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Old 11-20-2012, 03:34 PM   #1
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Revolution - "Kashmir" - OAD: 11/19/12

Rachel building a sophisticated bomb instead of her "amplifier" was quite a plot twist. I now wonder how much of the tech knowledge she revealed is accurate?

I thought they spent way too much time in the underground with everyone "seeing things".

And what are Grace and Randall up to? Maybe it will be revealed next week in the "winter" finale.

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Old 11-20-2012, 03:43 PM   #2
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...I thought they spent way too much time in the underground with everyone "seeing things"....
NEVER....when there's Zeppelin to listen to....
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:43 PM   #3
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I thought there was 1 episode before the break which would be until Feb?
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:02 PM   #4
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Rachel building a sophisticated bomb instead of her "amplifier" was quite a plot twist. I now wonder how much of the tech knowledge she revealed is accurate?...
I kept asking my wife what is Rachel's end game here? Surely she has to know that they will just kill her and her son not to mention how many other lives.....then it made sense.

I was NOT ready for her to stab that guy...WOW

We did get some good answers about the pendants except how it is turned on. I'm dying to know that.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:06 PM   #5
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Next week is the winter finale, I think that's what they are calling it now, then it will be off the schedule until late March.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:40 PM   #6
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I thought they spent way too much time in the underground with everyone "seeing things".
Did they explain why everyone was having these dreams? I think I might have dozed of a bit and maybe I missed any explaination.

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Old 11-20-2012, 04:44 PM   #7
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Did they explain why everyone was having these dreams? I think I might have dozed of a bit and maybe I missed any explaination.

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Lack of oxygen (due to the collapse of the tunnel). Seemed to me there should have been plenty still in there to last their trip, but...
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Er, next week isn't the season finale. There are another 12 episodes after the holidays.
OK, I stand corrected. Edited and fixed.

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Please tell me they picked up the 2 crossbows from the guards at the tunnel and PLEASE tell me that at least picked up that traitor's gun?!?
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I kept asking my wife what is Rachel's end game here? Surely she has to know that they will just kill her and her son not to mention how many other lives.....then it made sense.

I was NOT ready for her to stab that guy...WOW

We did get some good answers about the pendants except how it is turned on. I'm dying to know that.
But now that we've been shown Rachel was building a bomb, how do we know that any of the tech knowledge she gave out was entirely accurate?

Assuming that what she said is still correct, it looks like to me that an amulet that has enough energy in it to start a diesel generator (at the lighthouse) has plenty of power to run a vehicle.

We still don't know why the electricity is turned off in the first place. I think we will find that out from Grace and Randall next week.

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Well a lot of the stuff she actually demonstrated like the 8-10 foot range of the amulets.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:34 PM   #12
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So would you all say that this show is worthwhile to marathon my way through the season when it's over? I watched the first few eps, and have saved up each episode since.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:23 PM   #13
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Lack of oxygen (due to the collapse of the tunnel). Seemed to me there should have been plenty still in there to last their trip, but...
That's what I thought at first, but with no air circulation it makes sense that the air would begin to go stale.
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It wouldn't really have made a difference. The scene was playing in slow motion so there was probably less than a second before the time the guy got show and he fired. Not enough time for Charlie to do anything.

Charlie was just very lucky considering the guy could hit that girl all the way down the tunnel less then a second after stepping around a corner (basically blind shooting), yet he couldn't hit Charlie at near point blank range. He had just been shot with a crossbow bolt, but still.

I was busy wondering what Mile was busy doing when the guy had his back to Miles while shooting at the girl.
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That's what I thought at first, but with no air circulation it makes sense that the air would begin to go stale.
Yeah, but in old science fiction stories (written by people who did their homework) involving air running out in space ships, areas a lot smaller than a subway tunnel lasted a lot longer than it would take to, well, walk through a subway tunnel.

I don't know the math and physics of it, but I would be extremely surprised if there would be enough oxygen deprivation in that kind of volume in that short a time to have that kind of effect.
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I was busy wondering what Miles was busy doing when the guy had his back to Miles while shooting at the girl.
Or even before...when I was a kid my Dad taught me how to disarm anybody who was stupid enough to put a gun in your back, and his military training probably was a lot less extreme than Miles'.

