didn't expect that from him. What a cheap, vindictive, ugly move. And this after all the heartfelt talks and reassurance that he would protect her. Scum.

I was trying to remember who called Denise "bitchy". Was that Penner, too? Whoever it was, I didn't see any bitchiness unless it was edited out but even then you'd think someone else would have commented on it.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:26 AM   #38
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I hope Penner does an interview with someone and clarifies what that was all about. Probst says in his final Q&A that he wrote down on his note cards to ask Penner why he outed her like that and he totally blew it and forgot.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:27 AM   #39
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Agreed, it made no sense to keep Abi around and then cut her loose before the final 3.
Well they wanted to get rid of her but she won immunity then fooled them into thinking she had the immunity idol enough to avoid being voted off.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:43 AM   #40
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Man, I lost respect for Penner. I thought he had a better head on his shoulders than that.


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Whatever you think of Richard Hatch, I always think about when he got blindsided during one of the seasons and he said with a smile "I got bamboozled"!! I loved that. I think he realized it was a game. That's the attitude you should play with. Realize that no matter what you do to create your best game, there's someone else thinking the same thing. So, trust no one, and if you get voted out, realize that in most cases it wasn't personal, it was game play.
Exactly. And the funny thing is, Penner expressed much the same sentiment in many of his camera interviews during the game before he was voted out.

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I hope Penner does an interview with someone and clarifies what that was all about. Probst says in his final Q&A that he wrote down on his note cards to ask Penner why he outed her like that and he totally blew it and forgot.
Can't believe it was anything other than trying to sway the jury.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:24 AM   #41
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Penner was an actor (I guess he isn't anymore?). I remember he had one line on Seinfeld as "Zach", a co-worker of Elaine's. Maybe he's bitter his career never took off.
He was Fran Drescher's former fiance on The Nanny. I think he showed up twice.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:28 AM   #42
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He's got 39 actor credits on his IMDB page.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0672103/
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Looks like his last industry credit was 4 years ago. What has he been doing?
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:31 AM   #44
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I found it interesting that Denise during the reunion looked EXACTLY the same as she did on the island. I guess she's not one of those who "cleans up" well.
I must've watched a different show than you because I thought she looked much better than she did on the island.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:34 AM   #45
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Did you watch the reunion show? Denise would have still won. Probst asked them.
I did, but as someone said upthread, I don't believe what they say during the reunion show. Not that they are consciously lying, but being at tribal council is a lot different than having watched the episodes, having time to reflect, and sitting in a studio in CA.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:34 AM   #46
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:49 AM   #47
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What did Penner do 20 years ago? They alluded to it, but I have no idea. I like the show, but I'm not a reader of all the fan blogs. Watching the show and discussing it here is enough for me.
Lisa wasn't referring to something specific Penner had done, it was a general question she would have asked anyone. She was essentially asking why it was relevant what she did or who she was as a teenager, as opposed to who she is now. She mentioned the same thoughts earlier in the season.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:01 PM   #48
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Lisa wasn't referring to something specific Penner had done, it was a general question she would have asked anyone. She was essentially asking why it was relevant what she did or who she was as a teenager, as opposed to who she is now. She mentioned the same thoughts earlier in the season.
That's not how I saw it. I thought she was referring to something specific.
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Lisa wasn't referring to something specific Penner had done, it was a general question she would have asked anyone. She was essentially asking why it was relevant what she did or who she was as a teenager, as opposed to who she is now. She mentioned the same thoughts earlier in the season.
I thought it was pretty awesome how Lisa kept her poise during that exchange. But by that time she had pretty much gotten over caring if anyone knew or not.

And it looked by the reactions on the jury (to me at least) that nobody really cared all that much. I doubt it influenced the vote one way or the other much.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:26 PM   #50
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Lisa wasn't referring to something specific Penner had done, it was a general question she would have asked anyone. She was essentially asking why it was relevant what she did or who she was as a teenager, as opposed to who she is now. She mentioned the same thoughts earlier in the season.
That's how I saw it too. No one spent their time talking about their teenage years.

I'm still surprised that only Skupin and Penner recognized her. Must be an age thing.

I was hoping Probst spent more time grilling Abi during the reunion show.
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I was surprised Denise never recognized her. It started when she was 7 and ran for 10 years.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #52
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I thought it was pretty awesome how Lisa kept her poise during that exchange. But by that time she had pretty much gotten over caring if anyone knew or not.