I believe the distance you have to be to be able to shoot somebody before they can get to you is over ten feet.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:37 PM   #17
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Yeah, but in old science fiction stories (written by people who did their homework) involving air running out in space ships, areas a lot smaller than a subway tunnel lasted a lot longer than it would take to, well, walk through a subway tunnel.

I don't know the math and physics of it, but I would be extremely surprised if there would be enough oxygen deprivation in that kind of volume in that short a time to have that kind of effect.
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When Rachel was 'splainin' the amplifier, she mentioned it was effective up to a half mile. Min take off roll for an F-16 is about 1,500 ft or so. What do they do then, get out and push? And it falls out of the sky after 2640 feet?

Unless Monroe's jets and choppers are gonna fly in tight circles, this amplifier ain't worth squat.

And, Liz Mitchell is hardcore, man.
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When Rachel was 'splainin' the amplifier, she mentioned it was effective up to a half mile. Min take off roll for an F-16 is about 1,500 ft or so. What do they do then, get out and push? And it falls out of the sky after 2640 feet?

Unless Monroe's jets and choppers are gonna fly in tight circles, this amplifier ain't worth squat.

And, Liz Mitchell is hardcore, man.
You put the amplifier IN the airplane, truck, or helicopter. Then, you can go anywhere you want.

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Lack of oxygen (due to the collapse of the tunnel). Seemed to me there should have been plenty still in there to last their trip, but...
Yes... I was complaining about this the entire episode to my SO. I was like, "This is stupid. I can accept magic pendants that turn the power on, but I cannot believe that they have been walking through train tunnels for seemingly HOURS and yet there is not enough air in them after they collapsed one end of it to last them until they get out?!"
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Yeah, but in old science fiction stories (written by people who did their homework) involving air running out in space ships, areas a lot smaller than a subway tunnel lasted a lot longer than it would take to, well, walk through a subway tunnel.

I don't know the math and physics of it, but I would be extremely surprised if there would be enough oxygen deprivation in that kind of volume in that short a time to have that kind of effect.
Like I said, it's not the lack of air in the tunnels (there's a lot of air), it's the lack of air circulation. On a space ship, the air can be circulated throughout the ship. In a tunnel, the oxygen in an area will start to deplete and carbon dioxide will build up. It doesn't matter if there's plenty of oxygen at one end of the tunnel, if the people are at the other end.

I will say though, that the hallucinations started way to early. If the brain was that starved of oxygen, they wouldn't be able to keep walking another hour or two.

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Plus, they didn't just stay at one end of the tunnel. They were moving constantly.

There had to be a ton of air down there, literally.
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You put the amplifier IN the airplane, truck, or helicopter. Then, you can go anywhere you want.

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Yeah, that could work. But since they only have one, it's gonna be a small air force.

Unless they have an assembly line that we don't know about.
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The oxygen depletion thing was hard to buy. They could have gone with any of a variety of toxic gases or even non-toxic gases displacing oxygen.
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Lack of oxygen (due to the collapse of the tunnel). Seemed to me there should have been plenty still in there to last their trip, but...
Yea that was silly. In an area with that much volume there is no way the oxygen supply would run out that quickly and people would start to hallucinate. It's like they colluded with the writers of Last Resort for this ep.
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Like I said, it's not the lack of air in the tunnels (that's a lot of air), it's the lack of air circulation.
I would agree with you if they were standing still. They were moving through the tunnel, leaving their CO2 behind them and moving into another part of the tunnel with fresh air. The whole thing was silly..
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I don't care how stupid this ep was...I loved me some Zeppelin.
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How do you make a mine that doesn't require electricity? How does that actuator work?

And once they started hallucinating they should've been hypoxic within minutes and dead within minutes after that.

Least favorite episode so far, except for the Elizabeth Mitchell sequence.
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How do you make a mine that doesn't require electricity? How does that actuator work?
Don't mines work just like a bullet? The pressure of stepping on it triggers the explosion just like a firing pin hitting a bullet, right?
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This was a good episode for using the 30 second skip button. I watched it in about 15 minutes and I don't think (or care) that I missed anything important. Since nothing on this show makes any sense, it doesn't really matter anyway.
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