And it looked by the reactions on the jury (to me at least) that nobody really cared all that much. I doubt it influenced the vote one way or the other much.
Apparently Lisa has little to no money left from Facts of Life and the residuals are de minimis. It's a lot different than Jeff Kent who made $67 million playing baseball.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:56 PM   #53
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Here is the list that I saw regarding the returning players for next season.

Spoiler:
Erik Reichenbach, Survivor Micronesia: Fans vs. Favorites
Corinne Kaplan, Survivor Gabon
Brenda Lowe, Survivor Nicaragua
Andrea Boehlke, Survivor Redemption Island
Francesca Hogi, Survivor Redemption Island
Phillip Sheppard, Survivor Redemption Island
John Cochran, Survivor South Pacific
Brandon Hantz, Survivor South Pacific
Dawn Meehan, Survivor South Pacific
Malcolm Freberg, Survivor Philippines

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Old 12-17-2012, 01:20 PM   #54
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I think Abi in that dress should have won the million dollars.
I thought RC looked amazing in the dress she wore at final TC.
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I wonder if Abi really did learn anything about herself or was she just saying that?
I read an interview with Abi a couple days ago. She certainly sounds like she realizes that she was a complete bitch on the show and understands why she was perceived that way.

http://www.hitfix.com/the-fien-print...or-philippines

She also says she tore her ACL getting off the boat at the very beginning of the season and that affected how she acted the rest of the time as well, as she was in constant pain.
[quote=Steveknj;9430963]What did Penner do 20 years ago? They alluded to it, but I have no idea. I like the show, but I'm not a reader of all the fan blogs. Watching the show and discussing it here is enough for me.
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That's not how I saw it. I thought she was referring to something specific.
No, Lisa's point was exactly what sallypnut said. She was trying to point out that what she did 25 years ago was totally irrelevant. Unfortunately, Penner was in such d-bag mode that he didn't even understand her point, and she was graceful enough to simply stay quiet rather than argue with him. She didn't even bother correcting the fact that he got the ages wrong of when she was on the show. Penner said she was on the show from ages 12-21, but in fact the show didn't start until Lisa was 16.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:40 PM   #55
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Here is the list that I saw regarding the returning players for next season.

Spoiler:
Erik Reichenbach, Survivor Micronesia: Fans vs. Favorites
Corinne Kaplan, Survivor Gabon
Brenda Lowe, Survivor Nicaragua
Andrea Boehlke, Survivor Redemption Island
Francesca Hogi, Survivor Redemption Island
Phillip Sheppard, Survivor Redemption Island
John Cochran, Survivor South Pacific
Brandon Hantz, Survivor South Pacific
Dawn Meehan, Survivor South Pacific
Malcolm Freberg, Survivor Philippines
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I wish there was no Phillip and Brandon, but I can deal with the rest. If they start getting on my nerves, I may not last the season. At least it's not the same cast of characters we've seen 2 or 3 times already.

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I thought RC looked amazing the whole time, until she opens her mouth.
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I thought RC looked amazing the whole time, until she opens her mouth.
This season had some of the most attractive woman in recent memory. With a couple of exceptions.
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This season had some of the most attractive woman in recent memory. With a couple of exceptions.
Speaking of that, I thought Katie was incredibly attractive on the island, but I didn't even recognize her during the reunion. Was that the same person?
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Here is the list that I saw regarding the returning players for next season.

Spoiler:
Erik Reichenbach, Survivor Micronesia: Fans vs. Favorites
Corinne Kaplan, Survivor Gabon
Brenda Lowe, Survivor Nicaragua
Andrea Boehlke, Survivor Redemption Island
Francesca Hogi, Survivor Redemption Island
Phillip Sheppard, Survivor Redemption Island
John Cochran, Survivor South Pacific
Brandon Hantz, Survivor South Pacific
Dawn Meehan, Survivor South Pacific
Malcolm Freberg, Survivor Philippines


There isn't anyone on that list I want to see again. Fan favorites? Not this fan.
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Which one was Katie? The one who laid a big smack on Jeff? If so, yeah, she didn't look like the same person to me either. But I didn't get too good a look at her during the reunion show.
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